Sky Judge, the NFL & the Cowboys

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The AAF has a Sky Judge. They also broadcast discussions by the Refs.

I think a similar but more advanced concept would help the NFL and the Cowboys.

My concept of Sky Judge for the NFL is to have 3 people at the NFL review headquarters reviewing the game both in real time and then continuing to review replays between the end of a play and the next snap of the ball. The Sky Judge would not stop play unless it found a problem with the on-field refs penalty call or if Sky Cam determined a penalty should have been call that wasn't.

The Sky Judge concept can be a great improvement if implemented correctly.

There are many methods that could keep the Sky Judge from extending games.

1.
The current review process including challenges would be replaced with Sky Judge.

The current review process stops play even when the review agrees with the on-field call.

Sky Judge would not need to stop play in those situations. It would only stop play if it was over-turning the on-field call.

Sky Judge must call the stop of play before the next snap. Since Sky Judge is watching in real time it should easily be able to see at least 1 replay even if the offense does a quick snap. Even without the replay the 3 people that make up Sky Cam all saw the play in real time.

Sky Judge would only call additional penalties on things like holding if the penalty was a "major" penalty and only if it affected the play. A hold on the opposite side of the field from a run would not be called because it didn't really affect the play.

2.
Keep the on-field refs focused on penalties that affect the play during the play and leave the after the play issues to Sky Judge. For example leave late hits or defenseless receiver hits for Sky Cam to call. Let Sky Judge determine if a QB is in or out of the pocket when he throws a ball away.

3.
Have the on-field refs error on the side of conserving time. Example: Call any sideline catches that are not obvious in terms of in bounds or out of bounds as in bounds. If it's out of bounds then Sky Judge can call it out up until the next snap.

4.
Limit the on-field refs on Special Teams penalties. There are a large number of penalties called on returns but many are bogus. All of the bogus ones would go away saving the time required to call those and re-spot the ball, etc..

5.
Have wireless earbuds/mics for all on-field refs.

Have Sky Judge "in their ear" for constant communication.

Advanced Sky Judge concepts
An advanced Sky Cam concept would be to have Sky Judge make note of minor infractions and only call a penalty if the same player had another minor infraction. This allows dirty players to still be penalized but prevents stopping play because a player committed 1 minor infraction that didn't affect the play.

Example: A player shoves another player after the whistle. No need to call a penalty on a player that only had 1 of these types of infractions.

The players that committed the minor infractions once without being penalized can be fined by the league.

It's silly to waste time on relatively minor infractions that don't affect the play. Fines are a good penalty that does not stop play.


Other
There could be a Sky Judge spotter working with the on-field refs. The spotter would just review each spot as it happens and tell the on-field ref he needs to move it forward or backwards by some amount.

This works in conjunction with eliminating challenges.

Technology would allow the Sky Judge spotter to verify 1st downs without ever needing to measure with the chains.


Refs Union
The Refs would adamantly oppose the Sky Judge concept as I've defined it.

The reason it's being done in the AAF but not in the NFL is likely due to the politics of the NFL Refs Union.

The NFL might even have encouraged the AAF to implement Sky Judge.

The NFL can pay multiple remote reviewers for the cost of 1 on-field ref. The Sky Judge reviewers can work multiple games per week instead of 1 for the on-field refs.

If Sky Judge were implemented and refined it could eventually result in less on-field refs required for a game.
 

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The AAF has a Sky Judge. They also broadcast discussions by the Refs.

I think a similar but more advanced concept would help the NFL and the Cowboys.

My concept of Sky Judge for the NFL is to have 3 people at the NFL review headquarters reviewing the game both in real time and then continuing to review replays between the end of a play and the next snap of the ball. The Sky Judge would not stop play unless it found a problem with the on-field refs penalty call or if Sky Cam determined a penalty should have been call that wasn't.

The Sky Judge concept can be a great improvement if implemented correctly.

There are many methods that could keep the Sky Judge from extending games.

1.
The current review process including challenges would be replaced with Sky Judge.

The current review process stops play even when the review agrees with the on-field call.

Sky Judge would not need to stop play in those situations. It would only stop play if it was over-turning the on-field call.

Sky Judge must call the stop of play before the next snap. Since Sky Judge is watching in real time it should easily be able to see at least 1 replay even if the offense does a quick snap. Even without the replay the 3 people that make up Sky Cam all saw the play in real time.

Sky Judge would only call additional penalties on things like holding if the penalty was a "major" penalty and only if it affected the play. A hold on the opposite side of the field from a run would not be called because it didn't really affect the play.

2.
Keep the on-field refs focused on penalties that affect the play during the play and leave the after the play issues to Sky Judge. For example leave late hits or defenseless receiver hits for Sky Cam to call. Let Sky Judge determine if a QB is in or out of the pocket when he throws a ball away.

3.
Have the on-field refs error on the side of conserving time. Example: Call any sideline catches that are not obvious in terms of in bounds or out of bounds as in bounds. If it's out of bounds then Sky Judge can call it out up until the next snap.

4.
Limit the on-field refs on Special Teams penalties. There are a large number of penalties called on returns but many are bogus. All of the bogus ones would go away saving the time required to call those and re-spot the ball, etc..

5.
Have wireless earbuds/mics for all on-field refs.

Have Sky Judge "in their ear" for constant communication.

Advanced Sky Judge concepts
An advanced Sky Cam concept would be to have Sky Judge make note of minor infractions and only call a penalty if the same player had another minor infraction. This allows dirty players to still be penalized but prevents stopping play because a player committed 1 minor infraction that didn't affect the play.

Example: A player shoves another player after the whistle. No need to call a penalty on a player that only had 1 of these types of infractions.

The players that committed the minor infractions once without being penalized can be fined by the league.

It's silly to waste time on relatively minor infractions that don't affect the play. Fines are a good penalty that does not stop play.


Other
There could be a Sky Judge spotter working with the on-field refs. The spotter would just review each spot as it happens and tell the on-field ref he needs to move it forward or backwards by some amount.

This works in conjunction with eliminating challenges.

Technology would allow the Sky Judge spotter to verify 1st downs without ever needing to measure with the chains.


Refs Union
The Refs would adamantly oppose the Sky Judge concept as I've defined it.

The reason it's being done in the AAF but not in the NFL is likely due to the politics of the NFL Refs Union.

The NFL might even have encouraged the AAF to implement Sky Judge.

The NFL can pay multiple remote reviewers for the cost of 1 on-field ref. The Sky Judge reviewers can work multiple games per week instead of 1 for the on-field refs.

If Sky Judge were implemented and refined it could eventually result in less on-field refs required for a game.
 

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The last thing the NFL needs are more rules and more human mistakes. They defiantly don't need a sky judge calling penalties that weren't called.
 

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More stoppages and more penalties from the Sky Judge?

Just what the NFL needs.
 

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The AAF has a Sky Judge. They also broadcast discussions by the Refs.

I think a similar but more advanced concept would help the NFL and the Cowboys.

My concept of Sky Judge for the NFL is to have 3 people at the NFL review headquarters reviewing the game both in real time and then continuing to review replays between the end of a play and the next snap of the ball. The Sky Judge would not stop play unless it found a problem with the on-field refs penalty call or if Sky Cam determined a penalty should have been call that wasn't.

The Sky Judge concept can be a great improvement if implemented correctly.

There are many methods that could keep the Sky Judge from extending games.

1.
The current review process including challenges would be replaced with Sky Judge.

The current review process stops play even when the review agrees with the on-field call.

Sky Judge would not need to stop play in those situations. It would only stop play if it was over-turning the on-field call.

Sky Judge must call the stop of play before the next snap. Since Sky Judge is watching in real time it should easily be able to see at least 1 replay even if the offense does a quick snap. Even without the replay the 3 people that make up Sky Cam all saw the play in real time.

Sky Judge would only call additional penalties on things like holding if the penalty was a "major" penalty and only if it affected the play. A hold on the opposite side of the field from a run would not be called because it didn't really affect the play.

2.
Keep the on-field refs focused on penalties that affect the play during the play and leave the after the play issues to Sky Judge. For example leave late hits or defenseless receiver hits for Sky Cam to call. Let Sky Judge determine if a QB is in or out of the pocket when he throws a ball away.

3.
Have the on-field refs error on the side of conserving time. Example: Call any sideline catches that are not obvious in terms of in bounds or out of bounds as in bounds. If it's out of bounds then Sky Judge can call it out up until the next snap.

4.
Limit the on-field refs on Special Teams penalties. There are a large number of penalties called on returns but many are bogus. All of the bogus ones would go away saving the time required to call those and re-spot the ball, etc..

5.
Have wireless earbuds/mics for all on-field refs.

Have Sky Judge "in their ear" for constant communication.

Advanced Sky Judge concepts
An advanced Sky Cam concept would be to have Sky Judge make note of minor infractions and only call a penalty if the same player had another minor infraction. This allows dirty players to still be penalized but prevents stopping play because a player committed 1 minor infraction that didn't affect the play.

Example: A player shoves another player after the whistle. No need to call a penalty on a player that only had 1 of these types of infractions.

The players that committed the minor infractions once without being penalized can be fined by the league.

It's silly to waste time on relatively minor infractions that don't affect the play. Fines are a good penalty that does not stop play.


Other
There could be a Sky Judge spotter working with the on-field refs. The spotter would just review each spot as it happens and tell the on-field ref he needs to move it forward or backwards by some amount.

This works in conjunction with eliminating challenges.

Technology would allow the Sky Judge spotter to verify 1st downs without ever needing to measure with the chains.


Refs Union
The Refs would adamantly oppose the Sky Judge concept as I've defined it.

The reason it's being done in the AAF but not in the NFL is likely due to the politics of the NFL Refs Union.

The NFL might even have encouraged the AAF to implement Sky Judge.

The NFL can pay multiple remote reviewers for the cost of 1 on-field ref. The Sky Judge reviewers can work multiple games per week instead of 1 for the on-field refs.

If Sky Judge were implemented and refined it could eventually result in less on-field refs required for a game.
I don't think anyone who has commented so far even read your post. Good concept. +1.
 

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The AAF has a Sky Judge. They also broadcast discussions by the Refs.

I think a similar but more advanced concept would help the NFL and the Cowboys.

My concept of Sky Judge for the NFL is to have 3 people at the NFL review headquarters reviewing the game both in real time and then continuing to review replays between the end of a play and the next snap of the ball. The Sky Judge would not stop play unless it found a problem with the on-field refs penalty call or if Sky Cam determined a penalty should have been call that wasn't.

The Sky Judge concept can be a great improvement if implemented correctly.

There are many methods that could keep the Sky Judge from extending games.

1.
The current review process including challenges would be replaced with Sky Judge.

The current review process stops play even when the review agrees with the on-field call.

Sky Judge would not need to stop play in those situations. It would only stop play if it was over-turning the on-field call.

Sky Judge must call the stop of play before the next snap. Since Sky Judge is watching in real time it should easily be able to see at least 1 replay even if the offense does a quick snap. Even without the replay the 3 people that make up Sky Cam all saw the play in real time.

Sky Judge would only call additional penalties on things like holding if the penalty was a "major" penalty and only if it affected the play. A hold on the opposite side of the field from a run would not be called because it didn't really affect the play.

2.
Keep the on-field refs focused on penalties that affect the play during the play and leave the after the play issues to Sky Judge. For example leave late hits or defenseless receiver hits for Sky Cam to call. Let Sky Judge determine if a QB is in or out of the pocket when he throws a ball away.

3.
Have the on-field refs error on the side of conserving time. Example: Call any sideline catches that are not obvious in terms of in bounds or out of bounds as in bounds. If it's out of bounds then Sky Judge can call it out up until the next snap.

4.
Limit the on-field refs on Special Teams penalties. There are a large number of penalties called on returns but many are bogus. All of the bogus ones would go away saving the time required to call those and re-spot the ball, etc..

5.
Have wireless earbuds/mics for all on-field refs.

Have Sky Judge "in their ear" for constant communication.

Advanced Sky Judge concepts
An advanced Sky Cam concept would be to have Sky Judge make note of minor infractions and only call a penalty if the same player had another minor infraction. This allows dirty players to still be penalized but prevents stopping play because a player committed 1 minor infraction that didn't affect the play.

Example: A player shoves another player after the whistle. No need to call a penalty on a player that only had 1 of these types of infractions.

The players that committed the minor infractions once without being penalized can be fined by the league.

It's silly to waste time on relatively minor infractions that don't affect the play. Fines are a good penalty that does not stop play.


Other
There could be a Sky Judge spotter working with the on-field refs. The spotter would just review each spot as it happens and tell the on-field ref he needs to move it forward or backwards by some amount.

This works in conjunction with eliminating challenges.

Technology would allow the Sky Judge spotter to verify 1st downs without ever needing to measure with the chains.


Refs Union
The Refs would adamantly oppose the Sky Judge concept as I've defined it.

The reason it's being done in the AAF but not in the NFL is likely due to the politics of the NFL Refs Union.

The NFL might even have encouraged the AAF to implement Sky Judge.

The NFL can pay multiple remote reviewers for the cost of 1 on-field ref. The Sky Judge reviewers can work multiple games per week instead of 1 for the on-field refs.

If Sky Judge were implemented and refined it could eventually result in less on-field refs required for a game.
A view from above can come in handy, but it isnt the perfect view, like seeing goaline scores, you can see better from the side than from above.
same for out of bounds on sidelines. Not everthing can be seen clearly from above or any other ONE angle.
 

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A view from above can come in handy, but it isnt the perfect view, like seeing goaline scores, you can see better from the side than from above.
same for out of bounds on sidelines. Not everthing can be seen clearly from above or any other ONE angle.

Sky Judge (as I defined it) is not a single camera (That's a Sky Cam).

The Sky Judge concept is about people watching the video being an active part of the officiating process instead of just reviewing specific plays.

They would have all camera angles available.

The most critical issue is to allow "video refs" to call penalties or over-turn penalties without making the games longer.

Fans at home and the commentators often see a replay between the end of a play and the next snap.

Often everybody but the refs can clearly see if a penalty should be called or not or see if a receiver was really in bounds. This often happens just during the time between plays without stopping the game.

I can often rewind the DVR multiple times to review a play before the next snap.

The current officiating and replay process is archaic despite the fact that the technology to modernize the process is already in place.

The NFL already has a central review center with all camera angles in high-def in place but the process they use does not take advantage of the technology.

It's like giving an architect super computers and the best computer monitors in the world but forcing him to use a pencil and paper.

The architect is only allowed to use the technology for 5 minutes per day and the start of that 5 minute period is random every day and unknown ahead of time.
 

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The AAF has a Sky Judge. They also broadcast discussions by the Refs.

I think a similar but more advanced concept would help the NFL and the Cowboys.

My concept of Sky Judge for the NFL is to have 3 people at the NFL review headquarters reviewing the game both in real time and then continuing to review replays between the end of a play and the next snap of the ball. The Sky Judge would not stop play unless it found a problem with the on-field refs penalty call or if Sky Cam determined a penalty should have been call that wasn't.

The Sky Judge concept can be a great improvement if implemented correctly.

There are many methods that could keep the Sky Judge from extending games.
IMO it would take a 3 hr game to a 4 hr game with so many stoppages taking away the flow of the game
1.
The current review process including challenges would be replaced with Sky Judge.

The current review process stops play even when the review agrees with the on-field call.

Sky Judge would not need to stop play in those situations. It would only stop play if it was over-turning the on-field call.

Sky Judge must call the stop of play before the next snap. Since Sky Judge is watching in real time it should easily be able to see at least 1 replay even if the offense does a quick snap. Even without the replay the 3 people that make up Sky Cam all saw the play in real time.

Sky Judge would only call additional penalties on things like holding if the penalty was a "major" penalty and only if it affected the play. A hold on the opposite side of the field from a run would not be called because it didn't really affect the play.
Again that would cause to many delays and TBH you could call holding on almost every play
2.
Keep the on-field refs focused on penalties that affect the play during the play and leave the after the play issues to Sky Judge. For example leave late hits or defenseless receiver hits for Sky Cam to call. Let Sky Judge determine if a QB is in or out of the pocket when he throws a ball away.
That might work
3.
Have the on-field refs error on the side of conserving time. Example: Call any sideline catches that are not obvious in terms of in bounds or out of bounds as in bounds. If it's out of bounds then Sky Judge can call it out up until the next snap.
Maybe as long as we are not stopping the game to look at every sideline catch
4.
Limit the on-field refs on Special Teams penalties. There are a large number of penalties called on returns but many are bogus. All of the bogus ones would go away saving the time required to call those and re-spot the ball, etc..

5.
Have wireless earbuds/mics for all on-field refs.

Have Sky Judge "in their ear" for constant communication.

Advanced Sky Judge concepts
An advanced Sky Cam concept would be to have Sky Judge make note of minor infractions and only call a penalty if the same player had another minor infraction. This allows dirty players to still be penalized but prevents stopping play because a player committed 1 minor infraction that didn't affect the play.

Example: A player shoves another player after the whistle. No need to call a penalty on a player that only had 1 of these types of infractions.

The players that committed the minor infractions once without being penalized can be fined by the league.

It's silly to waste time on relatively minor infractions that don't affect the play. Fines are a good penalty that does not stop play.


Other
There could be a Sky Judge spotter working with the on-field refs. The spotter would just review each spot as it happens and tell the on-field ref he needs to move it forward or backwards by some amount.

This works in conjunction with eliminating challenges.
I think Teams should be allowed to challenge when they fell they need to
Technology would allow the Sky Judge spotter to verify 1st downs without ever needing to measure with the chains.


Refs Union
The Refs would adamantly oppose the Sky Judge concept as I've defined it.

The reason it's being done in the AAF but not in the NFL is likely due to the politics of the NFL Refs Union.

The NFL might even have encouraged the AAF to implement Sky Judge.

The NFL can pay multiple remote reviewers for the cost of 1 on-field ref. The Sky Judge reviewers can work multiple games per week instead of 1 for the on-field refs.

If Sky Judge were implemented and refined it could eventually result in less on-field refs required for a game.
I could see an extra set of eyes in playoff games
 

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It must happen soon, the current state of officiating is the worst I've ever seen. I would also change rules on subjective calls like holding calls.

Holding happens on every play and is the #1 drive killer, the penalty should be changed, should be able to be challenged. 5 yd penalty and loss of down is plenty for a true hold, If it's an opposite side infraction, maybe just a 5 yd penalty without loss of down or sky judge doesn't even call it all as you stated

Defensive holding should not be an automatic 1st down. They are controlling games with holding calls, don't like it.
 

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I don't want to hear refs and judge judy holding court at the 50 yard line during the game. I want less penalties, less stoppages, less reviews, and more dancing cheerleader camera shots on my TV screen. And not the twinkie cheerleader from New orleans.
 

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Will it be able to see someone holding our defenders?

I’m sorry but going more than 6 games without a holding call called against the other team is unacceptable especially when we get flagged for farting
 

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You'll end up with 3 people that won't have time to stop the clock because they all would've seen it differently. By the time they finish their sky judge conference huddle 4 plays will have passed.
 

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IMO the better option would be to just let them play. This whole catch definition is 80% of the reason games are longer. These meetings officials are having after plays to even determine if a penalty should be called because of them having to discuss if a foul has occured. Letting them play would solve all their problems with this.
 

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I don't want to hear refs and judge judy holding court at the 50 yard line during the game. I want less penalties, less stoppages, less reviews, and more dancing cheerleader camera shots on my TV screen. And not the twinkie cheerleader from New orleans.

i doubt we ll ever go back to that.
 
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