Smaller, quicker MLB's vs. Bradie and Akin

[hendog]

I just can't count on Burnett to be an every down lb. That guys gets nicked up more than a razor blade cutting concrete.

Hopefully Carpenter can get a fair shot. He may or may not have skills, but as a first round player, you got to at least get him on the field in "real" game situations and see what happens. It's time to let the kid play. He did a decent job on special teams, maybe he can do a decent job on the defense.


BBQ

I still don't buy the answer of him not playing because he performed poorly in our last preseason game when he had a hurt quad. Surely we don't base everything on our preseason. Look at what we looked like against Houston. Those results had me worried.

 

[superpunk]

I still don't buy the answer of him not playing because he performed poorly in our last preseason game when he had a hurt quad. Surely we don't base everything on our preseason. Look at what we looked like against Houston. Those results had me worried.

Why would Wade lie about that? He admitted he might have put too much importance on one game - but after that, I doubt Bobby was getting many starters snaps in practice. Then Wade said he'd get alot of time against Washington, and that never happened.

 

[BBQ101]

I still don't buy the answer of him not playing because he performed poorly in our last preseason game when he had a hurt quad. Surely we don't base everything on our preseason. Look at what we looked like against Houston. Those results had me worried.

All I can go on is what was said by Wade and he basically indicated that maybe Carp didn't get a fair shot from the coaches. I think we should just put him were Akin is and see what happens.

Why are people not all over Akin by the way? 57 tackles for the year by a 3-4 LB? No sacks, no forced fumbles? Color me unimpressed. Is that even a JAG?

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[Mr Cowboy]

All I can go on is what was said by Wade and he basically indicated that maybe Carp didn't get a fair shot from the coaches. I think we should just put him were Akin is and see what happens.

Why are people not all over Akin by the way? 57 tackles for the year by a 3-4 LB? No sacks, no forced fumbles? Color me unimpressed. Is that even a JAG?

BBQ

And yet Carpenter couldn't over take him. What does that tell you. Do you really think that if Carpenter showed anything, in practice, games, ST, that would indicate that he was better than Akin, Wade wouldn't have played him.

Players lose their jobs and are replaced during the season all the time. The key to replacing an underachieving starter is that his replacement will do better. We obviosuly do not.

 

[BBQ101]

And yet Carpenter couldn't over take him. What does that tell you. Do you really think that if Carpenter showed anything, in practice, games, ST, that would indicate that he was better than Akin, Wade wouldn't have played him.

Players lose their jobs and are replaced during the season all the time. The key to replacing an underachieving starter is that his replacement will do better. We obviosuly do not.

Normally I would agree with you about Carp not showing anything, but this is from a Recap of a Wade Presser late in the year:

Why hasn’t Bobby Carpenter gotten more playing time? ​

Cause of us (coaches), we made the decision. I told them all, we don’t always make the right decisions. He’ll probably tall you this, in the last preseason game we gave a big opportunity and he didn’t play well. Maybe we put too much on that one game. He practices hard, does everything he’s supposed to do, he’s a good guy, a good athlete. Bradie James has been a part of it, too. Bradie is a good player who needs to be on the field and that’s inhibited Bobby. He’ll get some time this week, he’ll get a chance to show us.​

It seems to me that Wade is saying Carp didn't get a fair shot. Now he does mention James here, so maybe Carp wasn't even considered for Akin's position. To me however, after seeing the season Akin had, why not try something else? 57 tackeles from Akin? Come on, how much worse could it get?

We spent a 1st round choice on this guy and he has only seen decent playing time in one meaningful game (Seattle Playoff game). In that game, he did pretty well. Why havn't we seen more? Well, Wade basially said that was on the coaches, not Bobby. All I want is to see Carp get some meaningful playing time. If it doesn't work, then fine, we cut our losses and move on. At least lets see what the guy has got in a couple of games before we give up.

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[Mr Cowboy]

Normally I would agree with you about Carp not showing anything, but this is from a Recap of a Wade Presser late in the year:

Why hasn’t Bobby Carpenter gotten more playing time? ​

Cause of us (coaches), we made the decision. I told them all, we don’t always make the right decisions. He’ll probably tall you this, in the last preseason game we gave a big opportunity and he didn’t play well. Maybe we put too much on that one game. He practices hard, does everything he’s supposed to do, he’s a good guy, a good athlete. Bradie James has been a part of it, too. Bradie is a good player who needs to be on the field and that’s inhibited Bobby. He’ll get some time this week, he’ll get a chance to show us.​

It seems to me that Wade is saying Carp didn't get a fair shot. Now he does mention James here, so maybe Carp wasn't even considered for Akin's position. To me however, after seeing the season Akin had, why not try something else? 57 tackeles from Akin? Come on, how much worse could it get?

We spent a 1st round choice on this guy and he has only seen decent playing time in one meaningful game (Seattle Playoff game). In that game, he did pretty well. Why havn't we seen more? Well, Wade basially said that was on the coaches, not Bobby. All I want is to see Carp get some meaningful playing time. If it doesn't work, then fine, we cut our losses and move on. At least lets see what the guy has got in a couple of games before we give up.

BBQ

Right, the coaches are going to play who they like, not the best players. If Carp was one of the best players they had on defense, they would find playing time for him. We spent a first round pick on Spencer, one year after Carp, and he played in his first year. Does that tell you anything?

Maybe we put too much on that one game. He practices hard, does everything he’s supposed to do, he’s a good guy, a good athlete.

this to me pretty much says it all..........he practices hard, does everything, is a good guy and athlete, but.......................perhaps he is not very good!

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I think the thing that tells me the most about his lack of playing them, there, is that Wade made it clear he's Bradies back up. Now, since I'm not a coach, I don't know what the big difference is in the two ILB spots but obviously if he was Bradies backup, and not Akin, he wasn't going to get on the field over Brady.

Perhaps he'll get a shot in Akins spot this offseason and they'll see what he can do.

 

[khiladi]

I believe Wade was saying that when he came on board, Carpenter had a good shot at talking Bradie's spot, but Bradie just played really well. This means Carpenter got beat out by Bradie.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And yet Carpenter couldn't over take him. What does that tell you. Do you really think that if Carpenter showed anything, in practice, games, ST, that would indicate that he was better than Akin, Wade wouldn't have played him.

Players lose their jobs and are replaced during the season all the time. The key to replacing an underachieving starter is that his replacement will do better. We obviosuly do not.

And yet that never happened to one guy all season with us. You cannot tell me that Spears out played Bowen yet Bowen never started. Barber and Jones are another example of Wade keeping his rotation the same.

Bobby works too hard and has too much talent to not get on the field. He VERY easily could have pouted because he wasnt getting PT and slacked on ST. Instead he worked his tail off and became one of our better performers. After that I dont understand how pwoplw can not root for him. I cant help but root for him.

If he plays like he can then our MLB go from a liability to a strength overnight.

 

[theogt]

And yet that never happened to one guy all season with us. You cannot tell me that Spears out played Bowen yet Bowen never started. Barber and Jones are another example of Wade keeping his rotation the same.

Bobby works too hard and has too much talent to not get on the field. He VERY easily could have pouted because he wasnt getting PT and slacked on ST. Instead he worked his tail off and became one of our better performers. After that I dont understand how pwoplw can not root for him. I cant help but root for him.

If he plays like he can then our MLB go from a liability to a strength overnight.

Bowen didn't even back up Spears.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Right, the coaches are going to play who they like, not the best players. If Carp was one of the best players they had on defense, they would find playing time for him. We spent a first round pick on Spencer, one year after Carp, and he played in his first year. Does that tell you anything?

Yeah that he couldnt beat out Ellis.

James played very well last season in short zones and against the run. Carp couldnt beat him out.

This theory of yours that Phillips just mixes and matches starters during the season is hogwash. He doesnt do it.

 

[CF74]

At some point you gotta rotate the guy in there. We do it in every other position, why not ILB?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Bowen didn't even back up Spears.

fair enough. hatcher then. hatcher had about the same production in a lesser role yet Spears started.

Hatcher makes a stronger case actually now that I look at the stats. Bowen wasnt as productive as i thought he would be. He seemed to make plays last year consistently.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

At some point you gotta rotate the guy in there. We do it in every other position, why not ILB?

We kinda do as Akin and James come off the field in passing situations. Burnett is actually a crapppier pass defender then James or Ayodele which is ironic.

 

[theogt]

fair enough. hatcher then. hatcher had about the same production in a lesser role yet Spears started.

Hatcher makes a stronger case actually now that I look at the stats. Bowen wasnt as productive as i thought he would be. He seemed to make plays last year consistently.

Hatcher didn't outperform Spears at all. He was pretty disappointing for the most part.

 

[CF74]

We kinda do as Akin and James come off the field in passing situations. Burnett is actually a crapppier pass defender then James or Ayodele which is ironic.

I'm talking about Bobby getting some reps..

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hatcher didn't outperform Spears at all. He was pretty disappointing for the most part.

Look at the stats they are almost the same. Its not hard to match Spears production.

 

[theogt]

Look at the stats they are almost the same. Its not hard to match Spears production.

I watched the games.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I watched the games.

So did i Theo. Fact is stats are objective neither of us are. Hatcher had 3 less tackles and as many sacks in less playing time.

Those are facts. You have an overinflated sense of worth anyway and now that youve made up your mind on this youre not going to change it with any amount of evidence.

 

[theogt]

So did i Theo. Fact is stats are objective neither of us are. Hatcher had 3 less tackles and as many sacks in less playing time.

Those are facts. You have an overinflated sense of worth anyway and now that youve made up your mind on this youre not going to change it with any amount of evidence.

Yes, they're objective. But they're not an accurate portrayal of their play.