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Here comes a little old man's syndrome for you, lest you be warned.

I swear there was a time when players knew the rules. They understood the situation. They had a better grasp of risk/reward. It was a much rarer event when a player did something just point-blank stupid. And coaches ripped these guys into raw sinew when they did.

Somewhere in the 90s, it changed. Players started trying to scoop-and-score everything, often bobbling the ball and giving it back to the offense. Guys began getting into lulled into personal fouls after making a good play or a key 3rd-down stop. Celebrations and taunting became cool, no matter what it did to the team's situation as a result of the penalty. Late hits, unsportsmanlike penalties, untimely laterals, dropping the ball before entering the end zone, you name it.

The Cowboys have improved in this regard under Garrett, but there are still far too many instances of knucklehead plays. The NFL as a whole is a brain-dead exercise in futility, and it must drive coaches mad. So many games are lost because some goofball didn't understand the proper play to make, or not make.

Demarco Murray was a repeat offender. He'd swing the ball wildly in traffic just begging for a fumble. Even worse, he'd do so trying to get one more yard in a pile when he'd already gotten the first down. The Green Bay play was unforgiveable. He contributed heavily to the losses against San Francisco and Washington, and almost Houston, with sloppy fumbles in traffic when nothing more was there.

We saw it against Detriot in the playoffs when Demarcus Lawrence didn't just recover Matt Stafford's fumble to seal the game for good. That was the WORST time to scoop and score, and he almost gave the Lions the game. Earlier, Dekoda Watson roughed the punter in the end zone when Dallas was about to get the ball in great field position. And Dez was extremely lucky he didn't get called for going out on the field to talk to the referee on the pass interference call that was reversed against the defense.

Scandrick needs to be careful with his whoofing after plays, as does Wilcox and McClain. (This is way out of control in the NFL.) We all saw it. Celebrate with your teammates and go back to the huddle, and STOP MOUTHING AT THE OPPOSING SIDELINE. It's selfish and ugly to watch.

Even Dez, in that infamous play, has to understand that the catch itself was enough with plenty of time left. Secure that first and foremost. Truth be known, some extra time to kill before scoring could have been beneficial. Obviously, this one is nit-picking a bit, but I will say players used to consider these things more back in time.

I'm sure you can think of many more examples, but you get the point. Some teams do this kind of thing every series.

The Cowboys have high hopes, and they should. However, well over half the games in the NFL are decided by 7 points or less, and it's these kind of things that often determine that. It could be the difference between 13-3 and 9-7.

I'm proud to say the Cowboys seem to be joining the smarter teams in the league - like the Patriots, Steelers, and Packers - when it comes to this. That's good, and that trend must continue.

As Jimmy Johnson used to say, it's not the number of great plays you make. It's the number of mental mistakes you don't make.
 

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Good post, you are right, I think a lot of is these players got away with being super talented and could talk, and weren't used to being challenged by players on the field. You are right though the dumb plays for this team seem to be going down, even the customary witten false starts don't happen as frequently.
 

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Watch out, you criticized he who shall not be criticized. Duck.
 

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I've always thought it was quite amazing that Jimmy Johnson's teams were rarely penalized and rarely coughed up the ball. It had to be coach. I wonder why more teams can't do that.

Some plays are just inexcusable. Jumping off sides and a personal foul penalty where a player purposefully strikes another are among the inexcusable offenses, IMO.
 

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I see people on here blaming the past failures before last season on our defense.

I'd say game management and a team looking poorly coached that seemed like they invented ways to lose as more of the problem than the defense ever was.
 

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Green Bay and New England whoof more than any other teams in the NFL. lol especially green bay.
 

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Green Bay and New England whoof more than any other teams in the NFL. lol especially green bay.

Huh? No, they really don't. The worst are the Falcons, Raiders, Bengals, Bucs, Dolphins, and Jets. Off the top of my head.
 

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Smart always is the way to go. Everything else will follow suit.
 

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Huh? No, they really don't. The worst are the Falcons, Raiders, Bengals, Bucs, Dolphins, and Jets. Off the top of my head.

You see what you want to see, to fit the agenda that bad franchises have big talkers. Showboaters. Aaron Hernandez,Gronk,Spikes,Edelman,BRADY, Blount,etc. I wont even get on the Packers. Their whole starting defense past 5 years think they invented tough guy bravado.
 

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Murray killed us in that elimination game vs Philly in 2013 - the Kyle Orton game. Murray fumbled early in the game as the Cowboys were going in for a score and the offense was moving well with Orton.

I will not miss his carelessness with the football.

I completely forgot about that until now.
 

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You see what you want to see, to fit the agenda that bad franchises have big talkers. Showboaters. Aaron Hernandez,Gronk,Spikes,Edelman,BRADY, Blount,etc. I wont even get on the Packers. Their whole starting defense past 5 years think they invented tough guy bravado.

But they're not pushing the rules and taking stupid penalties. They are brilliant at making the play at hand, and not trying to do more than what's there.
 

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Here comes a little old man's syndrome for you, lest you be warned.

I swear there was a time when players knew the rules. They understood the situation. They had a better grasp of risk/reward. It was a much rarer event when a player did something just point-blank stupid. And coaches ripped these guys into raw sinew when they did.

Somewhere in the 90s, it changed. Players started trying to scoop-and-score everything, often bobbling the ball and giving it back to the offense. Guys began getting into lulled into personal fouls after making a good play or a key 3rd-down stop. Celebrations and taunting became cool, no matter what it did to the team's situation as a result of the penalty. Late hits, unsportsmanlike penalties, untimely laterals, dropping the ball before entering the end zone, you name it.

The Cowboys have improved in this regard under Garrett, but there are still far too many instances of knucklehead plays. The NFL as a whole is a brain-dead exercise in futility, and it must drive coaches mad. So many games are lost because some goofball didn't understand the proper play to make, or not make.

Demarco Murray was a repeat offender. He'd swing the ball wildly in traffic just begging for a fumble. Even worse, he'd do so trying to get one more yard in a pile when he'd already gotten the first down. The Green Bay play was unforgiveable. He contributed heavily to the losses against San Francisco and Washington, and almost Houston, with sloppy fumbles in traffic when nothing more was there.

We saw it against Detriot in the playoffs when Demarcus Lawrence didn't just recover Matt Stafford's fumble to seal the game for good. That was the WORST time to scoop and score, and he almost gave the Lions the game. Earlier, Dekoda Watson roughed the punter in the end zone when Dallas was about to get the ball in great field position. And Dez was extremely lucky he didn't get called for going out on the field to talk to the referee on the pass interference call that was reversed against the defense.

Scandrick needs to be careful with his whoofing after plays, as does Wilcox and McClain. (This is way out of control in the NFL.) We all saw it. Celebrate with your teammates and go back to the huddle, and STOP MOUTHING AT THE OPPOSING SIDELINE. It's selfish and ugly to watch.

Even Dez, in that infamous play, has to understand that the catch itself was enough with plenty of time left. Secure that first and foremost. Truth be known, some extra time to kill before scoring could have been beneficial. Obviously, this one is nit-picking a bit, but I will say players used to consider these things more back in time.

I'm sure you can think of many more examples, but you get the point. Some teams do this kind of thing every series.

The Cowboys have high hopes, and they should. However, well over half the games in the NFL are decided by 7 points or less, and it's these kind of things that often determine that. It could be the difference between 13-3 and 9-7.

I'm proud to say the Cowboys seem to be joining the smarter teams in the league - like the Patriots, Steelers, and Packers - when it comes to this. That's good, and that trend must continue.

As Jimmy Johnson used to say, it's not the number of great plays you make. It's the number of mental mistakes you don't make.
You could talk about smart play without referencing the old days.

I don't know if it was that much better in the old days across the league. The Cowboys under Landry were probably than most teams in this area because he would just bench guys that didn't follow his rules.

Marinelli has the players focus on trying to score when the get turnovers, so I can't put too much blame on Lawrence as a rookie making that mistake.

Dez on the other hand should never have been on the field with the defense. That was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.

Watson made a bad mistake. He should have known better considering that he is an experienced ST player.

I don't really recall any excessive "barking" by RoMc, Wilcox, etc..

One of the differences between now and the old days is the sub packages and rotations that results in a lot of snaps for backup players. I don't remember Randy White ever being off the field. More snaps for backups will result in more mistakes.

A similar issue is that free agency causes a lot of turn over of rosters. FA combined with the CBA that requires teams to get significant production from draft picks early causes more mistakes. You can't have a great team under the cap without significant contributions from players on their rookie contracts.
 

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Murray killed us in that elimination game vs Philly in 2013 - the Kyle Orton game. Murray fumbled early in the game as the Cowboys were going in for a score and the offense was moving well with Orton.

I will not miss his carelessness with the football.

That was a prime example.

Randle had better not be a fumbler.
 

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That was a prime example.

Randle had better not be a fumbler.

Problem is, I think he sort of is. At least looking at his limited carries last year. Not sure about the timing of them. The only one that's standing out to me right now is the big one early in the WAS game where he made the great play to the left sideline only to get it punched out at the last minute when the ball should not really have been exposed at that spot on the field. It ended up not really killing us, but it could have at the point in the game where he coughed it up.
 

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Problem is, I think he sort of is. At least looking at his limited carries last year. Not sure about the timing of them. The only one that's standing out to me right now is the big one early in the WAS game where he made the great play to the left sideline only to get it punched out at the last minute when the ball should not really have been exposed at that spot on the field. It ended up not really killing us, but it could have at the point in the game where he coughed it up.

Well, I'll give him one. I want to see him carry the ball in traffic. That's where it is irritating, and Murray was the worst.
 

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Fumble rates as a whole were way higher back in the day than they are now. For example Murray had 6 fumbles last year, double his previous high. Jim Brown never had a season with fewer than 6 fumbles, and he never came close to Murray's 392 carries (Brown maxed out at 305).

Also, go watch some old games. Defensive players would lay dudes out and stand over them taunting all the time. They just never got flagged for it, because taunting penalties are relatively new.
 

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Problem is, I think he sort of is. At least looking at his limited carries last year. Not sure about the timing of them. The only one that's standing out to me right now is the big one early in the WAS game where he made the great play to the left sideline only to get it punched out at the last minute when the ball should not really have been exposed at that spot on the field. It ended up not really killing us, but it could have at the point in the game where he coughed it up.

Murray had 3 or 4 like that, he was lucky he was along the sidelines when it gut punched out.
 
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