Snap Infraction

[streetcredit]

It cost us 10 yards...as Skins should have been penalized.
But Refs got together and said Garrett is too stupid to deserve a victory

 

[mmohican29]

Yes, and there was also an illegal block in the back against Washington that was not called on their long TD screen pass. It was ridiculous. Not even the announcers mentioned it, but the defenders hand was right in the middle of the numbers of our defender...I think it was Lee.

At the game I was stunned at the no call on that Bibbs TD. I saw it from club level and was like no way- no way.

Way.

Holy crap was that the most obvious BITB penalty of all time.

 

[DallasEast]

14 years and almost 2000 snaps, the man has literally played his position perfectly all that time and now there's a problem with his technique? I'm not buying it.

Either the Line Judge or Down Judge should have thrown the flag. Both are primarily responsible for watching the line of scrimmage penalties during special teams presnap plays. I would like to know what did either of them see since their first focus is the ball and the players second. Will either of them comment whether they saw Ladouceur do something out of his norm? Or was the flag thrown by ANOTHER official besides either of them?

 

[Colombiacowboy]

A bad call is a bad call and the refs and league should be held accountable for one that changes the complexion of a game, especially in the last seconds. If they never called it in his previous 2000 snaps why make that call now?

I am okay with the bad call. That is part of the game. What I am upset about is the fact they should have never been that far out in the first place.

I said this in an earlier post, but if this were Brady or Rodgers, they absolutely score a TD on that drive and win the game. No doubt about it. I think around 18 of the other 31 NFL teams in that same situation are looking for a TD. We get one big play and pack it in for a FG attempt. Although there is a lot of blame to go around for this loss, the majority falls on the shoulders of Garrett. The Cowboys should have never been in that spot for the long FG.

I feel the worst for Maher, as the kid has been pretty solid for us. They put him in a tough position with that swirling wind last night.

 

[foofighters]

Here we go.

My coaches said the same thing. However, my coaches said do not blame others for what you could have accomplished through greater effort and execution. None of them said or meant to be blind about something completely out of our control.

Coaches, including the best coaches, sometimes point out questionable calls also. Is that a contradiction or acknowledgement of something happening in a game outside their control?

Question, sure. However, there are far other reasons as to why we lost that game. We should never have been in that position anyway.

 

[Colombiacowboy]

At the game I was stunned at the no call on that Bibbs TD. I saw it from club level and was like no way- no way.

Way.

Holy crap was that the most obvious BITB penalty of all time.

It was obvious to anyone who has ever played the game. I am not sure how the refs missed it, but in fairness, they missed a few other calls that would have worked against us.

 

[bark]

So the refs muffed a call. It cost us five yards. Big deal. The kicker should have still made the kick. It was well within his range. He has a hook on all of his kicks and he just pulled it a little left.

The Cowboys never gave up even when they were down 10 points with 5 min to go. There are a lot of games left and there will be more questionable calls by the officiating crews. Got to deal with them and move on. The holding penalties hurt us badly.

Agree with the last part of your post but kicking on grass in a swirling wind tends to lessen your effective range. Maher makes that kick in Jerry world. That’s why the 5 yards hurt so bad in this situation

 

[DallasEast]

Another good thread getting twisted since blaming the officials for something they did wrong and not for the loss is a discussion taboo.

 

[Roadtrip635]

Either the Line Judge or Down Judge should have thrown the flag. Both are primarily responsible for watching the line of scrimmage penalties during special teams presnap plays. I would like to know what did either of them see since their first focus is the ball and the players second. Will either of them comment whether they saw Ladouceur do something out of his norm? Or was the flag thrown by ANOTHER official besides either of them?

On SNF, Dungy replayed that snap and then the next snap, exact same motion, timing etc. and there was no difference in LPs technique, they only difference was that the defender jumped off sides. If LP was doing something he shouldn't have, why not throw the flag again? They should have noticed it if there was was, it's not like a play in motion where 22 guys are moving around.

 

[DallasEast]

Agree with the last part of your post but kicking on grass in a swirling wind tends to lessen your effective range. Maher makes that kick in Jerry world. That’s why the 5 yards hurt so bad in this situation

I am not so certain Maher makes that kick in a done. Some kickers have a dintinct kicking routine. I could be wrong but Maher seems to hook about 50% of his kicks from right to left. Most likely that is why he prefers the left hashmark to kick from.

I think Nantz made a great observation that Maher kick would have been good from the original mark. The kick itself was long enough but the hook got the upright. Maher makes the same kick without plenty room to spare if he was closer. The wind was not as much of a factor in my opinion.

 

[DallasEast]

On SNF, Dungy replayed that snap and then the next snap, exact same motion, timing etc. and there was no difference in LPs technique, they only difference was that the defender jumped off sides. If LP was doing something he shouldn't have, why not throw the flag again? They should have noticed it if there was was, it's not like a play in motion where 22 guys are moving around.

Good question. My point exactly.

 

[Roadtrip635]

I am okay with the bad call. That is part of the game. What I am upset about is the fact they should have never been that far out in the first place.

I said this in an earlier post, but if this were Brady or Rodgers, they absolutely score a TD on that drive and win the game. No doubt about it. I think around 18 of the other 31 NFL teams in that same situation are looking for a TD. We get one big play and pack it in for a FG attempt. Although there is a lot of blame to go around for this loss, the majority falls on the shoulders of Garrett. The Cowboys should have never been in that spot for the long FG.

I feel the worst for Maher, as the kid has been pretty solid for us. They put him in a tough position with that swirling wind last night.

Bad calls are one thing during game action, but not a bad call pre-snap when no other action is happening on the field. It's one thing if it's a bang bang play or guy gets caught doing something or ticky tacky during game action, but not when literally nothing else is happening, pre-snap. Yes, there were other things that could have been different to make a score or at least a closer attempt, but it doesn't excuse the bad call that was made. especially in a situation with 3 seconds on the clock and no other action on the field.

 

[mmohican29]

Agree with the last part of your post but kicking on grass in a swirling wind tends to lessen your effective range. Maher makes that kick in Jerry world. That’s why the 5 yards hurt so bad in this situation

Exactly

And had the call gone against Washington, or even the flag gets picked up, he makes the kick with room to spare.

 

[Einstein]

I think the refs in the league are bad in general. I rarely if ever see where I feel there is a bias towards a team in a game, maybe a player, but not a team. Those two sentences being said I honestly felt the reffing crew was against Dallas this game. From the first flag that was a seemingly phantom call all the way until this bad call. We lost the game, but the refs certainly made it tougher on us.

 

[jsb357]

losers find ways to lose

 

[DallasEast]

Bad calls are one thing during game action, but not a bad call pre-snap when no other action is happening on the field. It's one thing if it's a bang bang play or guy gets caught doing something or ticky tacky during game action, but not when literally nothing else is happening, pre-snap. Yes, there were other things that could have been different to make a score or at least a closer attempt, but it doesn't excuse the bad call that was made. especially in a situation with 3 seconds on the clock and no other action on the field.

Glad for those focusing on the presnap scenario. If a discussion cannot be conducted about a presnap penalty involving few or no other active elements for officials’ interpretation, how can people honestly question many things occurring during any actual play when many variables are swirling around? Makes zero sense.

Some people’s tunnel vision of coaching and players miscues prevents seeing an actual problem that is highly likely unquestionable in origin.

 

[visionary]

Here we go.

My coaches said the same thing. However, my coaches said do not blame others for what you could have accomplished through greater effort and execution. None of them said or meant to be blind about something completely out of our control.

Coaches, including the best coaches, sometimes point out questionable calls also. Is that a contradiction or acknowledgement of something happening in a game outside their control?

I think it is sort of like players not being critical of coaches publicly even though they know they suck

A paradox

 

[cowboyec]

24hrs later has reinforced my original opinion...that it was....still is....and will forever remain a horse-**** call.

 

[TexasHillbilly]

Agree with the last part of your post but kicking on grass in a swirling wind tends to lessen your effective range. Maher makes that kick in Jerry world. That’s why the 5 yards hurt so bad in this situation

Either way you look at it, it was a tough loss. Who knows what would have happened in OT but we had the momen

24hrs later has reinforced my original opinion...that it was....still is....and will forever remain a horse-**** call.

I have to agree. It was crap. The guy did the exact same move on the next play and they didn't call it.

 

[glimmerman]

It was a terrible call. The guy jumped and should have been a 5 yarder against the deadskins. No excuse for that bad call. These calls should be reviewable in the last 2 minutes of a game. But JG has no business going for a FG at that point anyways. JG clock management and decisions are costing us games. IMO that’s 2 games this year.