So, is there a concensus view on Stewart?

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How would you rate him as a DC?

It's difficult to access given that Wade has played such a prominent role in running the defense.

On one hand, we did rank as a top 10 overall defense. And with a year's worth of experience behind him, Stewart should be better.

But of course, if Wade weren't involved in running the defense, who knows how successful we would be?

So would you rank Stewart as a likely middle-of-the-pack DC? Better than that, or worse?

I know, it's very difficult to quantify . . . .

It's more of a gut feel type of thing . . . .
 

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Well....I think this is Wade's defense, but for what it's worth I hated his play-calling in the red zone and critical situations....way to conservative for my taste.
 

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I dont think Jerry was too impressed with him.....

first he had guys (Hatcher) running without proper stretching and then the nail in the coffin was seeing the Giants score before half with a 70 plus yr drive in over 40 secs.

IMHO I think he is over his head.....wasnt too impressed in the work he did in SD as a DB coach.

Hopefully Wade will take full control of the Defence
 

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yes there is, scale of 1-10 2.5 at the most. he didnt really have the jason garret effect some thought he may have later in the season. i think he is just wades puppet to control the defense and didnt even do a good job at that. i really wanted capers in here man. not trying to play "fantasy gm" or some crap but that is a clear upgrade cmon
 

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The consensus among anyone with a brain is that there's no way to form a consensus. He didn't call the plays so there's no way of really knowing exactly how much of an impact he had. According to Wade he was necessary for helping teach Wade's system and techniques to the other coaches and players, so he does get some credit considering the defense improved dramatically over last season.
 

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Mash;1948830 said:
I dont think Jerry was too impressed with him.....

first he had guys (Hatcher) running without proper stretching and then the nail in the coffin was seeing the Giants score before half with a 70 plus yr drive in over 40 secs.

IMHO I think he is over his head.....wasnt too impressed in the work he did in SD as a DB coach.

Hopefully Wade will take full control of the Defence

Unfortunately, this is the feel that I'm getting as well.

I hope I'm completely wrong.
 

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It's kind of like asking who Norv Turner's offensive coordinator or Bill Belichick's defensive coordinator is. It doesn't really matter much, because the head coach is the one running things on that side of the ball.

But he is somehwat important in that Wade is comfortable with him and thinks he's good enough to do the job.

I think Stewart seems like a good, eager, young coach with some potential. Who knows how we he would run things completely on his own, though.
 

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theogt;1948908 said:
The consensus among anyone with a brain is that there's no way to form a consensus. He didn't call the plays so there's no way of really knowing how much of an impact he had. The defense improved considerably over last season, so he does get some credit.

Well, do you think highly of him or not?

Or you don't have an opinion one way or another due to insufficient information?
 

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Woods;1948913 said:
Well, do you think highly of him or not?

Or you don't have an opinion one way or another due to insufficient information?
The last option.
 

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Darned if i know. There really isn't a way to guage that sort of thing.
 

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Woods;1948775 said:
How would you rate him as a DC?

It's difficult to access given that Wade has played such a prominent role in running the defense.

On one hand, we did rank as a top 10 overall defense. And with a year's worth of experience behind him, Stewart should be better.

But of course, if Wade weren't involved in running the defense, who knows how successful we would be?

So would you rank Stewart as a likely middle-of-the-pack DC? Better than that, or worse?

I know, it's very difficult to quantify . . . .

It's more of a gut feel type of thing . . . .

I, personally, think Stewart is in over his head. We need an experienced hard nosed *COUGH CAPERS COUGH* former DC to get these guys all clicking together. That includes the esteemed Roy Williams.
 

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Chocolate Lab;1948910 said:
It's kind of like asking who Norv Turner's offensive coordinator or Bill Belichick's defensive coordinator is. It doesn't really matter much, because the head coach is the one running things on that side of the ball.

But he is somehwat important in that Wade is comfortable with him and thinks he's good enough to do the job.

I think Stewart seems like a good, eager, young coach with some potential. Who knows how we he would run things completely on his own, though.

I agree it's Wade's ship and i'm sure Wade believes in Stewart. So why bring in old vet coaches like Williams and Capers to interview? Is this just a "Jerry" thing or does Wade think Stewart could use some help?
 

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Big Dakota;1949097 said:
I agree it's Wade's ship and i'm sure Wade believes in Stewart. So why bring in old vet coaches like Williams and Capers to interview? Is this just a "Jerry" thing or does Wade think Stewart could use some help?

That's what's concerning me.

First, the talk about Capers, and then Williams.

Clearly, someone(s) at VRanch thinks we can do better.

I really don't believe this is ALL JJ. I can't believe that JJ would go completely behind Wade's back or at least without Wade agreeing to look at other potential DCs. Clearly, Wade would also be interviewing these guys, as would other people in management.
 

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Bleu Star;1948968 said:
I, personally, think Stewart is in over his head. We need an experienced hard nosed *COUGH CAPERS COUGH* former DC to get these guys all clicking together. That includes the esteemed Roy Williams.

I agree that Stewart was in a little over his head this past season, but it is hard to gauge him. It'd be nice to get some quotes from Cowboy defensive players or coaches about him. But it definitely is Wade's defense more than it is Stewarts...though hopefully Stewart grew some this past season.

Regardless, yea, I think anyone would take Capers over him in a heartbeat. But I'm not positive Wade and Capers would gel just right...don't know. I don't think Capers is coming here, but I still hope he does.
 

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CowboyManDan;1949118 said:
I agree that Stewart was in a little over his head this past season, but it is hard to gauge him. It'd be nice to get some quotes from Cowboy defensive players or coaches about him. But it definitely is Wade's defense more than it is Stewarts...though hopefully Stewart grew some this past season.

Regardless, yea, I think anyone would take Capers over him in a heartbeat. But I'm not positive Wade and Capers would gel just right...don't know. I don't think Capers is coming here, but I still hope he does.

I don't know if Capers is coming here either, but it seems that the Giants are set with Spags going back (so it seems).

I don't know if any other openings are available for the DC position in the NFL. I don't think so.

A consultant job may be his best alternative, unless Capers wants to sit out a year, which of course, may be a real alternative/preference for him.
 

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Woods;1949103 said:
That's what's concerning me.

First, the talk about Capers, and then Williams.

Clearly, someone(s) at VRanch thinks we can do better.

I really don't believe this is ALL JJ. I can't believe that JJ would go completely behind Wade's back or at least without Wade agreeing to look at other potential DCs. Clearly, Wade would also be interviewing these guys, as would other people in management.


That's the rub, and we SHOULD expect more from our defense. We have an *** load of high draft picks and high priced FAs on that side of the ball. And, until we signed Romo to a huge deal we were getting by on a pittance (compared to what other teams have invested in their O) on the offensive side of the ball. Hell if the defense doesn't allow that ONE 70 yard drive at the end of the half it's the Cowboys in the Super Bowl (I firmly believe that). I don't care if it's Jerry OR Wade looking for an upgrade, the fact is the defense let us down (again)! We SHOULD expect better. Now, I know that Crayton had a couple of bone-headed plays, along with Fasano, Romo, and Garrett. But, the fact of the matter is that those gaffes don't carry NEAR the weight if the defense stops a team with 40 seconds left and 70 yards to go.

We have the talent, something else needs to change.
 

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skinsscalper;1949438 said:
That's the rub, and we SHOULD expect more from our defense. We have an *** load of high draft picks and high priced FAs on that side of the ball. And, until we signed Romo to a huge deal we were getting by on a pittance (compared to what other teams have invested in their O) on the offensive side of the ball. Hell if the defense doesn't allow that ONE 70 yard drive at the end of the half it's the Cowboys in the Super Bowl (I firmly believe that). I don't care if it's Jerry OR Wade looking for an upgrade, the fact is the defense let us down (again)! We SHOULD expect better. Now, I know that Crayton had a couple of bone-headed plays, along with Fasano, Romo, and Garrett. But, the fact of the matter is that those gaffes don't carry NEAR the weight if the defense stops a team with 40 seconds left and 70 yards to go.

We have the talent, something else needs to change.

We dont have the talent in pass defense. We need help there and its very obvious.

Our LB still cant cover deep and our corners are injury prone and shallow.
 

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he's inexperienced

hopefully it comes for him

although I will repeat that I didn't like how his secondary performed down the stretch, and that's his area of expertise
 

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FuzzyLumpkins;1949443 said:
We dont have the talent in pass defense. We need help there and its very obvious.

Our LB still cant cover deep and our corners are injury prone and shallow.

I think that has a little bit to do with scheme. Howmany times did we seeour CBs 8-10 yards off the LOS. It wasn't just Reeves either.


I'd hardly call Newman injury prone, Fuzzy. Henry has shown that he has a hard time staying on the field. But, I don't think for a minute that Webster and Ross are a better CB tandem than Newman and Henry. They also don't play ten yards off the ball. The defense overall is very aggressive..........except when it comes to coverage. That's what baffles me. Play tight and FORCE the QBs to make a difficult decision rather than letting him dink and dunk all the way down the field. I'd rather give up two 40 yard passes than eight ten yarders that do nothing but wear out your defense and reach the ultimate goal anyway.

The LBs you have a point, but I think they can be coached up WAY better in coverage than they have (especially James and Ayodele). James actually looked very quick this year after dropping a few pounds I don't think he's beyond being coached into better coverage technique. Hell, if it weren't for Ellis having a phenomenal come back this season, I think it would be safe to say that James is the most improved player on that entire D. Ayodele needs to go. He doesn't give up a whole lot of plays, but he doesn't make any either. His veteran presence was needed when everyone on the LB corp was so young, but his spot needs to be infused with a little speed and playmaking ability. There's NO fire in that spot. Maybe Burnett can show up or (trying to keep a straight face) Carpenter. But, Ayodele was invisible this year, big time.
 
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