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Something hit me today: After that 3-0 start last season against the league’s worst teams, the Cowboys record has been 7-12. In other words this team hasn’t been that good for a long time, with two different head coaches. And also jumping out is this- over that same period of time, the turnover differential is a whopping -13. You can’t beat anyone in this league with that kind of TO differential.

Most quality GMs/FO would have seen that this team wasn’t “a couple of players away” from contention last year. This is the second year of an obvious decline.

This front office has a bad habit of chasing the fix to problems instead of seeing problems before they happen. An effective, proactive GM looks at his team with real scrutiny and says, “Which players have the most risk for decline?” Instead, Jerry thinks, “Which players can I best market?” Our GM is a great salesman. He could sell sand in the dessert. But he wouldn’t know a declining talent if it bit him in the backside. Because we have a bunch that are biting him right now.

I don’t know if this team is done or not. Technically, there’s still time to win this pathetic division. But I’m hoping our front office can see by now that this clearly a team in a talent decline. Cowboys fans need to wake up and smell the coffee and avoid the Jerry blue Koolaide. This team needs a big infusion of young talent that can only come with great drafts.

This team needs a new infusion of talent. Whatever anyone thought about the “window” of talent from drafts the last 8-10 years, that window has closed.

Can you say rebuild?
 
Something hit me today: After that 3-0 start last season against the league’s worst teams, the Cowboys record has been 7-12. In other words this team hasn’t been that good for a long time, with two different head coaches. And also jumping out is this- over that same period of time, the turnover differential is a whopping -13. You can’t beat anyone in this league with that kind of TO differential.

Most quality GMs/FO would have seen that this team wasn’t “a couple of players away” from contention last year. This is the second year of an obvious decline.

This front office has a bad habit of chasing the fix to problems instead of seeing problems before they happen. An effective, proactive GM looks at his team with real scrutiny and says, “Which players have the most risk for decline?” Instead, Jerry thinks, “Which players can I best market?” Our GM is a great salesman. He could sell sand in the dessert. But he wouldn’t know a declining talent if it bit him in the backside. Because we have a bunch that are biting him right now.

I don’t know if this team is done or not. Technically, there’s still time to win this pathetic division. But I’m hoping our front office can see by now that this clearly a team in a talent decline. Cowboys fans need to wake up and smell the coffee and avoid the Jerry blue Koolaide. This team needs a big infusion of young talent that can only come with great drafts.

This team needs a new infusion of talent. Whatever anyone thought about the “window” of talent from drafts the last 8-10 years, that window has closed.

Can you say rebuild?

True.
And then the annual Should we tank to get high picks posts follow. But now, whether intentional or not, I prefer a large influx of high draft round talent to begin this cycle anew as well.
Might not even change bottom line seasonal performance. But from the pure entertainment aspect of it at least it will be some fresh blood to watch.
 
Something hit me today: After that 3-0 start last season against the league’s worst teams, the Cowboys record has been 7-12. In other words this team hasn’t been that good for a long time, with two different head coaches. And also jumping out is this- over that same period of time, the turnover differential is a whopping -13. You can’t beat anyone in this league with that kind of TO differential.

Most quality GMs/FO would have seen that this team wasn’t “a couple of players away” from contention last year. This is the second year of an obvious decline.

This front office has a bad habit of chasing the fix to problems instead of seeing problems before they happen. An effective, proactive GM looks at his team with real scrutiny and says, “Which players have the most risk for decline?” Instead, Jerry thinks, “Which players can I best market?” Our GM is a great salesman. He could sell sand in the dessert. But he wouldn’t know a declining talent if it bit him in the backside. Because we have a bunch that are biting him right now.

I don’t know if this team is done or not. Technically, there’s still time to win this pathetic division. But I’m hoping our front office can see by now that this clearly a team in a talent decline. Cowboys fans need to wake up and smell the coffee and avoid the Jerry blue Koolaide. This team needs a big infusion of young talent that can only come with great drafts.

This team needs a new infusion of talent. Whatever anyone thought about the “window” of talent from drafts the last 8-10 years, that window has closed.

Can you say rebuild?

It certainly is. And worst of all, when the team can get out of terrible contracts after the 2021 season, some stalwarts that they've been relying on with be at or near the end of their usefulness as well.

If you're looking to dump bad contracts like Lawrence, Zeke, and/or Cooper, two years from now is the earliest.

Guys like Tyron Smith and Zack Martin - if either or both are even still here by then - will be needing replacing at that point as well.
 
Something hit me today: After that 3-0 start last season against the league’s worst teams, the Cowboys record has been 7-12. In other words this team hasn’t been that good for a long time, with two different head coaches. And also jumping out is this- over that same period of time, the turnover differential is a whopping -13. You can’t beat anyone in this league with that kind of TO differential.

Most quality GMs/FO would have seen that this team wasn’t “a couple of players away” from contention last year. This is the second year of an obvious decline.

This front office has a bad habit of chasing the fix to problems instead of seeing problems before they happen. An effective, proactive GM looks at his team with real scrutiny and says, “Which players have the most risk for decline?” Instead, Jerry thinks, “Which players can I best market?” Our GM is a great salesman. He could sell sand in the dessert. But he wouldn’t know a declining talent if it bit him in the backside. Because we have a bunch that are biting him right now.

I don’t know if this team is done or not. Technically, there’s still time to win this pathetic division. But I’m hoping our front office can see by now that this clearly a team in a talent decline. Cowboys fans need to wake up and smell the coffee and avoid the Jerry blue Koolaide. This team needs a big infusion of young talent that can only come with great drafts.

This team needs a new infusion of talent. Whatever anyone thought about the “window” of talent from drafts the last 8-10 years, that window has closed.

Can you say rebuild?

These type of articles are just dumb because they dont address actual reality and injuries.

Fact of the matter is the offense, when healthy is amazing. Its the defense that needs to complete rebuild. Which I dont think any one is denying.
 
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With so many of our first string injured, I think the biggest issue is getting quality backups, and decent backups to the backups.

If we were closer to full strength, I think things would look better...not great, but definitely better.
 
It is just such an odd year, and very hard to evaluate what is going on, with all the injuries and new coaches, and schemes.

But it is obvious better talent is needed, and smarter players as well.
It will take a while.
 
All comes down to what kind of GM one is. One GM sees what is missing and the other only what is there.

As we've seen more than once, the Joneses are very quick to try send the message they did their job. Booger did it just this week, implying the talent is there so management has done their job.

What they've done is the best they can do on a part-time basis and men who do not hold themselves accountable often rely on "we've done our best" and not accepting their best just isn't good enough.

But when one is rewarded the same for failure as success, what's the problem?
 
All comes down to what kind of GM one is. One GM sees what is missing and the other only what is there.

As we've seen more than once, the Joneses are very quick to try send the message they did their job. Booger did it just this week, implying the talent is there so management has done their job.

What they've done is the best they can do on a part-time basis and men who do not hold themselves accountable often rely on "we've done our best" and not accepting their best just isn't good enough.

But when one is rewarded the same for failure as success, what's the problem?

And it's actually detrimental that Jerry Jones is the biggest fan and Cowboys optimist that there is. He always sees things as better and brighter than they ever actually are. That's why we're always a "contender" and always just "a piece or two away". Never wholesale changes or rebuilds, but patches. Like pavement slapped over a run down street. Don't actually fix it and repave, just patch over it, again, and again, and again.
 
True.
And then the annual Should we tank to get high picks posts follow. But now, whether intentional or not, I prefer a large influx of high draft round talent to begin this cycle anew as well.
Might not even change bottom line seasonal performance. But from the pure entertainment aspect of it at least it will be some fresh blood to watch.
I’m never a fan of tanking. It is a bad myth that tanking helps any team. Look at the browns- how many years in a row have they had top draft picks and not even made the playoffs? Look at the 76ers in the NBA. Purposely tanked, got top draft choices four straight years and have one playoff series win to show for it.
 
And it's actually detrimental that Jerry Jones is the biggest fan and Cowboys optimist that there is. He always sees things as better and brighter than they ever actually are. That's why we're always a "contender" and always just "a piece or two away". Never wholesale changes or rebuilds, but patches. Like pavement slapped over a run down street. Don't actually fix it and repave, just patch over it, again, and again, and again.
100% agree. We have a salesman for a GM. The best GMs in pro sports usually have a very critical eye of their own team. They are naturally quick to see potential faults BEFORE they happen. And they have a vision for the kind of talent to build around. This FO doesn’t have a clue how to build a great roster.
 
100% agree. We have a salesman for a GM. The best GMs in pro sports usually have a very critical eye of their own team. They are naturally quick to see potential faults BEFORE they happen. And they have a vision for the kind of talent to build around. This FO doesn’t have a clue how to build a great roster.

The guy always things that things are better than they are. He is incapable of criticism. Not of himself nor the family members he's gifted roles to. He's made excuses for himself and everyone around him for decades now. It just comes down to whether anyone wants to hear them or believe them anymore.
 
Something hit me today: After that 3-0 start last season against the league’s worst teams, the Cowboys record has been 7-12. In other words this team hasn’t been that good for a long time, with two different head coaches. And also jumping out is this- over that same period of time, the turnover differential is a whopping -13. You can’t beat anyone in this league with that kind of TO differential.

Most quality GMs/FO would have seen that this team wasn’t “a couple of players away” from contention last year. This is the second year of an obvious decline.

This front office has a bad habit of chasing the fix to problems instead of seeing problems before they happen. An effective, proactive GM looks at his team with real scrutiny and says, “Which players have the most risk for decline?” Instead, Jerry thinks, “Which players can I best market?” Our GM is a great salesman. He could sell sand in the dessert. But he wouldn’t know a declining talent if it bit him in the backside. Because we have a bunch that are biting him right now.

I don’t know if this team is done or not. Technically, there’s still time to win this pathetic division. But I’m hoping our front office can see by now that this clearly a team in a talent decline. Cowboys fans need to wake up and smell the coffee and avoid the Jerry blue Koolaide. This team needs a big infusion of young talent that can only come with great drafts.

This team needs a new infusion of talent. Whatever anyone thought about the “window” of talent from drafts the last 8-10 years, that window has closed.

Can you say rebuild?

Turnovers aside for the moment.

Since the next to last game of last season where the offensive line had starters at each position at that time, will now field only Connor Williams come Sunday. The next man up theory is now digging into the rookie stockpile, and maybe just a warm body Rolodex as this season progresses.

The starting quarterback for the last four years is out for the season. The replacement QB may fair better than what we saw Monday night, but the fact remains this team is playing rookies at several positions on the team's front line at the moment, and probably for the rest of the year. Any skills set Dalton may have has to be factored through the security and protection he enjoys on game day. He might have the mojo to lift this team, but without a clean pocket he does not possess the elusiveness to move to a delivery point that is not being harassed.

And yet until the leader of the team fell, this offense was racking up yards. Even with a sketchy offensive line. Resolve the turnover numbers to even zero and this offense - including the rookies - was one of the best in the league. The staid argument is the team was playing catch-up when the other team was too far ahead. Therefore the opponent stopped playing. But to think a team will let up enough for the Cowboys to come down to one play to take the lead, or at the very least tie the game ignores the other team was still playing hard enough to win.

This franchise has fielded teams for over a decade which have been noted as slow starters. I just don't see this offense as that far away from top of the league if you get a healthy Dak and returning players to the line, with an addition of a player through the draft or FA.

I agree the front office has made some horrendous mistakes. There is something to be learned from cap management, but my contention is the GM and President of Player Personnel failed in accurately assessing the players who eventually received large pay raises.

I have always thought of Tank Lawrence to be a poor man's Greg Ellis. Plays hard some games, takes some weekends off. I just could never figure out what Jerry saw ion this guy to reward him as he did.

Jaylon Smith came to the team with an impossible injury. His season with LVE where they appeared to be the best LB duo in the league was too small a sample size to justify the investment Jerry made in this player.

*** This is a reoccurring nightmare for the Cowboys in that Jerry rewards players too much money when an exceptional season comers along, but the body of work does not indicate a substantial raise should be offered.

LVE had questions when he entered the draft. His first season made us all think he would be a significant part of an improving defense. Does his injury history over the last season and a half change your mind? And when he comes up for renewal, what should Jerry do? One solid season - and not a great season, mind you - Jerry will open up the checkbook for what may be a player that mimics Lee's career.

Cooper is not an albatross yet. I think he is still nursing a foot injury. Could this be another Miles Austin? Maybe. But what I do think is Cooper stated he wanted to be here and Jerry paid him like he was a returning war hero. He makes a huge difference. Especially for Lamb. The constant barrage Cooper takes from the fans here ignore that other teams respect Cooper, which very well may be one major factor in why Lamb is doing astonishingly well.

As a side note, I think Lamb has a shot at being the best 88 ever for this team. Temper that statement with the fact Michael Irvin was and is my favorite player, tied with Drew Pearson.

Bobhaze - I agree with your assessment to a degree. Certainly the defense fits your thoughts. But the ridiculous amount of injuries to the OL, and now QB this season is clearly unprecedented. Otherwise this offense with adequate protection and a healthy Dak could be championship talent.

One caveat - Zeke needs to get his mind right. I do not believe he has lost his ability. I think he is a player that needs to stay hungry and 90 million dollars has fed Zeke way too much. His mind is not in his game. Stats, which I discount, suggest Zeke was in the rarified air of Emmitt. But Zeke does not have the self discipline to stay at the cutting edge of his game, which is being exemplified in his fumble slump. While I have been a huge Zeke fan, Jerry should have seen the immaturity of this player who would rest on his laurels, especially after a life changing payday. The writing of this guy's character was indelibly graffitied all over the Cowboy's facilities by his petulance.

Major rebuild? No for the offense, and yes for the defense.
 
I think with winning organizations there are processes that are in place and there is a way to do things, a philosophy, a belief that you have and everything is built around that,” Aikman said. “If you take Seattle for instance, if you say ‘hey, what is their philosophy,’ you kind of know what that is. They’re going to play great defense, they’re going to run the football and they draft players who fit the mold of what they’re looking for. I don’t know that the Cowboys . . . the Cowboys tend to change their beliefs each year on what it is they need or what they’re about. I find that to be somewhat unusual for a club that has been owned by the same owner for however long it’s been.”

- Troy Aikman

Jerry doesn’t have a football philosophy, but I like what he does. He tries to get all the information he can. He’s not a talent evaluator. Now, some days he thinks he is. Some days I think I’m an oilman, but I’m not. He’s an oilman.

- Bill Parcells
 
I don’t see a problem with young talent. At some point, though, they have to pay the young talent. This is where Dallas has messed the bed. They have handed out some questionable contracts.
 
Turnovers aside for the moment.

Since the next to last game of last season where the offensive line had starters at each position at that time, will now field only Connor Williams come Sunday. The next man up theory is now digging into the rookie stockpile, and maybe just a warm body Rolodex as this season progresses.

The starting quarterback for the last four years is out for the season. The replacement QB may fair better than what we saw Monday night, but the fact remains this team is playing rookies at several positions on the team's front line at the moment, and probably for the rest of the year. Any skills set Dalton may have has to be factored through the security and protection he enjoys on game day. He might have the mojo to lift this team, but without a clean pocket he does not possess the elusiveness to move to a delivery point that is not being harassed.

And yet until the leader of the team fell, this offense was racking up yards. Even with a sketchy offensive line. Resolve the turnover numbers to even zero and this offense - including the rookies - was one of the best in the league. The staid argument is the team was playing catch-up when the other team was too far ahead. Therefore the opponent stopped playing. But to think a team will let up enough for the Cowboys to come down to one play to take the lead, or at the very least tie the game ignores the other team was still playing hard enough to win.

This franchise has fielded teams for over a decade which have been noted as slow starters. I just don't see this offense as that far away from top of the league if you get a healthy Dak and returning players to the line, with an addition of a player through the draft or FA.

I agree the front office has made some horrendous mistakes. There is something to be learned from cap management, but my contention is the GM and President of Player Personnel failed in accurately assessing the players who eventually received large pay raises.

I have always thought of Tank Lawrence to be a poor man's Greg Ellis. Plays hard some games, takes some weekends off. I just could never figure out what Jerry saw ion this guy to reward him as he did.

Jaylon Smith came to the team with an impossible injury. His season with LVE where they appeared to be the best LB duo in the league was too small a sample size to justify the investment Jerry made in this player.

*** This is a reoccurring nightmare for the Cowboys in that Jerry rewards players too much money when an exceptional season comers along, but the body of work does not indicate a substantial raise should be offered.

LVE had questions when he entered the draft. His first season made us all think he would be a significant part of an improving defense. Does his injury history over the last season and a half change your mind? And when he comes up for renewal, what should Jerry do? One solid season - and not a great season, mind you - Jerry will open up the checkbook for what may be a player that mimics Lee's career.

Cooper is not an albatross yet. I think he is still nursing a foot injury. Could this be another Miles Austin? Maybe. But what I do think is Cooper stated he wanted to be here and Jerry paid him like he was a returning war hero. He makes a huge difference. Especially for Lamb. The constant barrage Cooper takes from the fans here ignore that other teams respect Cooper, which very well may be one major factor in why Lamb is doing astonishingly well.

As a side note, I think Lamb has a shot at being the best 88 ever for this team. Temper that statement with the fact Michael Irvin was and is my favorite player, tied with Drew Pearson.

Bobhaze - I agree with your assessment to a degree. Certainly the defense fits your thoughts. But the ridiculous amount of injuries to the OL, and now QB this season is clearly unprecedented. Otherwise this offense with adequate protection and a healthy Dak could be championship talent.

One caveat - Zeke needs to get his mind right. I do not believe he has lost his ability. I think he is a player that needs to stay hungry and 90 million dollars has fed Zeke way too much. His mind is not in his game. Stats, which I discount, suggest Zeke was in the rarified air of Emmitt. But Zeke does not have the self discipline to stay at the cutting edge of his game, which is being exemplified in his fumble slump. While I have been a huge Zeke fan, Jerry should have seen the immaturity of this player who would rest on his laurels, especially after a life changing payday. The writing of this guy's character was indelibly graffitied all over the Cowboy's facilities by his petulance.

Major rebuild? No for the offense, and yes for the defense.
No doubt we have been unduly plagued by injuries, especially on the OL. But I also believe the days of having a dominant OL are long gone, even when this line is healthy. Tyron Smith is a shadow of his once great self. Travis Frederick is gone. Connor Williams has not proven to be anything more than average at best. La’el Collins is a question mark after hip surgery. Lots of question marks. And I think it’s time to draft another possible starter at LT.

Brother, I have come to believe over the years that the best NFL teams are always rebuilding and looking for ways to get better. Our FO seems to believe when they draft a good player, that we are set at that position for years to come. That’s not always true. Look at Balt and Pitt. They don’t assume when they draft a Pro bowler, he’s gonna be great for a decade. You might have 3 years of greatness then a decline.

I think we have a top 10 QB in Dak. We have some good WRs. In all, we have some good players here and there. But....This team is in decline on both sides of the ball IMO. The only way to fix that is recognize it and take action.
 
I think Jerry signs guys to long term deals because if they go somewhere else and are successful he wouldn’t be able to stomach it.

I bet if you put dlaw and jaylon on the ravens or Steelers they’d be all pros again.

The culture around this team isn’t a winning one... it’s of mediocrity.
 
I’m never a fan of tanking. It is a bad myth that tanking helps any team. Look at the browns- how many years in a row have they had top draft picks and not even made the playoffs? Look at the 76ers in the NBA. Purposely tanked, got top draft choices four straight years and have one playoff series win to show for it.

True I guess as the intentional tank definition applies, maybe it's not the exact proper word choice but having losing seasons for a few to several seasons has led to a lot of franchise winning afterwards in a lot of cases too.
Landry's 88 and Jimmy 89 seasons allowed some draft hauls towards future success.
Vermeils Rams lost a few years in a row leading up to the stars aligning for them for a few years and their drafts along with Warner's story.
Cleveland and Detroit are 2 of the NFL consistent below .500/high draft pick teams whose FO's haven't seemed to have figure it out yet No doubt.

But even as recently as just a couple years back, San Francisco had a 4 or 5 yr down window with losing and then chose/developed the right players toward building a consistent contender, this year still tbd.

So I will concede the use of the word intentional tank may or may not have applied, but several past and present Front Offices have parlayed a couple or few years of losing into winning windows of contention.

Boils down to having the right FO in my opinion.
 
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Something hit me today: After that 3-0 start last season against the league’s worst teams, the Cowboys record has been 7-12. In other words this team hasn’t been that good for a long time, with two different head coaches. And also jumping out is this- over that same period of time, the turnover differential is a whopping -13. You can’t beat anyone in this league with that kind of TO differential.

Most quality GMs/FO would have seen that this team wasn’t “a couple of players away” from contention last year. This is the second year of an obvious decline.

This front office has a bad habit of chasing the fix to problems instead of seeing problems before they happen. An effective, proactive GM looks at his team with real scrutiny and says, “Which players have the most risk for decline?” Instead, Jerry thinks, “Which players can I best market?” Our GM is a great salesman. He could sell sand in the dessert. But he wouldn’t know a declining talent if it bit him in the backside. Because we have a bunch that are biting him right now.

I don’t know if this team is done or not. Technically, there’s still time to win this pathetic division. But I’m hoping our front office can see by now that this clearly a team in a talent decline. Cowboys fans need to wake up and smell the coffee and avoid the Jerry blue Koolaide. This team needs a big infusion of young talent that can only come with great drafts.

This team needs a new infusion of talent. Whatever anyone thought about the “window” of talent from drafts the last 8-10 years, that window has closed.

Can you say rebuild?

I watch this team week in and week out year after year. One thing I notice different from actual contenders. I'm not just watching bad players, but it looks more like a lack of effort in the face of adversity. They just don't seem that motivated and I can't explain why. If you go back to the Parcells era I never turned games off at halftime no matter what the score was. I'm not saying they're quitting, but I can tell tell they play like they don't want it.
 
Something hit me today: After that 3-0 start last season against the league’s worst teams, the Cowboys record has been 7-12. In other words this team hasn’t been that good for a long time, with two different head coaches. And also jumping out is this- over that same period of time, the turnover differential is a whopping -13. You can’t beat anyone in this league with that kind of TO differential.

Most quality GMs/FO would have seen that this team wasn’t “a couple of players away” from contention last year. This is the second year of an obvious decline.

This front office has a bad habit of chasing the fix to problems instead of seeing problems before they happen. An effective, proactive GM looks at his team with real scrutiny and says, “Which players have the most risk for decline?” Instead, Jerry thinks, “Which players can I best market?” Our GM is a great salesman. He could sell sand in the dessert. But he wouldn’t know a declining talent if it bit him in the backside. Because we have a bunch that are biting him right now.

I don’t know if this team is done or not. Technically, there’s still time to win this pathetic division. But I’m hoping our front office can see by now that this clearly a team in a talent decline. Cowboys fans need to wake up and smell the coffee and avoid the Jerry blue Koolaide. This team needs a big infusion of young talent that can only come with great drafts.

This team needs a new infusion of talent. Whatever anyone thought about the “window” of talent from drafts the last 8-10 years, that window has closed.

Can you say rebuild?

It's crazy to think that just 2 and 3 years ago we all thought a dynasty team was in the making.

1 playoff win later and here we are in need of a full rebuild.
 
So Bob, what your saying is, even though we all love Cee Dee maybe it wasn't the best use of resources? Also some of the weak recent drafts and fat contracts doled out are coming back to haunt the team?
 

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