Some quick post-combine thoughts!

[BrAinPaiNt]

If Mason Graham falls to 12

You thank your lucky stars and run that card with his name up there.

 

[tm1119]

Interestingly, Golden's top speed at 23.57 which was 7th best but he had the best 10 yd split at 1.49 seconds. Isaiah Bond ran a 4.39 but had the 2nd best top speed at 24.17. His 10 yd time was 1.51. It seems like bond has a higher top speed but a slower get off, while Golden hits his top speed quicker. If I was looking for a WR to stretch the field, I would choose Bond over Golden. Perhaps Golden would make a better slot guy running intermediate routes.

Almost like forcing football players to use a very specific track stance that they will never use while playing football doesn’t make sense…

That really has never made sense to me. So much of the 40 time is based on how well the player has mastered exploding out of that 3 point track stance. Just have the WR’s line up like they are about to run a route

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I really like what Daniel Jeremiah said about this draft. It is not a start draft, it is a starters draft. There aren't many future HoF players in this draft but there are a lot of solid guys who can start in the NFL. It is a good draft to have a lot of picks to fill a depleted roster. The Cowboys just have to be smart. I would take the player who would make the biggest impact in the first round and then start filling holes with the next 9 picks. trading down and picking up extra picks might work out well too.

+1.......So true
It's why I'm starting to believe the best strategy is to convert the value of your #12 into 2-3 extra day-2 picks. Even if that means trading down near the bottom 5 of the 1st round. We have so many holes that we can still draft a starter at 25-26 just as we can at 12. Still walk away with extra 2, 3 and maybe regain a 4th. The Ravens, Bills, and Chiefs do it all the time.......drafting near the bottom but always getting good players.

 

[rambo2]

If Mason Graham falls to 12

You thank your lucky stars and run that card with his name up there.

Yes,

 

[Acceptablename]

-Matthew Golden is my new #1 WR. 6 feet and 4.3 with SEC production. Cowboys have shown interest as well.
-Pierce is clearly the #2 Edge now in this class, Green's stock has taken a hit with those sexual assault allegations.
-Graham not testing, short arms and 25lbs lighter has him falling, but how far? Nolen's character issues could do the same.
-Harmon to me is the best DT that has emerged post combine. Strong testing and physical attributes.
-Will Johnson's stock took a hit with his lack of length, speed was already an issue.
-Hampton will not get out of the 1st rd, but Judkins might now be the back to target over Johnson from Iowa. Giddens the former KState back also had a good 40 time that makes him a late day 2 target.
-I maybe in the minority but Campbell the linebacker scares me to death with his lack of instincts. Schwesinger is my target.
-Emmamori is going to be a 1st rd pick now after that elite testing

-I really believe those prospects who refused to test with hurt their stock. Teams want competitive players not ones scared to compete under same conditions.

I am surprised about the quality in the offensive line. I just want to see both sides address and running back of course. However that comes out

 

[McKDaddy]

If the testing is better than the production, rank based on production unless there is some very clear evidence to support. ie, a corner whose traits and tape as a bump & run shadow corner are good but was asked to play primarily zone coverage.

If the testing is worse than production, rank based on production. Perhaps a slight downgrade if you think it means wear & tear of pro career will quickly degrade his physical abilities & thus his production.

Bottom line, on field production is first & foremost. Quality of competition is second.

 

[Acceptablename]

It wasn't stupid in my opinion to take Zeke in 2016 is the fourth spot. It was stupid to give him the second contract

 

[McKDaddy]

The Ravens, Bills, and Chiefs do it all the time.......drafting near the bottom but always getting good players.

They benefit from other teams misevaluating players. Letting really solid players fall in their laps & they are more than happy to scoop them up.

If the Ravens take a player that surprises me, I automatically question my thoughts about the player. They don't many mistakes & they know what they want the player to do. Players work for them that wouldn't work out for a lot of teams.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

They benefit from other teams misevaluating players. Letting really solid players fall in their laps & they are more than happy to scoop them up.

If the Ravens take a player that surprises me, I automatically question my thoughts about the player. They don't many mistakes & they know what they want the player to do. Players work for them that wouldn't work out for a lot of teams.

How many times we have seen players selected in the bottom 4-5 of the 1st round and wonder how they fell that far? Like you say, you can take more risk near the bottom.

 

[Cowboyny]

I am surprised about the quality in the offensive line. I just want to see both sides address and running back of course. However that comes out

Really think OL is more about development this season, but front 7 on defense is where I think they look for roster upgrades.

 

[Cowboyny]

Besides there are other factors to consider for the college WRs........QBs, playcalling, offensive system. Some will be better pros and college and vice versa. For a good example, Deion was determined to make sure Shedeur shined. Everything Colorado offense was centered around pumping Shedeur .......NFL OC, play calling, 2-3 three WR set. In fact, I have no idea who was their running back.

The point is college coaches have so much control over how much certain players will shine/produce. It's why the transfer portal now most effective tool for college players.

Coaches and college schemes certainly can affect a player's stock. We see many weird alignments on that level cause it is a different type of game and different field.

 

[Rayman70]

Golden haa separated himself from Tet McMillan I think. He's 1A then Tet is 1B.

 

[kiheikiwi]

One of my big take aways was how small (relative term) RB Henderson was.
In my mind d I had been thinking he would have been perfect as a runner/catcher out of the backfired type guy. But 202 lbs surprised me. I may pivot elsewhere - and wouldn't mind also grabbing a 2nd runner later in the draft.
Loved the T/G out of Arizona, smooth big mauler Savaiinaea.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I really like what Daniel Jeremiah said about this draft. It is not a start draft, it is a starters draft. There aren't many future HoF players in this draft but there are a lot of solid guys who can start in the NFL. It is a good draft to have a lot of picks to fill a depleted roster. The Cowboys just have to be smart. I would take the player who would make the biggest impact in the first round and then start filling holes with the next 9 picks. trading down and picking up extra picks might work out well too.

Here's the type of strategy speaking about earlier........not sure these would be my selections but having extra 2nd and 3rd rounders and still getting a good player at 25.

 

[darthseinfeld]

-Matthew Golden is my new #1 WR. 6 feet and 4.3 with SEC production. Cowboys have shown interest as well.
-Pierce is clearly the #2 Edge now in this class, Green's stock has taken a hit with those sexual assault allegations.
-Graham not testing, short arms and 25lbs lighter has him falling, but how far? Nolen's character issues could do the same.
-Harmon to me is the best DT that has emerged post combine. Strong testing and physical attributes.
-Will Johnson's stock took a hit with his lack of length, speed was already an issue.
-Hampton will not get out of the 1st rd, but Judkins might now be the back to target over Johnson from Iowa. Giddens the former KState back also had a good 40 time that makes him a late day 2 target.
-I maybe in the minority but Campbell the linebacker scares me to death with his lack of instincts. Schwesinger is my target.
-Emmamori is going to be a 1st rd pick now after that elite testing

-I really believe those prospects who refused to test with hurt their stock. Teams want competitive players not ones scared to compete under same conditions.

Nolan not testing is interesting. After a very strong Senior Bowl week he had the chance to move into the top 10 of this draft with a strong combine. Im not really out on him, but I like Harmon more now. Harmon has the tape and production to back up his measurables

Grahams length more than his weight give me some pause, but he is a player. I don't think it hurts him much. Didnt hurt Kancy in 2023 when his arms measured 30"

 

[darthseinfeld]

Here's the type of strategy speaking about earlier........not sure these would be my selections but having extra 2nd and 3rd rounders and still getting a good player at 25.

In this draft it depends on what you want to strengthen.

If you want to strengthen the front 4, you take a player at 12. Guys like Graham, Harmon, M. Williams, Nolan and Pearce instantly improve our front 4 and would make the players around them better. You trading down and getting one most likely. And the guys you would get like Grant, T. Williams and Green come with alot of questions.

If you want to strengthen the skill positions, trading down is smart. There really isnt a WR or HB you should take 12th. Tet maybe, but 12 is rich for a #2 WR

Cowboys seems very focused on the front 4 right now, so I wouldnt put money on them trading down

 

[reddyuta]

Micah didn't do Combine and it didn't hurt his stock,not participating in the Combine will not drop your draft stock unless you miss your pro day too.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Nolan not testing is interesting. After a very strong Senior Bowl week he had the chance to move into the top 10 of this draft with a strong combine. Im not really out on him, but I like Harmon more now. Harmon has the tape and production to back up his measurables

Grahams length more than his weight give me some pause, but he is a player. I don't think it hurts him much. Didnt hurt Kancy in 2023 when his arms measured 30"

Folks are trippin if they think Graham’s weight and arms are going to drop him.

It’s not like he weighed in at 280 lbs and has 30” arms. He’s 296 lbs with 32” arms and demonstrated production/play against quality opponents.

He’s a disruptive 3-tech. I guess folks were miscasting him as a NT.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Folks are trippin if they think Graham’s weight and arms are going to drop him.

It’s not like he weighed in at 280 lbs and has 30” arms. He’s 296 lbs with 32” arms and demonstrated production/play against quality opponents.

He’s a disruptive 3-tech. I guess folks were miscasting him as a NT.

I think they were hoping for a big 3T. We have been fetishizing bulk ever since the days of the 3-4

 

[darthseinfeld]

Folks are trippin if they think Graham’s weight and arms are going to drop him.

It’s not like he weighed in at 280 lbs and has 30” arms. He’s 296 lbs with 32” arms and demonstrated production/play against quality opponents.

He’s a disruptive 3-tech. I guess folks were miscasting him as a NT.

I would like a couple more inches in length (Ill leave that one for you), but its not a prospect killer