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BrAinPaiNt

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Crown Royal;1400775 said:
The great thing though is that there isn't anything in free agency this year that will feel any major holes we have.

Because it is my opinion that we don't have any major holes.

Who is our starting right tackle right now?
Who is our starting right guard if rivera retires...at least we have proctor sitting back there?

We have McQuistan and Fabini as backup OTs right now. We, at this moment, have a total of THREE OT's on our active roster. And don't forget that Flo will be a FA pretty soon.

So I would think we would want to sign at least one veteran RT or RG and even if you go cheap and just get one right now than you might hope to get the other in the draft PLUS depth.
 

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lspain1;1400779 said:
If we lose Columbo and Rivera does not come back, we will need to replace the entire right side of the OL. I see that as a major hole.

Losing Colombo is a big deal, but like I said, I think we should pay the man his money. Allow the market to dictate his price, and bring him back.

As far as Rivera, we'll either have to go with our depth or find a 3rd tier guy if he leaves. But I don't think that the RG position is keeping us from the superbowl.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1400784 said:
The guitar is worth whatever someone will pay for it.

Yep. But that doesn't really mean that it's worth it. You're not going to be 20K for a Yugo. If you did, people will call you foolish.

These prices are getting ridiculously high. You have to draft well, save up your money, and wait until the real talent comes out in free agency and then pay for it.

Just paying for the best of the average is stupid, IMO.
 

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5Stars;1400791 said:
You're not a dummie! You are a genious...
:)

You should be a Hollywood movie producer!


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LOL

Doctor32 is a hollywood producer, or will be someday....

I on the other hand am a mere diaper changer...! and resident dummie!
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1400793 said:
Who is our starting right tackle right now?
Who is our starting right guard if rivera retires...at least we have proctor sitting back there?

We have McQuistan and Fabini as backup OTs right now. We, at this moment, have a total of THREE OT's on our active roster. And don't forget that Flo will be a FA pretty soon.

So I would think we would want to sign at least one veteran RT or RG and even if you go cheap and just get one right now than you might hope to get the other in the draft PLUS depth.

I'm sorry, I didn't expect you to ignore the other post where I said we should re-sign Colombo.

As far as Right guard, like I just responded to another poster - neither of the three big names would be any significant upgrade and push us over the top. Either we find a 2nd-3rd tier guy in free agency, allow proctor to take back over and draft some depth, or Rivera stays and plays another year. But I certainly don't think that one position is keeping us from the big dance.
 

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Actually, how long is Fabini's contract? Is this his final year?
 

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SultanOfSix;1400798 said:
Yep. But that doesn't really mean that it's worth it. You're not going to be 20K for a Yugo. If you did, people will call you foolish.

These prices are getting ridiculously high. You have to draft well, save up your money, and wait until the real talent comes out in free agency and then pay for it.

Just paying for the best of the average is stupid, IMO.

Paying for the best LAST year is different than paying for the average THIS year.

That is the point about the cap increase and the market this year.

Next year or two years from now the outrageous prices we see this year will be even worse.

It is what it is, the market sets itself.
 

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With the big bump coming next year in the cap, and teams doing so well at making sure that few really good players are available, crazy numbers are going to be the norm.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1400805 said:
Paying for the best LAST year is different than paying for the average THIS year.

That is the point about the cap increase and the market this year.

Next year or two years from now the outrageous prices we see this year will be even worse.

It is what it is, the market sets itself.

I think you missed my point.
 

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LatinMind;1400804 said:
2 more yrs. he signed a 3 yr deal

Well, at least we have some depth.

Now if we had a starter . . . .
 

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Crown Royal;1400802 said:
I'm sorry, I didn't expect you to ignore the other post where I said we should re-sign Colombo.

As far as Right guard, like I just responded to another poster - neither of the three big names would be any significant upgrade and push us over the top. Either we find a 2nd-3rd tier guy in free agency, allow proctor to take back over and draft some depth, or Rivera stays and plays another year. But I certainly don't think that one position is keeping us from the big dance.

Didn't ignore it, just missed it.

But He is a FA and I am including the FA market in my post. Not just picking and choosing between those that were under contract with us or specific positions.

As I posted if you get one signed...RG or RT than you can go into the draft and hope you hit on some players but don't forget you still need to get depth and you better hope beyond hope that you have McQuistan or hit on a guy in the draft this year or next when we have to worry about manning up and getting a position that REALLY will blow away the OG money this year....LEFT TACKLE.
 

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^^Agree with all that - it's just the game.

IMO, if we don't start focusing on drafting lineman early and often, any success we have had in the last two years or will have soon will all be for naught. You build your line in the draft, plain and simple.
 

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bbgun;1400709 said:
"Understanding" it doesn't mean we have to play the game.

yea, so when our FA's are up, we'll just let 'em go. i mean, after all, the great BB says NO to playing.

THIS IS THE GAME NOW! it doesn't matter if you like it or not, this is how it is. if we want to win not only do we have to *play* it but we have to play it better than everyone else.

you sit there and be all defiant and let me know how many people get in that line.
 

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People called me crazy when I said Colombo was going to get a deal in the $6-7 million dollar a year range. It's gonna happen, folks.
 

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SultanOfSix;1400807 said:
I think you missed my point.

nah, i think more like you don't like the way it is.

what are you comparing that $20k yugo to? $20k? if so then you're not comparing apples to apples so yes, you'll get mixed results.

as long as *a team* is willing to set the standard, the rest have no choice but to follow. the *only* thing i can think of that would slow it down is a position cap. say no more than $10mil a year for a QB, or now CB. that woulnd't last - why?

cause the market will set the price, as it has here.

is it too high? maybe, but only when you compare it to last year, or worse, 5 years ago. why? because the cost for an average player was a LOT lower than it is now. why? because we have more money to spend for the same amount of players.

every year this will keep getting worse till the NFL eventually caves in upon itself because it's ran out of ways to fund this "runaway train" of revenue.

fans will not be able to afford hockey priced tickets for football.

it's all about the $. if you have more of it to spend, you'll have a long line of people who think their value as a % of that total should be as high as they can set it.
 

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BrAinPaiNt;1400805 said:
Paying for the best LAST year is different than paying for the average THIS year.

That is the point about the cap increase and the market this year.

Next year or two years from now the outrageous prices we see this year will be even worse.

It is what it is, the market sets itself.

agreed. if a lineman this year gets $8mil and is considered to be "overpriced" - when the overall cap goes up $20mil it's whoever is in line next that a team has a need for will suddenly find themselves the winner of that years lottery.

no one will ever "catch up" to the latest highest priced player. each year will likely set a new one.

welcome to todays NFL.
 

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The only thing I will disagree with is that you don't have to truly overpay to get mediocre talent. You do have to overpay to get the best and then like you say in two years they are under market value...so you're not really overpaying. Sort of like how everybody said Detroit was overpaying Dre Bly when they signed him...but in reality, they weren't.
 

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Sooo...here's my question.

Who cares what they are getting paid? The way the cap is going, teams have figured out over the past several years how to operate. Very seldom are teams cap-strapped anymore, and if they are, it only lasts a year or so.

So basically, we are back to the days of pre-cap, but with free agency.

Everyone is looking at these contracts and thinking in terms of cap room, but I really think that you have to see that things have changed in the last few years, with extra cap room being added in the amount of 7-10 mil every year.
 

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its going up 7 million next year; anyone got info on the bump after that?
 
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