Someone help me research the Dallas/Washington Rivalry

[BringBackThatOleTimeBoys]

It's sad to see this rivalry lose the venom it once had. I mean, it was never going to be like the 70's but it's nowhere as intense. I'm dropping a few links, but want more:

http://grantland.com/features/hail-victory/

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...is-now-triumph-and-tragedy-coach-george-allen

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story...owboys-rekindle-rivalry-washington-Commanders

http://nypost.com/2012/12/30/bitter-nfc-east-rivalry-goes-way-back/

This was not just two SB contenders in the same division, but two organizations with completely different ideologies of how to win.

• Landry: build a team on the draft and train them on your system - Allen: get veterans and throw them together
• Landry: If you win, players will be happy - Allen: If players are happy, they will win.
• Landry: Used the salary cap principal before it existed - Allen: Spent over his budget on players
• Landry: Careful not to say anything to upset opponents. - Allen: Smack, smack, smack. Troll, troll, troll.
• Landry: Not emotional, thought out - Allen: Got his team worked up, esp when playing Dallas

If there is one person most responsible for making this the greatest rivalry in football, it's George Allen. I'm in disbelief on the Psychology Today article stating Allen never swore, because another article (PLEASE help me find it) states on Dallas week, Allen was so mad he could only refer to his opponent as the "G--D--- COWBOYS" Add to that, one of his players was named Dallas, but referred to him as Berkley. Cowboys of that era enjoyed beating Washington because they knew it would absolutely devastate them. Cliff Harris said he preferred winning in DC over winning the SB. I don't know if there is a coach more determined to win more than Bill Belichick, but it might be George Allen.

 

[maxdallasfan]

They used to turn the hot water and heat off in the locker room when the Cowboys came to town.

 

[Hostile]

What do you want? I have a plethora of information about the rivalry? Especially good smack talk.

 

[Cowboys22]

We're crushing them head to head, have way more NFC East titles, and have more Super Bowl appearances and wins. What else needs to be known?

 

[Ashwynn]

Oh man, have I ever told you guys (and gals) how much I hate the skins. Coach Allen is the legendary coach when I think of the Commanders. When he passed I called my best friend who was a die hard Commander fan, and said I was sorry for his loss. He was speechless as that was the only time in my life I have ever offered any kind of sympathy to a Commander fan, Not even when Sean Taylor was shot. This goes back to the 70's and even before I knew the history of the boys, the Commander fight song thing,. The spying on Dallas practices. Harvey Martin throwing the wreath in the Commanders locker (That was funny as heck). I could sit here all night recalling how the rivalry became a lifes obsession.

I cant fathom a Cowboy fan who hates the eagirls or jints over the Commanders, as this rivalry has never lost the luster for me personally. I celebrate every win over the Commanders. I was pissed beyond words as Snyder kept wiggling out of salary cap hell. Still pisses me off today. This is a great week and man the fact we are very solid as a team, I cant wait to drill the Commanders 45-3. Enjoy this game, this is history. Every Cowboys -Commander game is a part of Cowboy lore and legend.

 

[mrmojo]

"Die you dirty dogs die" Sam Wyche during the 72 championship game when Commanders went to SB against Miami. Never liked Wyche after that.

 

[EPL0c0]

try having friends that are Washington fans... trust me, the rivalary is very much alive.

 

[kramskoi]

George Allen...even Danny White was hoping someone would knock him out of bounds so that he could get his hands on him!!!

 

[Blackspider214]

Anyone have the clip where Dorsett (I think) threw the ball at point blank range at one of the Skins players? They played it on the big screen when I went to the Skins game in 2010.

 

[tideh20heel]

try having friends that are Washington fans... trust me, the rivalary is very much alive.

The rivalry means so much more to the Commanders. Their fan base is (along with the Eagles) the nastiest, most unhappy, envy filled group in the league. I've had two cowboy magnets snagged off my girlfriend's car in the last week. The cult like worship of RG3 during his rookie year reminded me of a early 30's Hitler rally. Most of them would sell their children to beat the Boys.

 

[Joe Realist]

It goes back to even before 1 game was played. George Preston Marshall wanted to keep a team out of the south and was at first successful (he had a lot of clout with the other owners). When Dallas did not get expansion approval, Clint Murchison bough the rights to " Hail to the Commanders " song that they used but didn't own. This pissed off Marshall and eventually they agreed to a Dallas franchise in exchange to the rights to the song.

Hostile -do I have this correct?

 

[d_dub88]

My favorite Dallas -Wash game was Staubach's last regular season game where he threw two TD's in the final minutes to win the game and the division. It also knocked Wash out of the playoffs. But the best part was Harvey Martin throwing an RIP wreath into their locker room during their team prayer after the game. That had to be a stunned team.

Aikman to Rocket in overtime is a close second.

 

[CliffnDallas]

It's sad to see this rivalry lose the venom it once had. I mean, it was never going to be like the 70's but it's nowhere as intense. I'm dropping a few links, but want more:

http://grantland.com/features/hail-victory/

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...is-now-triumph-and-tragedy-coach-george-allen

http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story...owboys-rekindle-rivalry-washington-Commanders

http://nypost.com/2012/12/30/bitter-nfc-east-rivalry-goes-way-back/

This was not just two SB contenders in the same division, but two organizations with completely different ideologies of how to win.

• Landry: build a team on the draft and train them on your system - Allen: get veterans and throw them together
• Landry: If you win, players will be happy - Allen: If players are happy, they will win.
• Landry: Used the salary cap principal before it existed - Allen: Spent over his budget on players
• Landry: Careful not to say anything to upset opponents. - Allen: Smack, smack, smack. Troll, troll, troll.
• Landry: Not emotional, thought out - Allen: Got his team worked up, esp when playing Dallas

If there is one person most responsible for making this the greatest rivalry in football, it's George Allen. I'm in disbelief on the Psychology Today article stating Allen never swore, because another article (PLEASE help me find it) states on Dallas week, Allen was so mad he could only refer to his opponent as the "G--D--- COWBOYS" Add to that, one of his players was named Dallas, but referred to him as Berkley. Cowboys of that era enjoyed beating Washington because they knew it would absolutely devastate them. Cliff Harris said he preferred winning in DC over winning the SB. I don't know if there is a coach more determined to win more than Bill Belichick, but it might be George Allen.

It all began with...chickens

 

[boysfanindc]

No doubt George Allen stocked the fires and made this a true rivalry, it appears his son does not have the same capability.

 

[Setackin]

Guess it's different for the older fans, I've never really cared about them. The giants on the other hand, I hate with no remorse.

 

[mahoneybill]

One of my favorite memories of a Boys/Washington game where we won is Harvey Martin throwing a funeral wreath into the Skins locker room after the game.

Now that's a message..... No profanity, no hype .............

 

[Jarv]

The 1974 Thanksgiving game is one of the highlights of my life that I will never forget.

 

[Hostile]

It all began with...chickens

Actually it all began with a fight song, but I love the chickens stories too.

 

[jday]

read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Cowboys


Prior to the formation of the Dallas Cowboys, there had not been an NFL team south of Washington DC since the Dallas Texans folded in 1952. Oilman Clint Murchison Jr had been trying to get an NFL expansion team in Dallas (also Lamar Hunt – who ended up with an AFL franchise), but George Preston Marshall owner of the Washington Commanders had a monopoly in the south.
Murchison had tried to purchase the Washington Commanders from Marshall in 1958. An agreement was struck, but as the deal was about to be finalized, Marshall called for a change in terms. This infuriated Murchison and he called off the deal. Marshall then opposed any franchise for Murchison in Dallas. Since NFL expansion needed unanimous approval from team owners at that time, Marshall's position would prevent Murchison from joining the league.
Marshall had a falling out with the Commanders band leader Barnee Breeskin. Breeskin had written the music to the Commanders fight song "Hail to the Commanders" and Marshall’s wife had penned the lyrics. Breeskin owned the rights to the song and was aware of Murchison’s plight to get an NFL franchise. Angry with Marshall, Breeskin approached Murchison’s attorney to sell him the rights to the song before the expansion vote in 1959. Murchison purchased "Hail to the Commanders" for $2,500. Before the vote to award franchises in 1959, Murchison revealed to Marshall that he owned the song and Marshall could not play it during games. After a few Marshall expletives, Murchison gave the rights to "Hail to the Commanders" to Marshall for his vote, the lone one against Murchison getting a franchise at that time, and a rivalry was born.

 

[theSHOW]

read more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dallas_Cowboys


Prior to the formation of the Dallas Cowboys, there had not been an NFL team south of Washington DC since the Dallas Texans folded in 1952. Oilman Clint Murchison Jr had been trying to get an NFL expansion team in Dallas (also Lamar Hunt – who ended up with an AFL franchise), but George Preston Marshall owner of the Washington Commanders had a monopoly in the south.
Murchison had tried to purchase the Washington Commanders from Marshall in 1958. An agreement was struck, but as the deal was about to be finalized, Marshall called for a change in terms. This infuriated Murchison and he called off the deal. Marshall then opposed any franchise for Murchison in Dallas. Since NFL expansion needed unanimous approval from team owners at that time, Marshall's position would prevent Murchison from joining the league.
Marshall had a falling out with the Commanders band leader Barnee Breeskin. Breeskin had written the music to the Commanders fight song "Hail to the Commanders" and Marshall’s wife had penned the lyrics. Breeskin owned the rights to the song and was aware of Murchison’s plight to get an NFL franchise. Angry with Marshall, Breeskin approached Murchison’s attorney to sell him the rights to the song before the expansion vote in 1959. Murchison purchased "Hail to the Commanders" for $2,500. Before the vote to award franchises in 1959, Murchison revealed to Marshall that he owned the song and Marshall could not play it during games. After a few Marshall expletives, Murchison gave the rights to "Hail to the Commanders" to Marshall for his vote, the lone one against Murchison getting a franchise at that time, and a rivalry was born.

actually ...it goes back a little further.