Something to think about.

[Hiero]

Guys, calm down on Tyson Thompson.

Did we already forget him putting on the carpet a few times there at the end of the game. I mean he has some skill, but if Julius is out this week A-Train will be starting for sure.

Thompson still has a few mental lapses under his belt as far as picking up the blitz too. He is not unseating anyone anytime soon.

did you even see the fumbles though? they were garbage and not real fumbles. kid has some serious skills, and is a huge pickup for the future. he and jj are gonn be around for awhile.

 

[percyhoward]

The Giants run defense is one of the league's worst, giving up an average of 4.5 yards per rush (26th in the league). They've been getting away with it, for the most part, by building up big leads against bad teams, forcing them to pass.

IF Julius doesn't play, and Thompson does end up rushing for 120 yards, it will probably have more to do with the Dallas D than with Thompson.

 

[DanTanna]

He hasn't fumbled all season - DTs stripping the ball when Tyson is getting up from the pile doesn't count. The reason his YPC was down last week was that we were up by 25 pts and ran the ball every play.

His vision and wiggle sux, but he only needs to make one guy miss to get 5 yards. Has he even missed a blitz assignment yet??? I can't ever remember him missing one.

 

[BARRYRAY]

I think JJ has been hurt all year with various nicks/dings/concussion, it has affected his running, the Cowboys try to hide it but overall he is not the same guy he was last year, might be better to sit him a week, then agian not sure if any of the others scare coordinators the way he does. I have been a big proponenet of the committee approach, teams that only play one guy will crash and burn, Tampa Bay comes to mind. The NFL season is too grinding for one guy to go all 16 games and the playoffs, the reason JJ was soo good lastr year was he only played the second half..

 

[goshan]

Here is the deal:

1. TT isn't 'stronger' than Julius in terms of pure weight lifting (have you seen JJ without a shirt?) but he does seem to run with slightly more power.

2. TT has not exhibited much wiggle in the open field. He will never be a 'top' of even 'good' NFL back if he has no wiggle. That is the most important characteristic of an 'elusive/speed style' RB like JJ or TT. Aveon Cason's don't do that well in the NFL.

3. I agree TT looks quicker to the role right now which is odd because JJ was supposed to be one of the quickest in the league. Last year, JJ's cone drill time and 20 yard dash were one of the best (if not the best) at the NFL combine. I would like to see him run those now to see if he has slowed down because of added bulk.

4. Most want to blame the o-line and play calling, but JJ is not the back he was last year. Based upon his performance thus far, he looks like an average NFL starter, at best. In fact, his brother looks better this year...last year that definitely wasn't the case.

 

[dbair1967]

did you even see the fumbles though? they were garbage and not real fumbles. kid has some serious skills, and is a huge pickup for the future. .

he's an undrafted free agent averaging 3.7 yds per carry

he is a straight ahead, upright speed runner...thats not "serious skills"

hey I hope the kid is a superstar, but alot of you people are getting way too carried away again

David

 

[dbair1967]

4. Most want to blame the o-line and play calling, but JJ is not the back he was last year. Based upon his performance thus far, he looks like an average NFL starter, at best. In fact, his brother looks better this year...last year that definitely wasn't the case.

I guess everyone has an opinion, but mine is that this is wrong

I've watched every play of every game this yr and last yr, and preseason as well...the run blocking has stunk...some of its our players not executing and some of it is that opposing defenses are clearly focused on slowing down JJ and the run game...a few more games of Bledsoe doing what he has so far will open up more run lanes

the running game is harder to block for than the passing game, especially if you are pulling and trap blocking alot...it takes excellent timing and that takes reps and time to develop

David

 

[Hiero]

he's an undrafted free agent averaging 3.7 yds per carry

he is a straight ahead, upright speed runner...thats not "serious skills"

hey I hope the kid is a superstar, but alot of you people are getting way too carried away again

David

never said superstar, to even mention that is laughable. but I think he is gonna be around for a couple years. I think Barber is gonna steal his spot next year, because he has more talent, he just needs to be able to learn more of the game, and mature more, before taking ona bigger role. I think TT will be 3rd rb next year, but still play a good role on the team for the next few.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It would be interesting to see Jones and Thompson in a split back Pro Set allignment. I think that would provide a nice opportunity to showcase each backs strenghts, while at the same time, keep the defense off balance. Normally, I like power running sets but in this case, I think each brings something to the table, that could be very useful to the team.

I mentioned some time ago that I thought Thompson reminded me of a slightly bigger version of Tatum Bell. He still does.

 

[Verdict]

I really want to see Julius Jones do well, but I call a spade a spade. To me, the Julius Jones of this year is not nearly as decisive, crisp, quick, or instinctive as he was last year. Maybe the defenses we have faced have had something to do with that, but I'm not giving him a pass against all five teams we have faced. It seems like the main success we have had this year running Julius is the on draws and delays, where deception plays a role in the success of the play. He seemed to "manufacture" yards on his own last year, but this year (so far) he seems to have lost his instinct. It seems like he is patient when he needs to just turn on the jets and vice versa. Hopefully he will get on back track to be a superior running back.

 

[Danny White]

Has he even missed a blitz assignment yet??? I can't ever remember him missing one.

Yes, in the Oakland game, he completely missed his guy and nearly got the QB murdered.

 

[NorTex]

What a ridiculous discussion.

If Julius had played the second half against Philly, he would have had 150 yards rushing and we wouldn't be having the discussion.

Come on guys!

 

[TheEnigma]

I said this in another thread but I think the reason Thompson doesn't have much wiggle is he runs with a high center of gravity. This may be due to his height, but he runs somewhat upright. This is probably a big reason he runs so fast, but it also takes away from his balance which comes into play with those cuts and jukes.

 

[btcutter]

I don't know guys, there is something that bothers me about Thompson.

He has talent, that is obvious, but it is like he is unschooled, he seems to always be in a rush, when at times he needs patience, and I do not really think he reads his blocking very well, he is just trying to get to and thru the hole as fast as he can in hopes of getting to the open field, to outrun every body, (it would seem funny to knock a guy for that) I mean once you get into the open field your goal is to outrun everyone to the endzone.

But it is the of his run that is what troubles me, because in his hurry to get to the hole he is not really reading his blocking.

He does not set up his blocking yet nor does he set up a defender to be blocked, and yes he does have to be able to make at least one guy miss, you cannot always run past them. (But I'm not bothered that much about the no wiggle).

His blocking and picking up the blitze, definitely the way he carries the ball, he always seems to have the ball in the wrong arm when he is running on the sidelines.

His vision does seem to be not good right now, but that could be because he is always in a rush, and not patient enough, you know if you slow down just a little you can see more things (not Hambrick slow though, LOL).

Now he has been running in between the tackles better, at least in this past game he did, (and maybe that comes with more opportunities to run the ball, maybe all of the things I'm talking about he will eventually erase with more PT).

I know back in preseason and the few times before this past game he did not seem to run between the tackles with much power, but he ran better Sunday so more reps the better he gets.

Now, I want to see how he handles when a defense is just teeing off on him, is the toughness there, or will he start to tip toe, thru the line?

He needs to hold that ball, that is for sure.

We have 4 good backs.

We will see the best of Barber sooner or later, he is a very good, I do not know what is going on with him in practice, but he is a good RB, he has it all a little wiggle, speed, smarts, blocking and receiving, and the patience that a RB needs at times and he knows how to set and read his blocking.

I know Parcells knows this he has sadi as much, but he has also said that he is very intrigued with the Speed that Thompson has, that homerun speed.

I believe Parcells is finding out what's what about Thompson, because he already knows what he has with Barber and Thomas, and that is why he is has now come to the conclusion that he does not need Thomas anymore.

But I am Happy with Our RBs.

Where did you get the 4 good backs? I see JJ and TT. Barber and A train haven't shown much. I can't call them any good until they prove me wrong.

 

[TheHustler]

it could happen, but it wont unless the Giants are just a sieve on defense

Thompson is fast, but he has no elusiveness whatsoever...he might be bigger but he isnt stronger than JJ either, especially in the lower body

I just dont get this cult love for players like Thompson...he's a nice 3rd RB and decent kick returner, but the guy isnt the 2nd coming of Eric Dickerson, as some of you seem to think

David

You seem to be forgetting the Rashard Lee for no less than a 2nd days.....

That said, I think TT will do just fine if he's starting come Sunday.

 

[TheHustler]

I really want to see Julius Jones do well, but I call a spade a spade. To me, the Julius Jones of this year is not nearly as decisive, crisp, quick, or instinctive as he was last year. Maybe the defenses we have faced have had something to do with that, but I'm not giving him a pass against all five teams we have faced. It seems like the main success we have had this year running Julius is the on draws and delays, where deception plays a role in the success of the play. He seemed to "manufacture" yards on his own last year, but this year (so far) he seems to have lost his instinct. It seems like he is patient when he needs to just turn on the jets and vice versa. Hopefully he will get on back track to be a superior running back.

Julius is averaging over 80 YPG that's 1300 yards in a season.

 

[percyhoward]

What a ridiculous discussion.

If Julius had played the second half against Philly, he would have had 150 yards rushing and we wouldn't be having the discussion.

Come on guys!

Exactly. And don't forget he had 60 yards in the first half in SF, and played the whole second half with a concussion.

 

[koolaid]

Lets cool down on TT, he may be faster than JJ, but in every other category JJ is better

 

[Verdict]

Julius is averaging over 80 YPG that's 1300 yards in a season.

Julius does not seem to be a break away threat like he was last year. Julius has a better QB so that should make him more dangerous than he was last year. I'm not seeing that in him. Outside of the delays and draws he really isn't playing all that well. Without the deception plays he is looking pretty average so far.

 

[dbair1967]

Julius does not seem to be a break away threat like he was last year. Julius has a better QB so that should make him more dangerous than he was last year. I'm not seeing that in him. Outside of the delays and draws he really isn't playing all that well. Without the deception plays he is looking pretty average so far.

yeah, guess it doesnt occur to some of you that keying on Julius Jones might have alot to do with why Bledsoe looks so much better now than he has the past 2 1/2 seasons?

nahhhhh, that couldnt be it

David