Sources: Kevin Durant will be Warriors' top target in free agency

[Manwiththeplan]

He better be because he could mean signing Curry in 2017.

admittedly, I haven't read any of the back and forth, but this jumped out. Signing Durant will not hinder GS signing Curry, Thompson or even Green when he becomes a free agent again because you can always exceed the cap to resign free agents if they have been with you for 3 years uninterrupted. You could argue that maybe the owner chooses not to spend that amount, and I just can not see a player of Curry's value being allowed to leave due to payroll (not cap related) issues.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

admittedly, I haven't read any of the back and forth, but this jumped out. Signing Durant will not hinder GS signing Curry, Thompson or even Green when he becomes a free agent again because you can always exceed the cap to resign free agents if they have been with you for 3 years uninterrupted. You could argue that maybe the owner chooses not to spend that amount, and I just can not see a player of Curry's value being allowed to leave due to payroll (not cap related) issues.

You can do that for a period of only a few years before the penalties become too excessive. Please trust me, I am a Laker Fan and I have seen exactly how this works out. As it is, if they were to sign Durant this year, they would likely have to exceed the soft cap this year so the clock starts this year. This is a young team so it's not as if they probably want to let their young talent go. It would be a problem going forward IMO.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

You can do that for a period of only a few years before the penalties become too excessive. Please trust me, I am a Laker Fan and I have seen exactly how this works out. As it is, if they were to sign Durant this year, they would likely have to exceed the soft cap this year so the clock starts this year. This is a young team so it's not as if they probably want to let their young talent go. It would be a problem going forward IMO.

I guess my thing is, I have yet to see an owner let a player of that caliber walk due to not wanting to pay luxury tax payments. I get they can get excessive, but we have seen teams with massive payrolls year in and year out. Hell, I've seen the knicks with massive payrolls year in and year out and miss the playoffs every season, yet they keep doing it

I can see it costing them Thompson down the road, maybe they'd be forced to deal him, but I can't see Curry or Green being casualties of signing Durant.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I guess my thing is, I have yet to see an owner let a player of that caliber walk due to not wanting to pay luxury tax payments. I get they can get excessive, but we have seen teams with massive payrolls year in and year out. Hell, I've seen the knicks with massive payrolls year in and year out and miss the playoffs every season, yet they keep doing it

I can see it costing them Thompson down the road, maybe they'd be forced to deal him, but I can't see Curry or Green being casualties of signing Durant.

I don't know if it would cost them Curry or not but I know this, signing Durant doesn't make it easier to sign Curry long term and it probably does impact who they can keep or sign in future. If you are Curry, do you stay, knowing that the team can't sign talent? I don't know that answer to that but I would not want to take the chance. I think you think long and hard about signing Durant. He may not be the can't fail signing everybody thinks he will be. Guess we'll see.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I don't know if it would cost them Curry or not but I know this, signing Durant doesn't make it easier to sign Curry long term and it probably does impact who they can keep or sign in future. If you are Curry, do you stay, knowing that the team can't sign talent? I don't know that answer to that but I would not want to take the chance. I think you think long and hard about signing Durant. He may not be the can't fail signing everybody thinks he will be. Guess we'll see.

Lol, nevermind the fact the salary cap is scheduled to increase nearly $100M for the 2017-2018 season.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Lol, nevermind the fact the salary cap is scheduled to increase nearly $100M for the 2017-2018 season.

Actually, I believe the projections suggest that the cap increases from the 70 million to (or whatever it is) to somewhere around 100 Million. I've seen different numbers but the long and short of it is that it will not increase another 100 Million, as you suggest here. It will simply increase to something around that number but so what, the cap will go up but so will players salaries. It's the same basic principle as minimum wage increase. Yeah, it goes up but so do the prices for everything around you. It's not as if players and agents salaries stay static while the cap goes up.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Actually, I believe the projections suggest that the cap increases from the 70 million to (or whatever it is) to somewhere around 100 Million. I've seen different numbers but the long and short of it is that it will not increase another 100 Million, as you suggest here. It will simply increase to something around that number but so what, the cap will go up but so will players salaries. It's the same basic principle as minimum wage increase. Yeah, it goes up but so do the prices for everything around you. It's not as if players and agents salaries stay static while the cap goes up.

Yea, but if you sign Durant now, assuming he signs for 4 years with GS (I think he does a 2 year/1 year option with OKC fwiw), he's locked in at a max deal with what ever the raises are for players switching teams, so when the cap goes up, his salary won't stop them from resigning anyone

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yea, but if you sign Durant now, assuming he signs for 4 years with GS (I think he does a 2 year/1 year option with OKC fwiw), he's locked in at a max deal with what ever the raises are for players switching teams, so when the cap goes up, his salary won't stop them from resigning anyone

It absolutely will. You can't sign them all to max contracts. You may keep Curry, assuming he wants to stay, but you won't keep the other's, who will also be looking for Max Contracts. It doesn't work that way. His contract would incorporate the raise in Cap so it will eventually be a problem for GS. As for Durant, he may or may not sign with GS, I don't know. Let me state my position once again. I don't know that signing Durant would be a good thing for GS for a lot of reasons but, I am not saying that it would be all bad if GS did sign him. I am saying that if he accepts the role of the third option in their Offense and if he can deal with fewer points scored, he could be a really good addition. If he does not, he could hurt their Offense more then help it.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

His contract would incorporate the raise in Cap so it will eventually be a problem for GS.

raises do not go up as the cap does. max contracts have like 5% raises, regardless of how much the cap changes, if at all. So next year we're looking at about a 43% increase (70 mil to 100 mill) and players signed to max deals this offseason, will not see their salaries go up a comparable amount.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Actually, I believe the projections suggest that the cap increases from the 70 million to (or whatever it is) to somewhere around 100 Million. I've seen different numbers but the long and short of it is that it will not increase another 100 Million, as you suggest here. It will simply increase to something around that number but so what, the cap will go up but so will players salaries. It's the same basic principle as minimum wage increase. Yeah, it goes up but so do the prices for everything around you. It's not as if players and agents salaries stay static while the cap goes up.

The projection THE NBA SENT TEAMS was for a $108M salary cap.

You choosing not to believe the information has nothing to do with the reality of what's happening.

, it goes up but so do the prices for everything around you. It's not as if players and agents salaries stay static while the cap goes up.

This is beyond ridiculous now.

This is basic math and an understanding of the NBA cap structure. The new cap figure ~$100M is for the annual salary cap for each respective team 2017-18 and near future. Unless you're suggesting the salaries of all players will simply rise at the same time (which is the only way your notion works) to eat up any new increase, then the notion of "welp, players salaries go up too" is completely off-base because not every player's contract expires nor will rise at the same time as others. The entire talk around the NBA the past two seasons has been about teams looking forward to the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons due to the salary cap increases and the possibility of going after big-name free agents because of it.

Finally, attempting to compare the notion of minimum wage increases to the NBA increasing its annual salary cap is further evidence you're not grasping what's going on here. Your analogy is only relevant if we were talking about an NBA where every player got paid the same minimum wage, as in a hourly pay rate. We know that's not the case. The NBA salary cap increase has everything to do with having extra dollars to sign players to exorbitant short-term contracts.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

raises do not go up as the cap does. max contracts have like 5% raises, regardless of how much the cap changes, if at all. So next year we're looking at about a 43% increase (70 mil to 100 mill) and players signed to max deals this offseason, will not see their salaries go up a comparable amount.

Oh, this is wrong. What I actually think you will see happen is a player do what LeBron is doing. They won't sign Max deals. What they will do is sign a one year contract with player options that allow them to get out of a contract and basically take advantage of increases in cap.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

The projection THE NBA SENT TEAMS was for a $108M salary cap.

You choosing not to believe the information has nothing to do with the reality of what's happening.

You said the cap was increasing by 100 Mil. That is not correct. It is not a matter of me choosing to believe what you are saying. It is a matter of your inability to explain the facts. The cap is increasing, that's true. It is increasing to a number that is projected to be 100 Mil or more. It is not increasing by 100 Mil plus, which is what you clearly said. You said it wrong, just own it.

This is beyond ridiculous now.

This is basic math and an understanding of the NBA cap structure. The new cap figure ~$100M is for the annual salary cap for each respective team 2017-18 and near future. Unless you're suggesting the salaries of all players will simply rise at the same time (which is the only way your notion works) to eat up any new increase, then the notion of "welp, players salaries go up too" is completely off-base because not every player's contract expires nor will rise at the same time as others. The entire talk around the NBA the past two seasons has been about teams looking forward to the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons due to the salary cap increases and the possibility of going after big-name free agents because of it.

Finally, attempting to compare the notion of minimum wage increases to the NBA increasing its annual salary cap is further evidence you're not grasping what's going on here. Your analogy is only relevant if we were talking about an NBA where every player got paid the same minimum wage, as in a hourly pay rate. We know that's not the case. The NBA salary cap increase has everything to do with having extra dollars to sign players to exorbitant short-term contracts.

I'm pretty sure you will see. If you don't want to accept the fact that Salary goes up, then that's on you. I mean, you are already seeing LeBron doing this. If you don't think that every big time player is going to do the same, that's OK with me. Wait and see.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Oh, this is wrong.

No it's not, the raises are a fixed amount based off if you signed with a new team or resigned with your original team. I don't know the 2 percentages off the top of my head, but even when the cap remained stagnant in the past, the raises were fixed. If they increased the amount the cap went up, what would be the advantage of doing the 2 year deal with the 1 year opt out?

What I actually think you will see happen is a player do what LeBron is doing. They won't sign Max deals. What they will do is sign a one year contract with player options that allow them to get out of a contract and basically take advantage of increases in cap.

Lebron, Durant and a few others can do that, the vast majority can't, case in point, guys like Mike Conely signed long term deals, why? Because they may not be worth as much next year.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

No it's not, the raises are a fixed amount based off if you signed with a new team or resigned with your original team. I don't know the 2 percentages off the top of my head, but even when the cap remained stagnant in the past, the raises were fixed. If they increased the amount the cap went up, what would be the advantage of doing the 2 year deal with the 1 year opt out?

I understand that the raises to salaries, under these argremants are fixed. However, it's clear to me that players have already figured out how to get around this. That's what I'm saying. Regardless, teams still have to spend a certain percentage on players salaries so even if we are not talking about a specific player, teams are still going to have to have money tied to players in every year to account for what is, I believe 90% of the cap amount, in any season. I think that whichever way you look at it, the money is going to get spent in a given year so the idea that the cap is going to be there to sign players in out years is still going to have to be managed.

The players who do have the leverage go do what LeBron is doing are fewer, I do agree. Most will do it the way it has been done in the past but if we are talking about KD and Curry, in terms of Golden State so it would be a concern for them IMO.


Lebron, Durant and a few others can do that, the vast majority can't, case in point, guys like Mike Conely signed long term deals, why? Because they may not be worth as much next year.[/quote]

But we are talking about

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I hope Durant gets criticized the way LeBron was for creating a super team.

Hes going to a team that just won and really should have repeated though.
Miami wasn't that team. Plus it was him and too tall bosh.

Also, this reminds me of Philadelphia Phillies loading up on pitching (4 total I think)aces a few years back... Only to stink up the joint for years.

 

[dogunwo]

Hes going to a team that just won and really should have repeated though.
Miami wasn't that team. Plus it was him and too tall bosh.

Also, this reminds me of Philadelphia Phillies loading up on pitching (4 total I think)aces a few years back... Only to stink up the joint for years.

Right. I personally don't care about Durant going to the Warriors, just like I didn't when Lebron or even KG did it. I just don't care for the ridiculous heavy criticism for Lebron while Durant gets handled with kid gloves by the media for some reason. I mean, the local media even retracted a headline because his feelings were hurt by it, and they shouldn't have.

 

[Nightman]

Right. I personally don't care about Durant going to the Warriors, just like I didn't when Lebron or even KG did it. I just don't care for the ridiculous heavy criticism for Lebron while Durant gets handled with kid gloves by the media for some reason. I mean, the local media even retracted a headline because his feelings were hurt by it, and they shouldn't have.

I think Durant is worse because OKC had GS on the ropes and Durant couldn't finish them....now he is joining them....at least take one more shot at winning with Westbrook as the man before selling out and trying to be the 3rd wheel....Durant could have signed a one year deal and still left next year....I would bet anything the Warriors don't approach the 73 wins mark

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I think Durant is worse because OKC had GS on the ropes and Durant couldn't finish them....now he is joining them....at least take one more shot at winning with Westbrook as the man before selling out and trying to be the 3rd wheel....Durant could have signed a one year deal and still left next year....I would bet anything the Warriors don't approach the 73 wins mark

I agree.

Though....

I just don't believe okc gets it done... If he stays...

 

[Manwiththeplan]

...Dwayne Wade to the Cavs? May be happening