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Just like Kirwan's formula to combine all strength and explosioin numbers to tell a better story, I decided to add together several speed and agility times.
I combined 40 time + 10 yard time + short shuttle + 3 Cone drill into one overall number.
Combining all the drills into one number, it should take into account initial speed, top end speed, foot speed, change of direction, fluidity and hip movement. So if a player is a long strider who runs and good 40 time but can't change directions (or vice versa), he would be penalized for it.
Although I think this number is more robust than a single isolated number like a 40 yard dash, this is still a very crude, quick and dirty indicator. Ideally, the times would be weighted by standard deviation. Its more more significant to have a .1 advantage over your competition in the 10 yard dash, where the standard deviation is extremely small, compared to the 40 yard dash. Ernie Simms was really hurt by this, because he really has a great 10 yard dash that was negated. Also, it would be more ideal to have some sort of ratio where you compared a player's time by his body size. Mario Williams is kind of lost in the shuffle, but its important to keep in mind he's being grouped together with people who are 50 lbs. lighter than him.
I only did it for DE's and LB's. I combined them all together for comparison's sake, and them broke them up into positions (which also tends to group them by body type). Bobby Carpenter had to be excluded, because he only ran the 40 at the Ohio State Pro Day.
AJ Hawk - 16.93
Manny Lawson - 17.09
Thomas Howard - 17.22
Mark Anderson - 17.46
Chris Gocong - 17.46
Ernie Sims - 17.59
Chad Greenway - 17.6
DeMarco Ryans - 17.66
Kamerion Wimbley - 17.67
Gerris Wilkinson - 17.74
D'Qwell Jackson - 17.79
Mathias Kiwanuka - 17.8
Abdul Hodge - 17.87
Mario Williams - 17.88
Tim Dobbins - 17.88
Parys Haralson - 18.18
Darryl Tapp - 18.29
Stanley McClover - 18.4
Kai Parham - 18.4
Ray Edwards - 18.76
Traditional OLB's
AJ Hawk - 16.93
Thomas Howard - 17.22
Ernie Sims - 17.59
Chad Greenway - 17.6
DeMarco Ryans - 17.66
Gerris Wilkinson - 17.74
DE's and Tweeners
Manny Lawson - 17.09
Mark Anderson - 17.46
Chris Gocong - 17.46
Kamerion Wimbley - 17.67
Mathias Kiwanuka - 17.8
Mario Williams - 17.88
Parys Haralson - 18.18
Darryl Tapp - 18.29
Stanley McClover - 18.4
Ray Edwards - 18.76
Inside Linebackers
D'Qwell Jackson - 17.79
Abdul Hodge - 17.87
Tim Dobbins - 17.88
Kai Parham - 18.4
Conclusions ...
I've always appreciate his game on the football field, but AJ Hawk really is a far superior raw athlete than I realized. If we had a broader range of historical sampling to go by, anything under 17.00 would probably be considered a freakish number for a LB (like running a 4.3 forty). I think we all knew Lawson would score well, but he really does seem to be in a class by himself as far as tweeners go. I was also impressed by Mark Anderson and Chris Gocong's numbers, both guys are much better athletes than widely believed going into the process. A lot of people say there is no way Kiwi can play 3-4, but I still say he has the athletic ability comparable to many of the other players considered to be 'tweeners' in the draft and his 38 career sacks and 65 career tackle for losses (twice the career numbers of Lawson in the same conference) are worth betting on late in the 1st round if we trade down.
I combined 40 time + 10 yard time + short shuttle + 3 Cone drill into one overall number.
Combining all the drills into one number, it should take into account initial speed, top end speed, foot speed, change of direction, fluidity and hip movement. So if a player is a long strider who runs and good 40 time but can't change directions (or vice versa), he would be penalized for it.
Although I think this number is more robust than a single isolated number like a 40 yard dash, this is still a very crude, quick and dirty indicator. Ideally, the times would be weighted by standard deviation. Its more more significant to have a .1 advantage over your competition in the 10 yard dash, where the standard deviation is extremely small, compared to the 40 yard dash. Ernie Simms was really hurt by this, because he really has a great 10 yard dash that was negated. Also, it would be more ideal to have some sort of ratio where you compared a player's time by his body size. Mario Williams is kind of lost in the shuffle, but its important to keep in mind he's being grouped together with people who are 50 lbs. lighter than him.
I only did it for DE's and LB's. I combined them all together for comparison's sake, and them broke them up into positions (which also tends to group them by body type). Bobby Carpenter had to be excluded, because he only ran the 40 at the Ohio State Pro Day.
AJ Hawk - 16.93
Manny Lawson - 17.09
Thomas Howard - 17.22
Mark Anderson - 17.46
Chris Gocong - 17.46
Ernie Sims - 17.59
Chad Greenway - 17.6
DeMarco Ryans - 17.66
Kamerion Wimbley - 17.67
Gerris Wilkinson - 17.74
D'Qwell Jackson - 17.79
Mathias Kiwanuka - 17.8
Abdul Hodge - 17.87
Mario Williams - 17.88
Tim Dobbins - 17.88
Parys Haralson - 18.18
Darryl Tapp - 18.29
Stanley McClover - 18.4
Kai Parham - 18.4
Ray Edwards - 18.76
Traditional OLB's
AJ Hawk - 16.93
Thomas Howard - 17.22
Ernie Sims - 17.59
Chad Greenway - 17.6
DeMarco Ryans - 17.66
Gerris Wilkinson - 17.74
DE's and Tweeners
Manny Lawson - 17.09
Mark Anderson - 17.46
Chris Gocong - 17.46
Kamerion Wimbley - 17.67
Mathias Kiwanuka - 17.8
Mario Williams - 17.88
Parys Haralson - 18.18
Darryl Tapp - 18.29
Stanley McClover - 18.4
Ray Edwards - 18.76
Inside Linebackers
D'Qwell Jackson - 17.79
Abdul Hodge - 17.87
Tim Dobbins - 17.88
Kai Parham - 18.4
Conclusions ...
I've always appreciate his game on the football field, but AJ Hawk really is a far superior raw athlete than I realized. If we had a broader range of historical sampling to go by, anything under 17.00 would probably be considered a freakish number for a LB (like running a 4.3 forty). I think we all knew Lawson would score well, but he really does seem to be in a class by himself as far as tweeners go. I was also impressed by Mark Anderson and Chris Gocong's numbers, both guys are much better athletes than widely believed going into the process. A lot of people say there is no way Kiwi can play 3-4, but I still say he has the athletic ability comparable to many of the other players considered to be 'tweeners' in the draft and his 38 career sacks and 65 career tackle for losses (twice the career numbers of Lawson in the same conference) are worth betting on late in the 1st round if we trade down.
