Spencer - New contract or not?

[jobberone]

If you can sign him to a friendly deal that allows the club to let him go in 2 or at most 3 years then sure you do it. He'll play until he's 33 or 34 no problem barring injury.

 

[burmafrd]

He's proven to be a run stuffer, capable of getting double digit sacks.

sure. Once every six years he gets double digits. Other then that its a steady 6 per year

 

[SportsGuru80]

He doesn't deserve a huge contract... Along the lines of a Kruger or Dumervil or honestly slightly less would be great.

 

[supercowboy8]

I don't see the reason for signing Spencer long term, I would be fine with letting him play out this year. He is over paid at 10 million but we have enough room now to sign a player or two and all the draft picks. No reason to resign Spencer long term.

Same with cutting Free. I see no reason to release Free June 1st for money. As for play, yes, he doesn't deserve to be that cap hit but we do not need the extra space this year, I would rather keep Free to battle Parnell and not have the 7 million dead money hit next year.

 

[HomerSimpson31]

I'd trade Spencer also. I think we could get a nice pick for him right now. I also look at he along with Ware is 30 and we need to get younger. I'm not saying trade Ware but I don't see shelling out a big load of money for Spencer when we've got so much invested in Ware. I'd rather get some extra picks and build the line along with the offensive line in the draft. We'e already going to have to pay out the butt soon for Dez Bryant.

 

[unionjack8]

I absolutely would not.

Let another team sign a 30 year old player to a multi-year deal. Sometimes you just have to let players go.

I just have a bad feeling that Spencer would be thrown in with Hamlin, Barber, Newman, Flozell and Gurode.

Cut ties with him next year.

pretty much this with the caveat that he shouldnt have been tagged originally, and i like Spencer as a player but learning to walk away is a lesson we NEED to learn.

 

[gimmesix]

With Romo's new contract, the Cowboys have about 5M available cap space now and can free up more after June 1st (Cut of Spears and possibly Free and Livings).

If they cut Free after June 1st they get 7M more under the cap. They get about 1.6M after June 1st due to Spears being a "designated" June 1st cut.

The cost of draft picks is offset by the fact that they replace players already counting against the cap. The max required cap space for the draft picks will be 3M.

That leaves 5M + 7M + 1.6M - 3M = 10.6M available after signing the draft picks.

Summary: Should the Cowboys sign Spencer to a contract if they don't need the cap space that it would free up in 2013?

They could keep Spencer on the Franchise tag this year. There is no reason that they couldn't sign him to a contract next year, if desired.

I brought this up in another thread. I think the Romo deal lessens any urgency to strike one with Spencer and that Dallas would be OK playing him on the franchise tag rather than meeting his demands.

If those demands come down enough, then I'd have no problem with Dallas getting him on the cheap (relatively speaking), but I also have no problem with having him play out the tag to show whether he's a Pro-Bowl defensive end or just a guy at the position.

 

[Hoofbite]

Personally, I'm still hoping for a trade. Maybe on draft day but still doesn't look all too promising.

 

[Q_the_man]

Just saying it's harder to get a sack at LOLB or LDE just because the QB can see you coming and get rid of the ball. I would trade Spencer for a second in a New York minute....

 

[fishspill]

I wouldn't do a deal at this point. I like Spencer as a player, but not enough to see how the draft plays out. If I have a Werner fall to me in the 1st, I start calling around to see if I can get a 4th or 5th for him. I think the lack of contract and the fact that draft picks are never more valuable than during the draft minimizes his value. I don't even know the rules for trading franchised players and what it means for both sides so it may be a moot point. In any event, his contract has to be carefully done with an eye on future expiring contracts that mean much more to this team.

 

[silver]

I wouldn't do a deal at this point. I like Spencer as a player, but not enough to see how the draft plays out. If I have a Werner fall to me in the 1st, I start calling around to see if I can get a 4th or 5th for him. I think the lack of contract and the fact that draft picks are never more valuable than during the draft minimizes his value. I don't even know the rules for trading franchised players and what it means for both sides so it may be a moot point. In any event, his contract has to be carefully done with an eye on future expiring contracts that mean much more to this team.

If we find a replacement on draft day like Werner and we can't find a trading partner for Spencer we can still untag him and cut him. Just because we tagged him doesn't mean we cannot get rid of him. Same with Free, if we find a RT on draft day he's gone.

 

[jjktkk]

I would actually argue that Ware's presence is precisely what should have allowed all the other Cowboys' pass rushers to get more sacks. When the opposing offense has to place that much emphasis on blocking Ware, it should open up opportunities for the other pass rushers.

Your some what right, but remember that in the 3-4 Ware and Spencer do have to play coverage at times. It would be different if they just lined up as a DE exclusively.

 

[gimmesix]

If we find a replacement on draft day like Werner and we can't find a trading partner for Spencer we can still untag him and cut him. Just because we tagged him doesn't mean we cannot get rid of him.

He signed his offer, so Dallas can't cut him. It's either renegotiate, trade him or pay him the tag money this season. (Well, I guess they can cut him, but they'd still have to pay him.)

I'd go with the tag money since Dallas can afford to carry it. If he's playing great during the season, then Dallas can enter serious negotiations.

 

[Beast_from_East]

He signed his offer, so Dallas can't cut him. It's either renegotiate, trade him or pay him the tag money this season. (Well, I guess they can cut him, but they'd still have to pay him.)

I'd go with the tag money since Dallas can afford to carry it. If he's playing great during the season, then Dallas can enter serious negotiations.

Agreed............let him play the season out at DE and lets see if he is going to be worth a new contract in a new defensive scheme. For all we know, he could totally suck at DE and if we give him a contract first, then we are screwed.


Wither you think Romo deserved his contract or not, at least you have a known commodity with Romo, you know what you got and what he can do. We have no idea what Spencer can do at DE, he has not played that postion since college.

So this is not the same situation we were in with Romo, so it would be smart to see what we got with Spencer at DE before we pay him a king's ransom.

 

[Nightman]

He signed his offer, so Dallas can't cut him. It's either renegotiate, trade him or pay him the tag money this season. (Well, I guess they can cut him, but they'd still have to pay him.)

I'd go with the tag money since Dallas can afford to carry it. If he's playing great during the season, then Dallas can enter serious negotiations.

They can only work out an extension until July 15th. After that he is locked in for the year at 10.6m. His tag for 2014 would be 15m. I would rather sign him to a 5 yr deal that easily converts to 3 years for around 7-8m a year. Obviously if he wants more he won't sign an extension, but the market for big name DEs was pretty flat this year. He signed the tag this year very early, so he apparently didn't like the looks of the FA market.

 

[xwalker]

If we find a replacement on draft day like Werner and we can't find a trading partner for Spencer we can still untag him and cut him. Just because we tagged him doesn't mean we cannot get rid of him. Same with Free, if we find a RT on draft day he's gone.

He signed his offer, so Dallas can't cut him. It's either renegotiate, trade him or pay him the tag money this season. (Well, I guess they can cut him, but they'd still have to pay him.)

I'd go with the tag money since Dallas can afford to carry it. If he's playing great during the season, then Dallas can enter serious negotiations.

Yes, you can't "untag" him. This issue has been discussed Ad nauseam.

 

[Vintage]

I would trade him for a 4th if it wipes away his cap franchise #. Crawford is probably as good in a 4-3. Spencer is an unknown and an unknown is not worth of a 10.6 million dollar salary

Spencer is an unknown.... But Crawford is just as good.

Lol....

This board... officially has reached espn status.

 

[respectdatstar]

Wouldn't we have more leverage after the contracts Avril, Bennett and Umenyiora got?

 

[conner01]

I would actually argue that Ware's presence is precisely what should have allowed all the other Cowboys' pass rushers to get more sacks. When the opposing offense has to place that much emphasis on blocking Ware, it should open up opportunities for the other pass rushers.

the reality and history of the nfl shows that thinking is wrong. it does'nt happen

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Yes, have him play out another year under the tag, because that worked out so well for ud ladt year.