Spencer's Contract Year..

[Flinger]

As a SOLB, it seems many on this board see sacks as the most important part of Spencer's job description.

So the question is - How many sacks must Spencer have to yield and say - "hey, this guy is pretty good - let's resign him?"

I'm thinking > 12

Reasoning? - between 8 and 12 would be great, but I think most would say: "not enough, afterall it's a contract year and he would regress once he gets that fat contract".

I think more that 12 would be enough to change perceptions...

So, how many sacks would it take? Where is the flash point in your mind?


For the record - I am a moderate Spencer supporter and think he should be resigned. My reasoning is simply that the job desription of a SOLB is broader than just sacks and he is 'the total package'.

 

[Joshmil53]

~10 or so

 

[bigdnlaca]

Anything over 12 is good if he rushes the passer just as much as Ware. I think 8 or 9 is ok.

 

[Flinger]

Anything over 12 is good if he rushes the passer just as much as Ware. I think 8 or 9 is ok.

But, do you think 8 or 9 would be enough to say - resign him?

 

[CyberB0b]

8-12 is good.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I think with the Cowboys' cap situation, that Spencer will not be resigned... Even if he has 15 sacks.

 

[Flinger]

I think with the Cowboys' cap situation, that Spencer will not be resigned... Even if he has 15 sacks.

Good point...

 

[fifaguy]

With the cap situation, is anyone expecting us to resign him.. Felix Jones or Mikes Jenkins? I just don't see it happening.

Be aware that in 5 seasons with the Cowboys, he has 21.5 sacks. I don't see him just "turning it on" because his contract is up. This is something we have been talking about each year. He HAS been playing for a contract the last couple years, and we didn't extend him then. And just to clarify I don't think he is a bad player, but I just don't see us resigning him...

Also any word on his injury update? Has he practiced at all yet?

 

[JBS]

10 is the barometer

10+ = outstanding
<10 and it's probably not enough

People expecting 12+ are out of their mind

 

[bigdnlaca]

But, do you think 8 or 9 would be enough to say - resign him?

Well, this is a tricky question. If Spencer wants to show how great he is, I think he has to create turnovers and just create a lot of havoc in every game.

Spencer would not only have to have sacks, he has to create turnovers with those sacks (strip). Instead of him being a good run stopper, he has to blow up running plays in the backfield. Instead of covering, he has to deflect passes and get a couple of picks. He has to do everything in order to be resigned.

If he just do his job and don't do nothing special. He won't get signed no matter how many sacks he get. A good example is Curtis Lofton, he was a good run stopper for Atlanta, made a lot of tackles but he didn't create plays and now he is in N.O.

 

[anj113]

I dont see the Cowboys resigning this guy

 

[Flinger]

With the cap situation, is anyone expecting us to resign him.. Felix Jones or Mikes Jenkins? I just don't see it happening.

Be aware that in 5 seasons with the Cowboys, he has 21.5 sacks. I don't see him just "turning it on" because his contract is up. This is something we have been talking about each year. He HAS been playing for a contract the last couple years, and we didn't extend him then. And just to clarify I don't think he is a bad player, but I just don't see us resigning him...

Also any word on his injury update? Has he practiced at all yet?

Ya know - regarding his injury, it's almost as if he's flying under the radar. Not a lot of attention... probably says something...

 

[iceberg]

As a SOLB, it seems many on this board see sacks as the most important part of Spencer's job description.

So the question is - How many sacks must Spencer have to yield and say - "hey, this guy is pretty good - let's resign him?"

I'm thinking > 12

Reasoning? - between 8 and 12 would be great, but I think most would say: "not enough, afterall it's a contract year and he would regress once he gets that fat contract".

I think more that 12 would be enough to change perceptions...

So, how many sacks would it take? Where is the flash point in your mind?

For the record - I am a moderate Spencer supporter and think he should be resigned. My reasoning is simply that the job desription of a SOLB is broader than just sacks and he is 'the total package'.

i'll never understand why the ONLY value some people put on a player is a perceived stat that really isn't what they're there to accomplish.

it's funny how you list how many sacks he must have then as a footnote "but he's more than that".

let's see if he improves vs. the run, where does shine.

counting his sack total is pretty pointless.

 

[Zordon]

probably 15. he needs to play out of this world to get resigned here. i think the cowboys want to go to cheap at the position for a couple of years and devote those funds to other positions.

 

[Cowboy_Shawn]

Most strong side 3-4 OLB don't hit double digit sacks.

I'm fine with him hitting 8. Anything more than that is gravy.

The bigger problem is generating consistent pressure from other positions other than Ware and Spencer.

That is what worries me.

 

[Flinger]

i'll never understand why the ONLY value some people put on a player is a perceived stat that really isn't what they're there to accomplish.

it's funny how you list how many sacks he must have then as a footnote "but he's more than that".

let's see if he improves vs. the run, where does shine.

counting his sack total is pretty pointless.

... I'm pretty sure that I agree with you. Actually - that's my point, as well.

I think way too much emphasis is made about his 'lack' of sacks, given the role he plays.

Having said that, I don't think many people on this board want him back for anything less than some number of sacks. So, I'm simply asking - what is that number?

Finally, MichaelWinicki makes a good point about the cap situation..

 

[iceberg]

... I'm pretty sure that I agree with you. Actually - that's my point, as well.

I think way too much emphasis is made about his 'lack' of sacks, given the role he plays.

Having said that, I don't think many people on this board want him back for anything less than some number of sacks. So, I'm simply asking - what is that number?

Finally, MichaelWinicki makes a good point about the cap situation..

i'd agree with the cap situation. if we can find a way to sign him long term to a more $ friendly deal, i'm ok with that despite the cries of outrage by the people that if it were not this, they'd find something else to rage on about.

we need to quit paying attention to the whiners of the world. their 15 minutes was up long ago.

 

[burmafrd]

Spencers strong area is run defense. Which is getting less and less important.

Main reason why the Club is not interested in signing him long term.

 

[DallasEast]

Most strong side 3-4 OLB don't hit double digit sacks.

I'm fine with him hitting 8. Anything more than that is gravy.

The bigger problem is generating consistent pressure from other positions other than Ware and Spencer.

That is what worries me.

Good post, especially about quarterback pressure from the rest of the defensive front seven besides DeMarcus Ware. However, I think that Anthony Spencer must improve in getting more pressure on the quarterback in his game too.

Not pressure that necessarily ends in sacks, but enough pressure to help collapse the quarterback pocket from the strong side more often. Still, I am concerned that Spencer can step up his game in this aspect and not bite more often on run plays to his side. Too often, he loses contain and diminishes run support by allowing himself to get shielded out of the play. In my opinion, this is a byproduct of being too aggressive thinking quarterback pressure first and run support second.

 

[Cowboy_Shawn]

Spencers strong area is run defense. Which is getting less and less important.

Main reason why the Club is not interested in signing him long term.

What would really help us out is if one of the young OLBs steps up and morphs into a solid starting caliber player. That would free up the need spend money on Spencer or his replacement.

OL should be the first and 2nd priorities next offseason.