Sports Science: Ramsey's mind-boggling range

[endersdragon]

This video really makes me want him. I am imaging him and Jones as our safety duo basically shutting down the deep pass (and both are good tacklers as well, so really shutting down what is in front of them as well). If he can work on and improve his hands at this level he is really going to be special, I just hope the Chargers take Tunsil.

 

[Gaede]

This video really makes me want him. I am imaging him and Jones as our safety duo basically shutting down the deep pass (and both are good tacklers as well, so really shutting down what is in front of them as well). If he can work on and improve his hands at this level he is really going to be special, I just hope the Chargers take Tunsil.

Ugh, I just don't like the idea of drafting yet another corner. OK, him and Jones take away the deep pass, but what difference will that make when we have David Irving as our starting DE? The QB will just throw it to whoever gets uncovered after 5 seconds in a perfect pocket. And even if Jones and Ramsey do get their hands on the ball, chances are it will bounce off of them and harmlessly hit the ground.

Ramsey is good, he's an athlete. I fail to see how drafting him helps us win more games next year. We did this with Newman, with Claiborne, with Jones, with Carr. Adding these guys did little to improve our team and take them to the next level.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Ugh, I just don't like the idea of drafting yet another corner. OK, him and Jones take away the deep pass, but what difference will that make when we have David Irving as our starting DE? The QB will just throw it to whoever gets uncovered after 5 seconds in a perfect pocket. And even if Jones and Ramsey do get their hands on the ball, chances are it will bounce off of them and harmlessly hit the ground.

Ramsey is good, he's an athlete. I fail to see how drafting him helps us win more games next year. We did this with Newman, with Claiborne, with Jones, with Carr. Adding these guys did nothing to improve our team and take them to the next level.

Who says david irving cant play? He has talent and we have the supposed dline whisperer.

 

[Gaede]

Who says david irving cant play? He has talent and we have the supposed dline whisperer.

There we go again, telling ourselves that we don't need to pay attention to certain positions because our superstar coaches will coach up the players we picked up from the clearance section. This line of thought is the front office's MO.

 

[endersdragon]

Ugh, I just don't like the idea of drafting yet another corner. OK, him and Jones take away the deep pass, but what difference will that make when we have David Irving as our starting DE? The QB will just throw it to whoever gets uncovered after 5 seconds in a perfect pocket.

Ramsey is good, he's an athlete. I fail to see how drafting him helps us win more games next year. We did this with Newman, with Claiborne, with Jones, with Carr. Adding these guys did nothing to improve our team and take them to the next level.

You draft for need, you are going to have bad drafts. Take BPA any day of the week. I really wouldn't mind Bosa that much either if we feel he is BPA, but drafting a guy who isn't BPA seems silly. BTW I think we have drafted DE (or more specifically pass rushers so I am including Ware and Scandrick in that as they were both college DEs and would have (and eventually did) played that position in pros if we had (and eventually did) run a 4-3) in the first round more than any other position in the past 20 years, and we did just try out Hardy, and he really didn't help out much.

 

[endersdragon]

There we go again, telling ourselves that we don't need to pay attention to certain positions because our superstar coaches will coach up the players we picked up from the clearance section. This line of thought is the front office's MO.

Didn't we go DE at the beginning of the 2nd round in each of the past two years, one of those guys (D-Law) really came on strong at the end of last year? Beyond that we signed Hardy last year (for quite a lot of money) and he did absolutely nothing positive for our team. Furthermore, we signed a pretty good 1-tech this offseason, and still have a good 3-tech (I know it's cool to hate Crawford, but I really don't get it, he was like 8th in the league in sacks for DTs last year and he isn't that bad against the run). I don't get why everyone says we haven't tried anything on the d-line, you could say that what we have been trying isn't working, but we have tried a lot.

 

[Gaede]

You draft for need, you are going to have bad drafts. Take BPA any day of the week. I really wouldn't mind Bosa that much either if we feel he is BPA, but drafting a guy who isn't BPA seems silly. BTW I think we have drafted DE (or more specifically pass rushers so I am including Ware and Scandrick in that as they were both college DEs and would have (and eventually did) played that position in pros if we had (and eventually did) run a 4-3) in the first round more than any other position in the past 20 years, and we did just try out Hardy, and he really didn't help out much.

I don't think Ramsey or Bosa are BPA. That's where we disagree.

 

[endersdragon]

I don't think Ramsey or Bosa are BPA. That's where we disagree.

Then who is? Zeke? Tunsil? If you want a pass rusher from everything I have seen Bosa is your BPA

 

[Gaede]

Then who is? Zeke? Tunsil? If you want a pass rusher from everything I have seen Bosa is your BPA

I want Zeke. He's the best player available.

If we go pass rusher, I'd rather have Buckner. At least he'll have an impact on the defense.

 

[conner01]

I don't think Ramsey or Bosa are BPA. That's where we disagree.

That's the problem with BPA
It's an opinion
The majority of teams a bet have them ranked in the top 5

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I always hear about the BPA vs need argument, or the BPA by tier argument... The way I usually look it at (especially when I'm doing mock drafts) is, if you wait another round to pick a player at the same position, how big of a drop off will it be? We can get Bosa at #4 or we can wait till 34 for a DE. Who might be there? Dodd, Ogbah, Calhoun, maybe Spence in a stunning drop. How much better is Bosa than these guys? What about RB? How much better is Elliott than Henry, Booker, Dixon, Perkins? How much better is Rankins than Butler, Clark, Day, Ridgeway? You could argue Karl Joseph (my biggest pet cat) could have the better career, but he doesn't even come close to Ramsey from an athletic standpoint. So my question when I draft in the 1st round is, which position will have the biggest drop-off in talent in the 2nd round. Then in the 2nd round I ask, which position will have the biggest drop-off in talent in the 3rd round. And so on, and so on.

 

[bayeslife]

I don't think Ramsey or Bosa are BPA. That's where we disagree.

You don't think Ramsey is BPA? Against the word of literally every professional NFL scout?

 

[stilltheguru88]

There we go again, telling ourselves that we don't need to pay attention to certain positions because our superstar coaches will coach up the players we picked up from the clearance section. This line of thought is the front office's MO.

I want to draft a dt round 2. Im not interested in seeing a noah spemce get punked on the edge with his 6'2 252 lb frame. Give me a big agile beast like Austin johnson

 

[texbumthelife]

"mind-boggling range" yet only three picks. That tells me he lacks coverage ability and instincts.

 

[endersdragon]

"mind-boggling range" yet only three picks. That tells me he lacks coverage ability and instincts.

From what I have seen, it's more that he lacks hands. Pretty much everyone agrees that he has great instincts (you don't have 10 TFL in a season as a CB without great instincts), and the only problem I have heard about with his coverage ability is that he has some slight problems with backpedaling. The problem is, most of the time when he does have a shot at a pick he drops it, but that is something that you can work on.

 

[noletime95]

"mind-boggling range" yet only three picks. That tells me he lacks coverage ability and instincts.

Lacks coverage ability? You serious?

 

[endersdragon]

Lacks coverage ability? You serious?

People like to obsess over one stat, forgetting that there is far more to the whole player.

 

[Jake0]

Patrick Peterson only had 7 picks in 39 LSU games, Mo Claiborne had 11 picks in 33 LSU games. HMMMM I wonder why Mo had way more opportunity for picks? Clearly Mo Claiborne is the better player here. Need INTs bro.

 

[Western]

Ugh, I just don't like the idea of drafting yet another corner. OK, him and Jones take away the deep pass, but what difference will that make when we have David Irving as our starting DE? The QB will just throw it to whoever gets uncovered after 5 seconds in a perfect pocket. And even if Jones and Ramsey do get their hands on the ball, chances are it will bounce off of them and harmlessly hit the ground.

Ramsey is good, he's an athlete. I fail to see how drafting him helps us win more games next year. We did this with Newman, with Claiborne, with Jones, with Carr. Adding these guys did little to improve our team and take them to the next level.

Excellent point.

Offenses will attack the weakest link in the opposing team's pass defense.
With 3-5 WR/TE sets, smart offensive coordinator's and good NFL QB's (unlike the caliber of QB's in the ACC) will game plan & execute pass plays aimed at open receivers who are typically covered by the 'weakest' & most vulnerable CB.
Ramsey can only cover/blanket 1 WR and the QB will simply avoid throwing the ball in his direction -- what impact does that make on the defense to warrant a #4 selection, especially with a weak pass rush?
Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Aaron Rogers, Ben Roethlisberger etc. are smart enough and given time, will find and hit the open receiver (usually covered by Carr, Claiborne, etc.) with the many receiver options available in the passing game.

One thing, however those QB's fear is the lack of time and a collapsing pocket in delivering the ball ~ all of which in my opinion points to Bosa as the more valuable impact option at #4.
Bosa's consistent force at DE -- notwithstanding his ability to hold the edge and halt the running game which also is an asset (by the way is Ramsey a consistent run-stuffer at the line of scrimmage? I think not) should impact the team at a much higher level than Ramsey's athletic abilities at corner or safety.

 

[DFWJC]

The fact that he's 9 inches shorter than LeBron but only comes up 1/2 inch short on max vertical reach IS mind-boggling.