Sprinkling in some Tempo Offense

[KMY_Amber]

Why do the Cowboys run a tempo offense, only to throw a quick 2-yard route in the flat? What is the purpose of running a no-huddle offense, only to throw the ball into the flat with a defender nearby? And Dak's not even waiting for anything to develop downfield, he just looks right over to the flat and throws it to whoever is there.


Come on, Dak and McCarthy...such short throws in the Tempo offense provide NO THREAT to a defense that may be a bit winded or reeling a bit. If that's all you got, then just huddle up.

Or, maybe I'm missing something. Has anyone seen in the All-22 film some open receivers downfield in the tempo offense that Dak is missing? Sometimes I think he's just settling too early for the 2-yard, well-covered flat pass, hoping the receiver will break a tackle from a defender bearing down on them.

 

[jazzcat22]

Could be they are still trying to figure all of that out. Since they had no reps other than practice during TC.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Why do the Cowboys run a tempo offense, only to throw a quick 2-yard route in the flat? What is the purpose of running a no-huddle offense, only to throw the ball into the flat with a defender nearby? And Dak's not even waiting for anything to develop downfield, he just looks right over to the flat and throws it to whoever is there.


Come on, Dak and McCarthy...such short throws in the Tempo offense provide NO THREAT to a defense that may be a bit winded or reeling a bit. If that's all you got, then just huddle up.

Or, maybe I'm missing something. Has anyone seen in the All-22 film some open receivers downfield in the tempo offense that Dak is missing? Sometimes I think he's just settling too early for the 2-yard, well-covered flat pass, hoping the receiver will break a tackle from a defender bearing down on them.

I LOVE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I call this a WASTED play every time we do it!!!!!! Can we not just throw it out of bounds, we do all that for a quick short nothing nothing play, it's useless. We used to do this with zeke last year i'm like damn just throw it away for all that!!

 

[Coogiguy03]

Could be they are still trying to figure all of that out. Since they had no reps other than practice during TC.

I'm buying that to a degree, how long does it take to grasp this???? Do they not also study, practicing is one part of learning

 

[blueblood70]

Why do the Cowboys run a tempo offense, only to throw a quick 2-yard route in the flat? What is the purpose of running a no-huddle offense, only to throw the ball into the flat with a defender nearby? And Dak's not even waiting for anything to develop downfield, he just looks right over to the flat and throws it to whoever is there.


Come on, Dak and McCarthy...such short throws in the Tempo offense provide NO THREAT to a defense that may be a bit winded or reeling a bit. If that's all you got, then just huddle up.

Or, maybe I'm missing something. Has anyone seen in the All-22 film some open receivers downfield in the tempo offense that Dak is missing? Sometimes I think he's just settling too early for the 2-yard, well-covered flat pass, hoping the receiver will break a tackle from a defender bearing down on them.

Because sometimes plays breakdown maybe if you're watching the game you'd see about four different jailbreaks where there was a player uncovered running straight at Prescott he had no time to throw there were open dudes there are a lot of plays like that sometimes it just doesn't work because it didn't get blocked somebody missed a block somebody jumped off sides you get behind the chains I mean can we stop complaining about a three in one team that has been moving the ball at will with that close to 500 yards of offense and that's all people can do is complain complain complain can you complain or stop telling a season Super Bowl winning head coach who's been calling plays in my opinion way better than Kellen Moore he is controlling games he is helping the defense these long drives of his without the uptempo has helped this defense tremendously you don't understand what Kellen Moore used to wear this defense out with his constant passing and him wanting to build up stats...

So let's jump back and allow our Super Bowl head coach who had back-to-back twelve win season has us on pace for another 12 win season alone leave him alone stop trying to be a coach you're not a coach and you're also not a very good fan in my opinion your your opinion is like all over the place you don't know anything you look at 2 plays and then that's your thing

again not waiting because he hasn't had time there has not been a starting offensive lineman right now all five have not been on the field they're banged up they're hurt even the ones that showed back up today we're limping.. When you have to have something develop downfield you have to have time and we haven't had the time so he's had to get the ball off or do you want him just to hold on to it take a sack fumble or throw an interception is that what you want is it that's why you can come in here and complain!!!@@!!@!!@!!

 

[Coogiguy03]

Why do the Cowboys run a tempo offense, only to throw a quick 2-yard route in the flat? What is the purpose of running a no-huddle offense, only to throw the ball into the flat with a defender nearby? And Dak's not even waiting for anything to develop downfield, he just looks right over to the flat and throws it to whoever is there.


Come on, Dak and McCarthy...such short throws in the Tempo offense provide NO THREAT to a defense that may be a bit winded or reeling a bit. If that's all you got, then just huddle up.

Or, maybe I'm missing something. Has anyone seen in the All-22 film some open receivers downfield in the tempo offense that Dak is missing? Sometimes I think he's just settling too early for the 2-yard, well-covered flat pass, hoping the receiver will break a tackle from a defender bearing down on them.

On other plays I guess the play will be designed to go to said player, said player is COVERED, we will still throw the ball to that player, I hate it, just throw it away

 

[Coogiguy03]

Because sometimes plays breakdown maybe if you're watching the game you'd see about four different jailbreaks where there was a player uncovered running straight at Prescott he had no time to throw there were open dudes there are a lot of plays like that sometimes it just doesn't work because it didn't get blocked somebody missed a block somebody jumped off sides you get behind the chains I mean can we stop complaining about a three in one team that has been moving the ball at will with that close to 500 yards of offense and that's all people can do is complain complain complain can you complain or stop telling a season Super Bowl winning head coach who's been calling plays in my opinion way better than Kellen Moore he is controlling games he is helping the defense these long drives of his without the uptempo has helped this defense tremendously you don't understand what Kellen Moore used to wear this defense out with his constant passing and him wanting to build up stats...

So let's jump back and allow our Super Bowl head coach who had back-to-back twelve win season has us on pace for another 12 win season alone leave him alone stop trying to be a coach you're not a coach and you're also not a very good fan in my opinion your your opinion is like all over the place you don't know anything you look at 2 plays and then that's your thing

again not waiting because he hasn't had time there has not been a starting offensive lineman right now all five have not been on the field they're banged up they're hurt even the ones that showed back up today we're limping.. When you have to have something develop downfield you have to have time and we haven't had the time so he's had to get the ball off or do you want him just to hold on to it take a sack fumble or throw an interception is that what you want is it that's why you can come in here and complain!!!@@!!@!!@!!

Here goes another one always saying someone is complaining, you all get on my nerves with that. So we're not allowed to come on here and exercise how we feel as long as we're not violating the board rules???

 

[blueblood70]

Could be they are still trying to figure all of that out. Since they had no reps other than practice during TC.

Or more simply the game is dictating these plays I mean I don't understand how you can't simply look at what's been going on with the games and the offensive line has not been holding up long enough for stuff down the field.. That's as simple as it gets our starting five offensive lineman have not yet seen the field at the same time and even the ones that are made it back this week are still banged up they're limping it's very obvious we are not very good up front to have the time to sit back like I don't know the Philadelphia Eagles I think I could play quarterback for them those holes for the running backs and the time that pockets the best pocket I've ever seen we have not had that on our line the Eagles have a distinct advantage in the NFL right now because they can make anything work on offense because they're lying is dominant I mean absolutely the best offensive line in football right now is the Philadelphia Eagles... That's our problem both short yardage long yardage downfield up tempo slow tempo is they need to get the ball off quick because our line is not holding up..

Hopefully that will overtime right itself and then we will have to worry about people complaining even though we have 108 to 13 point differential we had 500 yards of offense almost and are scoring a lot of points and we're winning games and we're three in one and yet we see posts like this that gets annoying it's just ridiculous that there's all these professional coaches and GM's on this site that somehow don't have jobs in the NFL..

 

[Captain-Crash]

come on now, they should have tried out this crap in the preseason but we didn't want everybody to get hurt as they did in the regular season. LOL....

 

[Coogiguy03]

come on now, they should have tried out this crap in the preseason but we didn't want everybody to get hurt as they did in the regular season. LOL....

We didn't want to show anything lol

 

[Coogiguy03]

Or more simply the game is dictating these plays I mean I don't understand how you can't simply look at what's been going on with the games and the offensive line has not been holding up long enough for stuff down the field.. That's as simple as it gets our starting five offensive lineman have not yet seen the field at the same time and even the ones that are made it back this week are still banged up they're limping it's very obvious we are not very good up front to have the time to sit back like I don't know the Philadelphia Eagles I think I could play quarterback for them those holes for the running backs and the time that pockets the best pocket I've ever seen we have not had that on our line the Eagles have a distinct advantage in the NFL right now because they can make anything work on offense because they're lying is dominant I mean absolutely the best offensive line in football right now is the Philadelphia Eagles... That's our problem both short yardage long yardage downfield up tempo slow tempo is they need to get the ball off quick because our line is not holding up..

Hopefully that will overtime right itself and then we will have to worry about people complaining even though we have 108 to 13 point differential we had 500 yards of offense almost and are scoring a lot of points and we're winning games and we're three in one and yet we see posts like this that gets annoying it's just ridiculous that there's all these professional coaches and GM's on this site that somehow don't have jobs in the NFL..

Get this guy a beer or something, he's extra grumpy grumpy this morning!!! Lol, coog is never grumpy, just negative!!!!!

 

[jazzcat22]

Or more simply the game is dictating these plays I mean I don't understand how you can't simply look at what's been going on with the games and the offensive line has not been holding up long enough for stuff down the field.. That's as simple as it gets our starting five offensive lineman have not yet seen the field at the same time and even the ones that are made it back this week are still banged up they're limping it's very obvious we are not very good up front to have the time to sit back like I don't know the Philadelphia Eagles I think I could play quarterback for them those holes for the running backs and the time that pockets the best pocket I've ever seen we have not had that on our line the Eagles have a distinct advantage in the NFL right now because they can make anything work on offense because they're lying is dominant I mean absolutely the best offensive line in football right now is the Philadelphia Eagles... That's our problem both short yardage long yardage downfield up tempo slow tempo is they need to get the ball off quick because our line is not holding up..

Hopefully that will overtime right itself and then we will have to worry about people complaining even though we have 108 to 13 point differential we had 500 yards of offense almost and are scoring a lot of points and we're winning games and we're three in one and yet we see posts like this that gets annoying it's just ridiculous that there's all these professional coaches and GM's on this site that somehow don't have jobs in the NFL..

Who is complaining? It was a good question, and fans give an answer. And all you want to do is say they are complaining.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Who is complaining? It was a good question, and fans give an answer. And all you want to do is say they are complaining.

Feels good being on the other side!!

 

[CowboyRoy]

Why do the Cowboys run a tempo offense, only to throw a quick 2-yard route in the flat? What is the purpose of running a no-huddle offense, only to throw the ball into the flat with a defender nearby? And Dak's not even waiting for anything to develop downfield, he just looks right over to the flat and throws it to whoever is there.


Come on, Dak and McCarthy...such short throws in the Tempo offense provide NO THREAT to a defense that may be a bit winded or reeling a bit. If that's all you got, then just huddle up.

Or, maybe I'm missing something. Has anyone seen in the All-22 film some open receivers downfield in the tempo offense that Dak is missing? Sometimes I think he's just settling too early for the 2-yard, well-covered flat pass, hoping the receiver will break a tackle from a defender bearing down on them.

You are missing something. A lot of times the up tempo is to force the defense to keep the same players on the field and limit their substitutions.

You can get advantages that way. In blowouts the Cowboys are looking to maintain possession, run down the clock and be more conservative. Shorter passes, move the chains rather than scoring quickly, dropping back for possible sacks and airing it out.

So you complain when he is forcing it in deep going for the big play too often and now you complain when he is taking the safer, better decision in a blowout?

Must suck to watch a football game and see it only through the lens of what the QB is doing or not doing. But most fans actually do that. They watch the QB only and think everything that happens is either a bad play by the QB or a good play. What the other 10 players are doing is meaningless to them.

If the QB gets sacked its because he didnt get rid of the ball. If he holds the ball too long its because guys were open all over the place and he just figured not throwing it was the best thing to do. LOL

Kinda like if a RB gets stuffed behind the line because the line cant block they often blame the RB.

 

[blueblood70]

Who is complaining? It was a good question, and fans give an answer. And all you want to do is say they are complaining.

I don't think it is a good question because there is no issue there isn't an issue absolutely not you notice one or two plays a game that you want to come on and talk about when you're really in the end it's not an issue!


I don't even think the red zone is really an issue not right now..... I mean let's get to the point where a game gets tight and in the red zone stuff actually cost us a game but in the meantime it has not....

just like that interception in game one, that meant nothing in the grand scheme of things it was a forced ball because there was nothing else to do with it and the game was already over anyway but when people want to just talk about it like it was a problem it is not a problem... get it??!

people are cherry picking a play here or there without context, I mean did you not read my response they didn't see the jailbreak when there's not good blocking and not enough time to throw it's easily explained, and it didn't need its own thread. Again I think a 5 year old could explain why some of those plays are not working and where they'll get them cleaned up and they will be working that's my point...

and let me say it again it did not need its own thread because it's not really an issue every team has breakdowns, and every team has little issues here and there they'll clean up after they watch film but it's not insidious it's not a big problem it's nothing they can't overcome.

I mean maybe we should just bring up the turf again did anyone below an ACL?? I mean did anyone have a major injury yesterday ?? I mean we should bring up the turf monster.. I mean did anyone get blinded did we did we need drapes??? do we need to I need to start new threads on every one of these things to make sure I get noticed on here.​

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lmao there are game threads and there are post game reactions that you can add this stuff to my point is these are not big enough issues to have their own threat that's why it's complaining IMHO ​

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

Without seeing specific plays the point is really hard to understand.

If they're going tempo on third and short, it's because they have personnel matchups they like. That wouldn't necessarily be a shot play. If they're doing it on first and 10, they might hope to get a matchup and just go quickly to the checkdown if the defense doesn't give the look they want.

I don't think the fundamental idea of Tempo>Short Pass is problematic.

 

[jazzcat22]

I don't think it is a good question because there is no issue there isn't an issue absolutely not you notice one or two plays a game that you want to come on and talk about when you're really in the end it's not an issue!


I don't even think the red zone is really an issue not right now..... I mean let's get to the point where a game gets tight and in the red zone stuff actually cost us a game but in the meantime it has not....

just like that interception in game one, that meant nothing in the grand scheme of things it was a forced ball because there was nothing else to do with it and the game was already over anyway but when people want to just talk about it like it was a problem it is not a problem... get it??!

people are cherry picking a play here or there without context, I mean did you not read my response they didn't see the jailbreak when there's not good blocking and not enough time to throw it's easily explained, and it didn't need its own thread. Again I think a 5 year old could explain why some of those plays are not working and where they'll get them cleaned up and they will be working that's my point...

and let me say it again it did not need its own thread because it's not really an issue every team has breakdowns, and every team has little issues here and there they'll clean up after they watch film but it's not insidious it's not a big problem it's nothing they can't overcome.

I mean maybe we should just bring up the turf again did anyone below an ACL?? I mean did anyone have a major injury yesterday ?? I mean we should bring up the turf monster.. I mean did anyone get blinded did we did we need drapes??? do we need to I need to start new threads on every one of these things to make sure I get noticed on here.​

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lmao there are game threads and there are post game reactions that you can add this stuff to my point is these are not big enough issues to have their own threat that's why it's complaining IMHO ​

Wow, you feel better now? You are still off base.
NO ONE IS COMPLAINING.

 

[blueblood70]

Wow, you feel better now? You are still off base.
NO ONE IS COMPLAINING.

No I don't I'm not done sorry I'm sick of coming in after wins and have to do the same thing after a loss it's pathetic that's what it is it's actually pathetic I'm not off base I'm telling you it has its place and he wants to be within the debate of the postgame or other areas that does not need its own post it's not that glaring of a issue no issue in my opinion you wanna keep this going because I can keep it going all day I plan to make this a priority... I'm really sick of all the posts and the negativity after wins they feel like losses to me really they do the fan base just needs something to gripe about they need to whine they need to give their input so they make these really odd stand alone post about nothing really this is about nothing...

 

[KMY_Amber]

You are missing something. A lot of times the up tempo is to force the defense to keep the same players on the field and limit their substitutions.

You can get advantages that way. In blowouts the Cowboys are looking to maintain possession, run down the clock and be more conservative. Shorter passes, move the chains rather than scoring quickly, dropping back for possible sacks and airing it out.

So you complain when he is forcing it in deep going for the big play too often and now you complain when he is taking the safer, better decision in a blowout?

Must suck to watch a football game and see it only through the lens of what the QB is doing or not doing. But most fans actually do that. They watch the QB only and think everything that happens is either a bad play by the QB or a good play. What the other 10 players are doing is meaningless to them.

If the QB gets sacked its because he didnt get rid of the ball. If he holds the ball too long its because guys were open all over the place and he just figured not throwing it was the best thing to do. LOL

Kinda like if a RB gets stuffed behind the line because the line cant block they often blame the RB.

Understood, Roy

So, when the point of the Tempo Offense (no-huddle) is to prevent the defense from substitutions, and then you call a quick play to get a first down by catching the defense off guard, I understand that.

And McCarthy is not going to run Tempo in a blowout, unless it's to get a 3rd and short or something to keep the defense from substituting, because the purpose is to use the clock, not run plays that use little time.

But in the few games, McCarthy and Dak go to a Tempo Offense after getting the first down, so then on 1st and 10, it's a pass play, and I guess the immediate read downfield is covered, so then it's just a dump off to the flat for 2 yards. Yes, it prevents a sack and such, which is good. But if you're running Tempo, and you don't have a good play action play called or some play design called to get someone downfield 1-on-1 (or better yet, OPEN because of the play structure), then it's just wasted Tempo. The McCarthy/Dak Tempo Offense never seems to produce much, unless it's at the of the first half.

So, no, I'm not complaining about Dak not forcing a deep throw, and no, I'm not one of those fans who think that only one person is at fault for each bad play.

But, I AM complaining (yes, blueblood, I am indeed complaining ) about McCarthy and Dak running a Tempo Offense on 1st and 10, dropping back to pass, and then either not letting the play develop for a longer play downfield, or just immediately looking to the flat, as if the primary receiver was a 2-yard flat, I guess hoping the defense wouldn't cover the receiver in the flat so there was a chance for YAC. I don't know WHOSE fault it is, but I'm looking at McCarthy who's the architect, so he needs to find a way through play design to get someone open downfield (and it doesn't need to be a bomb) for at least a 10- to 20-yard throw. And I'm looking at Dak who runs tempo, looks downfield for .5 seconds (with no pressure around him yet), and then just dumps it off to the flat for 2 yards. Hec, if Dak is that scared to hold onto the ball (if you don't trust the o-line), OK, I get it....then DON'T RUN TEMPO ON FIRST DOWN THEN. There's no need, if there's not a good chance of taking advantage of the defensive personnel on the field. Just huddle up. Sheesh! One time, Dak ran Tempo, and didn't even look downfield, he immediately looked at the flat.

I need a bit more creativity out of McCarthy and Dak. If the downfield throw isn't there and the Dee line is breaking free, then all Dak has to do is airmail it over everyone's head in the flat and line back up for 2nd and 10. No need to even try to force a well-covered 2-yard flat pass at that point. And if the flat is open for the 2-yard gain, take it.

I'm just trying to understand their thought process for running Tempo after getting a 1st down, only to not take advantage of the defensive personnel...and just throwing a quick pass in the flat for little yardage. That posed no threat to the defense, even though you kept the "tired", 3rd down personnel on the field.

 

[blueblood70]

Understood, Roy

So, when the point of the Tempo Offense (no-huddle) is to prevent the defense from substitutions, and then you call a quick play to get a first down by catching the defense off guard, I understand that.

And McCarthy is not going to run Tempo in a blowout, unless it's to get a 3rd and short or something to keep the defense from substituting, because the purpose is to use the clock, not run plays that use little time.

But in the few games, McCarthy and Dak go to a Tempo Offense after getting the first down, so then on 1st and 10, it's a pass play, and I guess the immediate read downfield is covered, so then it's just a dump off to the flat for 2 yards. Yes, it prevents a sack and such, which is good. But if you're running Tempo, and you don't have a good play action play called or some play design called to get someone downfield 1-on-1 (or better yet, OPEN because of the play structure), then it's just wasted Tempo. The McCarthy/Dak Tempo Offense never seems to produce much, unless it's at the of the first half.

So, no, I'm not complaining about Dak not forcing a deep throw, and no, I'm not one of those fans who think that only one person is at fault for each bad play.

But, I AM complaining (yes, blueblood, I am indeed complaining ) about McCarthy and Dak running a Tempo Offense on 1st and 10, dropping back to pass, and then either not letting the play develop for a longer play downfield, or just immediately looking to the flat, as if the primary receiver was a 2-yard flat, I guess hoping the defense wouldn't cover the receiver in the flat so there was a chance for YAC. I don't know WHOSE fault it is, but I'm looking at McCarthy who's the architect, so he needs to find a way through play design to get someone open downfield (and it doesn't need to be a bomb) for at least a 10- to 20-yard throw. And I'm looking at Dak who runs tempo, looks downfield for .5 seconds (with no pressure around him yet), and then just dumps it off to the flat for 2 yards. Hec, if Dak is that scared to hold onto the ball (if you don't trust the o-line), OK, I get it....then DON'T RUN TEMPO ON FIRST DOWN THEN. There's no need, if there's not a good chance of taking advantage of the defensive personnel on the field. Just huddle up. Sheesh! One time, Dak ran Tempo, and didn't even look downfield, he immediately looked at the flat.

I need a bit more creativity out of McCarthy and Dak. If the downfield throw isn't there and the Dee line is breaking free, then all Dak has to do is airmail it over everyone's head in the flat and line back up for 2nd and 10. No need to even try to force a well-covered 2-yard flat pass at that point. And if the flat is open for the 2-yard gain, take it.

I'm just trying to understand their thought process for running Tempo after getting a 1st down, only to not take advantage of the defensive personnel...and just throwing a quick pass in the flat for little yardage. That posed no threat to the defense, even though you kept the "tired", 3rd down personnel on the field.

100% spot on bro! And there's a reason also when that dump down has to happen is when you have a jailbreak right at the quarterback which just happened more often than not lately so their intentions might have been up tempo get something deep and it's either gonna be a sack or a quick dump off..