Sprinkling in some Tempo Offense

[Adiba1977]

One time we did it sucked. Dumb wr screen to gallop???? Stop the foolishness

 

[KMY_Amber]

100% spot on bro! And there's a reason also when that dump down has to happen is when you have a jailbreak right at the quarterback which just happened more often than not lately so their intentions might have been up tempo get something deep and it's either gonna be a sack or a quick dump off..

Understood when it's a necessary dump off to the flat, BB. But this is seemingly running Tempo on 1st down, to take advantage of the area in the flat. It just feels like a wasted opportunity to keep the defensive personnel on the field, primarily hoping for a broken coverage or broken tackle in the flat.

Now, if McCarthy is designing a downfield throw when Tempo is called, and Dak just never lets it develop, then that's on Dak. The flat throw will always be there, so if the o-line is playing well, or the defensive doesn't have their pass rush experts on the field (not able to substitute), then trust the o-line and look downfield. And if you don't trust the o-line anyway, then just huddle up and run a solid play.

I don't know what the intent of these purposeful 2-yard flat passes after Tempo. Hec, the Cowboys did it twice...stayed in Tempo, and then threw two consecutive 2-yard flat passes....so after all of that, it was still 3rd and 6.

 

[KMY_Amber]

One time we did it sucked. Dumb wr screen to gallop???? Stop the foolishness

Same as a flat pass to me... If you're going Tempo, let's find something at least 10 yards downfield, sheesh! The flat areas ain't fooling anybody during Tempo, at least the Cowboys flat passes ain't.

 

[blueblood70]

Understood when it's a necessary dump off to the flat, BB. But this is seemingly running Tempo on 1st down, to take advantage of the area in the flat. It just feels like a wasted opportunity to keep the defensive personnel on the field, primarily hoping for a broken coverage or broken tackle in the flat.

Now, if McCarthy is designing a downfield throw when Tempo is called, and Dak just never lets it develop, then that's on Dak. The flat throw will always be there, so if the o-line is playing well, or the defensive doesn't have their pass rush experts on the field (not able to substitute), then trust the o-line and look downfield. And if you don't trust the o-line anyway, then just huddle up and run a solid play.

I don't know what the intent of these purposeful 2-yard flat passes after Tempo. Hec, the Cowboys did it twice...stayed in Tempo, and then threw two consecutive 2-yard flat passes....so after all of that, it was still 3rd and 6.

It's only wasted if you lose a game when you went out 38 to three when you have a point differential of 108 to 13 I'm sorry there's just nothing to complain about and people are just trying to create issues that are not there every game takes on a story of its own it's all situational football it's all been very different these last four games it will keep being very different from week to week let's just see where this three in one start takes us that is the long and short of it how many teams right now are better than us record wise just two correct so that means we are right there in the running right where our goals are still on track

let the coaches and the players worry about what they may or may not need to fix you guys are hilarious

 

[Gambit]

I'm buying that to a degree, how long does it take to grasp this???? Do they not also study, practicing is one part of learning

Nope never. Only professional team to never study or practice, yet have injuries occur in practice. It's the oddest thing.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Understood, Roy

So, when the point of the Tempo Offense (no-huddle) is to prevent the defense from substitutions, and then you call a quick play to get a first down by catching the defense off guard, I understand that.

And McCarthy is not going to run Tempo in a blowout, unless it's to get a 3rd and short or something to keep the defense from substituting, because the purpose is to use the clock, not run plays that use little time.

But in the few games, McCarthy and Dak go to a Tempo Offense after getting the first down, so then on 1st and 10, it's a pass play, and I guess the immediate read downfield is covered, so then it's just a dump off to the flat for 2 yards. Yes, it prevents a sack and such, which is good. But if you're running Tempo, and you don't have a good play action play called or some play design called to get someone downfield 1-on-1 (or better yet, OPEN because of the play structure), then it's just wasted Tempo. The McCarthy/Dak Tempo Offense never seems to produce much, unless it's at the of the first half.

So, no, I'm not complaining about Dak not forcing a deep throw, and no, I'm not one of those fans who think that only one person is at fault for each bad play.

But, I AM complaining (yes, blueblood, I am indeed complaining ) about McCarthy and Dak running a Tempo Offense on 1st and 10, dropping back to pass, and then either not letting the play develop for a longer play downfield, or just immediately looking to the flat, as if the primary receiver was a 2-yard flat, I guess hoping the defense wouldn't cover the receiver in the flat so there was a chance for YAC. I don't know WHOSE fault it is, but I'm looking at McCarthy who's the architect, so he needs to find a way through play design to get someone open downfield (and it doesn't need to be a bomb) for at least a 10- to 20-yard throw. And I'm looking at Dak who runs tempo, looks downfield for .5 seconds (with no pressure around him yet), and then just dumps it off to the flat for 2 yards. Hec, if Dak is that scared to hold onto the ball (if you don't trust the o-line), OK, I get it....then DON'T RUN TEMPO ON FIRST DOWN THEN. There's no need, if there's not a good chance of taking advantage of the defensive personnel on the field. Just huddle up. Sheesh! One time, Dak ran Tempo, and didn't even look downfield, he immediately looked at the flat.

I need a bit more creativity out of McCarthy and Dak. If the downfield throw isn't there and the Dee line is breaking free, then all Dak has to do is airmail it over everyone's head in the flat and line back up for 2nd and 10. No need to even try to force a well-covered 2-yard flat pass at that point. And if the flat is open for the 2-yard gain, take it.

I'm just trying to understand their thought process for running Tempo after getting a 1st down, only to not take advantage of the defensive personnel...and just throwing a quick pass in the flat for little yardage. That posed no threat to the defense, even though you kept the "tired", 3rd down personnel on the field.

Well its MM that is deciding to go up tempo, not Dak.

Seems you are nitpicking in a blowout why Dak isnt taking more chances downfield and assuming that people are wide open down there and he is just deciding to dump it off.

And then there is the issue of backup Olineman being in the game all over the place and the gameplan in at least one game was to get it out quickly and NOT go downfield. Then there is the blowout circumstances in the other 3.

What happens when QB's are forced to have to force the ball into coverage? They often threw picks. Just like Dak did on 3rd and goal at the end of the game last week.

There is a NEW methodology to the offense this year it seems. That the defense is the strength of the team and we are going to play offense like that and not make lots of turnovers. Probably some of that and also the blowout nature of the games.

The question becomes......................when we can take more time to let downfield plays develop, will we throw it deep when we have to? I would say yes, but then again, teams with big leads typically play a two deep zone and make you throw it underneath and run the ball.

 

[Rock423]

Why do the Cowboys run a tempo offense, only to throw a quick 2-yard route in the flat? What is the purpose of running a no-huddle offense, only to throw the ball into the flat with a defender nearby? And Dak's not even waiting for anything to develop downfield, he just looks right over to the flat and throws it to whoever is there.


Come on, Dak and McCarthy...such short throws in the Tempo offense provide NO THREAT to a defense that may be a bit winded or reeling a bit. If that's all you got, then just huddle up.

Or, maybe I'm missing something. Has anyone seen in the All-22 film some open receivers downfield in the tempo offense that Dak is missing? Sometimes I think he's just settling too early for the 2-yard, well-covered flat pass, hoping the receiver will break a tackle from a defender bearing down on them.

Efficiency, keeping the clock running. Rest the defense. MM tells you in the pressers.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Understood when it's a necessary dump off to the flat, BB. But this is seemingly running Tempo on 1st down, to take advantage of the area in the flat. It just feels like a wasted opportunity to keep the defensive personnel on the field, primarily hoping for a broken coverage or broken tackle in the flat.

Now, if McCarthy is designing a downfield throw when Tempo is called, and Dak just never lets it develop, then that's on Dak. The flat throw will always be there, so if the o-line is playing well, or the defensive doesn't have their pass rush experts on the field (not able to substitute), then trust the o-line and look downfield. And if you don't trust the o-line anyway, then just huddle up and run a solid play.

I don't know what the intent of these purposeful 2-yard flat passes after Tempo. Hec, the Cowboys did it twice...stayed in Tempo, and then threw two consecutive 2-yard flat passes....so after all of that, it was still 3rd and 6.

So you are assuming that the first read on the play was the dump off in the flat? Im going to bet your just confused on what you are seeing. Just because YOU or some other fan doesnt completely understand what is going on out there, that doesnt mean Dak and MM are screwing up.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Efficiency, keeping the clock running. Rest the defense. MM tells you in the pressers.

This offense is predicted on quick reads by the QB. Instead of sitting there looking around getting sacked and holding onto the ball.

 

[Rock423]

This offense is predicted on quick reads by the QB. Instead of sitting there looking around getting sacked and holding onto the ball.

Then apparently no one is open.

 

[KMY_Amber]

Efficiency, keeping the clock running. Rest the defense. MM tells you in the pressers.

Then why go no-huddle at all if that's the goal? Just huddle, eat clock, and THEN throw the safe, high-%, 2-yard flat pass?

 

[KMY_Amber]

This offense is predicted on quick reads by the QB. Instead of sitting there looking around getting sacked and holding onto the ball.

OK, yes, the Texas Coast offense is all about the quick passes, and YAC. Can't they find a 5-yard route? The YAC flat isn't happening, so to go no-huddle, only to have the primary receiver be the one in the flat for 2 yards, it just seems pointless.

But OK, Genius Mike is about to show the world some creative Tempo plays later, getting receivers open downfield for 1st downs, we're just waiting until the o-line is more healthy and the offense gels together better. They just need more practice time, and faith in each other. Got it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

OK, yes, the Texas Coast offense is all about the quick passes, and YAC. Can't they find a 5-yard route? The YAC flat isn't happening, so to go no-huddle, only to have the primary receiver be the one in the flat for 2 yards, it just seems pointless.

But OK, Genius Mike is about to show the world some creative Tempo plays later, getting receivers open downfield for 1st downs, we're just waiting until the o-line is more healthy and the offense gels together better. They just need more practice time, and faith in each other. Got it.

If you want to get bent out of shape because you saw 2 up tempo plays in the flat be my guest.

 

[KMY_Amber]

If you want to get bent out of shape because you saw 2 up tempo plays in the flat be my guest.

...because it's the premise of running Tempo but not have the plays to exploit the defense in any meaningful way.

Do we have a OC/HC that doesn't have the play designs to get players open downfield during a no-huddle offense? Maybe.

Or does this OC/HC not trust the offensive line, even during a Tempo Offense when the Dee line should be a bit winded? Maybe.

Or is this OC/HC not able to trust a better potential YAC play as the Plan B during Tempo (like a drag or crossing route, or a 5-yard TE out or hitch), so all he and Dak can muster is a 2-yard flat pass? Maybe.

For me, it's simply worrisome in the long-term, when this offense needs to produce TDs in a hurry-up scenario, and McCarthy doesn't have the longer, downfield play designs for chunk yardage besides fade routes and streaks (and TE seam routes).

 

[CowboyRoy]

...because it's the premise of running Tempo but not have the plays to exploit the defense in any meaningful way.

Do we have a OC/HC that doesn't have the play designs to get players open downfield during a no-huddle offense? Maybe.

Or does this OC/HC not trust the offensive line, even during a Tempo Offense when the Dee line should be a bit winded? Maybe.

Or is this OC/HC not able to trust a better potential YAC play as the Plan B during Tempo (like a drag or crossing route, or a 5-yard TE out or hitch), so all he and Dak can muster is a 2-yard flat pass? Maybe.

For me, it's simply worrisome in the long-term, when this offense needs to produce TDs in a hurry-up scenario, and McCarthy doesn't have the longer, downfield play designs for chunk yardage besides fade routes and streaks (and TE seam routes).

LOL.........thats your weird interpretation.

Your mad because you dont understand.

And no 2 plays in the flat are not worrisome long term.