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If letting Ron walk means more money for defense, I'm okay with it.
 

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He is better today yes-- but Collins ceiling is higher and it's not debatable. Collins is simply the better athlete. Give Collins another offseason of strength and conditioning and we will be fine at LG.

We have bigger holes on this roster to worry about.
I am so sick about hearing about potential, can he play? Ron has proved he can. Potential is just a word applied to people that MIGHT do something.
 

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I am so sick about hearing about potential, can he play? Ron has proved he can. Potential is just a word applied to people that MIGHT do something.

And I am sick of fans not getting the fact that there is a thing called the salary cap and that we can't pay every player along the OL top 5 money at their position. Also sick of fans demanding immediate returns on player development. Parcells gave players 3 years to develop-- but of course, you know better amiright!?. Apparently b/c Collins isn't immediately in a pro bowl you think he sux. Brilliant.

You are replacing Leary with a guy who is a blue chip talent and would have been a top 10 pick on draft day had it not been for some strange circumstances. What more do you want? lol
 

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With him gone, I honestly think playoffs are a stretch next year. I do not trust our staff to scout pass rushers, so I'm not expecting anything great out of the draft there. Since Stephen had stated no FA, we won't get a pass rush there.

I think we have to accept this team needs to win like they did this year, and the offense has to carry them again. Collins showed he's not at Leary's production, and RT is gonna be a mess again. And Tyron's back has to be a concern. Big guys with back problems isn't a good bet.

Dak ands Zeke may be good enough to overcome, bur they'll gave to be.
 

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And I am sick of fans not getting the fact that there is a thing called the salary cap and that we can't pay every player along the OL top 5 money at their position. Also sick of fans demanding immediate returns on player development. Parcells gave players 3 years to develop-- but of course, you know better amiright!?. Apparently b/c Collins isn't immediately in a pro bowl you think he sux. Brilliant.

You are replacing Leary with a guy who is a blue chip talent and would have been a top 10 pick on draft day had it not been for some strange circumstances. What more do you want? lol

LC has how many years left here? 2? if i could get leary under a solid but fair contract for 4 to 5 years, i'd do that and trade collins. collins still fetches at least a 2nd round pick. Leary is more proven and has a higher chance of being signed to a reasonable contract. With his knee, he isn't making top 5 OG money. with lael, if he actually develops, we can't afford him in 2 years.
 

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love this guy's attitude. there was a play in the game where we were near the goalline and he was sticking up for another teammate and was surrounded by packers. he wasn't backing down. took another 10 seconds for the cavalry to arrive. this guy is the type of guy you want on your team. no nonsense, nasty and just does his job.
 

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LC has how many years left here? 2? if i could get leary under a solid but fair contract for 4 to 5 years, i'd do that and trade collins. collins still fetches at least a 2nd round pick. Leary is more proven and has a higher chance of being signed to a reasonable contract. With his knee, he isn't making top 5 OG money. with lael, if he actually develops, we can't afford him in 2 years.

Did you read the article in the OP? Leary wants to get PAID. He is not going to come cheap. He hits the market and his value will go WAY UP because a team will overpay him as a FA.

Not sure why everyone is down on Collins. Leary is more technically sound at this point in their careers-- but La'el is off the charts in terms of athleticism and talent. Give Collins a chance to develop and I think you'll be happy. He's only played one year as this year he was hurt. He should come back ready to rock and roll next year.
 

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Did you read the article in the OP? Leary wants to get PAID. He is not going to come cheap. He hits the market and his value will go WAY UP because a team will overpay him as a FA.

Not sure why everyone is down on Collins. Leary is more technically sound at this point in their careers-- but La'el is off the charts in terms of athleticism and talent. Give Collins a chance to develop and I think you'll be happy. He's only played one year as this year he was hurt. He should come back ready to rock and roll next year.

Plus Collins doesn't have a knee that could blow-out at any time.
 

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Did you read the article in the OP? Leary wants to get PAID. He is not going to come cheap. He hits the market and his value will go WAY UP because a team will overpay him as a FA.

Not sure why everyone is down on Collins. Leary is more technically sound at this point in their careers-- but La'el is off the charts in terms of athleticism and talent. Give Collins a chance to develop and I think you'll be happy. He's only played one year as this year he was hurt. He should come back ready to rock and roll next year.

i'm not down on collins at all. but we are talking production vs talent and lael hasn't reached his talent level yet. he could be much better than leary but isn't right now. and when he does reach that, we for sure won't be able to afford to keep him.

i think the possibility of long term OL stability with leary is better. there was a reason he was undrafted. with his knee, he isn't going to be a top paid OG like martin imo. maybe i'm wrong but i see either short high paid contracts or longer, more reasonable contracts with heath outs for teams.
 

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Plus Collins doesn't have a knee that could blow-out at any time.

Yah-- his degenerative condition hasn't been an issue thus far-- but would be a shame to sign him to a huge contract and then we're stuck paying a guy who can't play. Pretty sure all the Leary backers would have a field day with the front office for signing him to a bad contract lol.
 

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i'm not down on collins at all. but we are talking production vs talent and lael hasn't reached his talent level yet. he could be much better than leary but isn't right now. and when he does reach that, we for sure won't be able to afford to keep him.

i think the possibility of long term OL stability with leary is better. there was a reason he was undrafted. with his knee, he isn't going to be a top paid OG like martin imo. maybe i'm wrong but i see either short high paid contracts or longer, more reasonable contracts with heath outs for teams.

Collins basically has one year of NFL service. He's going to get better with more reps. Even if you can't afford him after 2 more years-- that gives you 2 drafts to prepare to replace him. The risk of signing Leary at a huge deal after this season is higher than leveraging Collins for 2 years and adding depth/talent via the draft.
 

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Only save 5 mil without romo. Dallas will carry 19 mil in dead cap money.

But that would just be for 2017. In 2018 we would have a LOT of cap to play with-- especially if Witten and Scandrick retire by then as well. However-- we also have decisions to be made about Martin and obviously Dak and Zeke, so that "cap space" is pretty much already used up lol...
 

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The risk of signing Leary at a huge deal after this season is higher than leveraging Collins for 2 years and adding depth/talent via the draft.

i don't disagree depending on what type of money we can get for leary and what kind of draft pick we can get in return for LC. i agree that both can't be kept. i'd only be agreeable to keeping leary if he hit the market (or not) and didn't find what he liked and let dallas sign a reasonable deal because he didn't have any big money offers like he is expecting. if he's getting top 10 money which is over 6 mil a season you probably can't keep him but if he finds his market more in the 4.5 mil per season range because of his knee, i'd love to have him back.
 

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i don't disagree depending on what type of money we can get for leary and what kind of draft pick we can get in return for LC. i agree that both can't be kept. i'd only be agreeable to keeping leary if he hit the market (or not) and didn't find what he liked and let dallas sign a reasonable deal because he didn't have any big money offers like he is expecting. if he's getting top 10 money which is over 6 mil a season you probably can't keep him but if he finds his market more in the 4.5 mil per season range because of his knee, i'd love to have him back.

I love Leary too-- but he is getting more than 4-5 mil per year and he's earned that. He gambled on himself and won. Can't do anything but thank him and wish him the best and if he offers us a home town discount for 4-5 mil, I'd jump at the chance to sign him to that deal-- but yah, not gonna happen lol.
 
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