Stanford Football's Unique New Training Regimen

[DOUBLE WING]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/31/s...inct-training-regimen-redefines-strength.html

His approach is grounded in physics, on the premise that low man wins on contact, that to get low requires mobility and stability and the ability to apply force in the opposite direction. His players bench press, but he cares more about how they lift — with hands closer together, without bouncing the bar off their chests — than how much. He wants them to bend all the way down when they squat.

Freshmen in Turley’s program do not lift weights upon arrival. Instead, for the first few weeks, they do “body work,” or push-ups and pull-ups and squats or lunges without weights; basically old-school, military calisthenics.

“You have all these different genres of training, and we steal from them all,” Turley said. “CrossFit. Bodybuilding. Power lifting. But ultimately, it’s none of those. It’s a system we’ve developed to train football players.”

After the last two years, it seems clear to me that whatever we are doing training/strength and conditioning wise ain't working. I have a lot of respect for what Mike Woicik has done in his career. The resume speaks for itself. He's clearly one of the best to ever do it.

And maybe the last two years aren't his fault, maybe it's just dumb luck. That is certainly possible, and honestly more believable than the fact that Woicik all of the sudden lost his touch. But whatever the case, I think it's time for a change. I think it would behoove us to look into something like this. An article has also circulated around here regarding the Philadelphia Eagles' cutting edge new training program introduced by Chip Kelly. Glancing at their injury report, they don't seem to have nearly as many problems as we've had the last couple of years with simple things like hamstrings and pulls and strains.

 

[Fredd]

they certainly need to do something different...I just fear that Jones reverts back to his "dancin' with the oldies" routine with his coaching staff and that old school approach is not relevant in today's NFL....he just can't see that it is 2014 through his alcohol-stained glasses

 

[9darter]

they certainly need to do something different...I just fear that Jones reverts back to his "dancin' with the oldies" routine with his coaching staff and that old school approach is not relevant in today's NFL....he just can't see that it is 2014 through his alcohol-stained glasses

There's no way that Jerry would understand something like this. He doesn't even understand the need for a GM or a HC to make his team competitive.

 

[Fredd]

There's no way that Jerry would understand something like this. He doesn't even understand the need for a GM or a HC to make his team competitive.

agreed....and besides, injuries are part of the entertainment value! If someone gets injured, it can change the outlook of the game and make it more entertaining

 

[Zekeats]

Kinda hard to keep guys healthy if they don't ever fear of getting cut or losing money. Wether its the newly high paid middle linebacker in Sean Lee or its the 4th round pick who is always welcome back year after year after year from injuries, the players just don't ever have that fear of losing there jobs.

 

[MRV52]

There's no way that Jerry would understand something like this. He doesn't even understand the need for a GM or a HC to make his team competitive.

Who cares Jerry understands $$$$ and cents. Cowboys are the show and made a 300 million profit., He is good at what he does on the business side of things. No if he can learn to be a real GM we might be able to do great things.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Freshmen in Turley’s program do not lift weights upon arrival. Instead, for the first few weeks, they do “body work,” or push-ups and pull-ups and squats or lunges without weights; basically old-school, military calisthenics.

I wonder if they are told that before they sign their commitment paper.

 

[Zordon]

i agree but who exactly from the jones clan do you think has this article or any of the new training methods on their radar? they are too busy trying to fill the stadium with different events...i guarantee none of them are thinking about this.

 

[big dog cowboy]

i agree but who exactly from the jones clan do you think has this article or any of the new training methods on their radar? they are too busy trying to fill the stadium with different events...i guarantee none of them are thinking about this.

No kidding. You can never have no many monster trucks or rodeos can you?

 

[visionary]

The joneses and Jason have shown no ability to learn new approaches or from their mistakes

 

[snapper]

they certainly need to do something different...I just fear that Jones reverts back to his "dancin' with the oldies" routine with his coaching staff and that old school approach is not relevant in today's NFL....he just can't see that it is 2014 through his alcohol-stained glasses

Interesting point. I always felt Tom Landry lost touch because of his unwillingness to adapt. If you do not adapt you do not survive.

Maybe it is time to look at new ways to train given the CBA training restrictions.

 

[Fredd]

Interest point. I always felt Tom Landry lost touch because of his unwillingness to adapt. If you do not adapt you do not survive.

Maybe it is time to look at new ways to train given the CBA training restrictions.

I wish that they would to that (the training piece)...the cowboys love to emulate what works with other teams, well? what are they waiting for? emulate what is working for Stanford???

 

[Gadfly22]

I posted the link to that article twice here already. I think it's important, and I think some kind of program like this needs to be instituted by the Cowboys ASAP. Whatever they're doing now is not producing super-strong players and certainly is not minimizing injuries.

 

[hutch1254]

I think for our situation it is going to have to be a combination of some new ideas on approach in the training area and removing some of the players who just can't stay healthy. I think you'd see a quick turnaround and good drop in man games lost.

 

[xwalker]

Kinda hard to keep guys healthy if they don't ever fear of getting cut or losing money. Wether its the newly high paid middle linebacker in Sean Lee or its the 4th round pick who is always welcome back year after year after year from injuries, the players just don't ever have that fear of losing there jobs.

If anybody believes that getting paid had an effect on Sean Lee's commitment, then that person is a Moron.

 

[Fmart322]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/31/s...inct-training-regimen-redefines-strength.html

The Cowboys have lost 3 NFC east titles because of injuries. Something has to be done differently to fix it. 3 years wasted.



After the last two years, it seems clear to me that whatever we are doing training/strength and conditioning wise ain't working. I have a lot of respect for what Mike Woicik has done in his career. The resume speaks for itself. He's clearly one of the best to ever do it.

And maybe the last two years aren't his fault, maybe it's just dumb luck. That is certainly possible, and honestly more believable than the fact that Woicik all of the sudden lost his touch. But whatever the case, I think it's time for a change. I think it would behoove us to look into something like this. An article has also circulated around here regarding the Philadelphia Eagles' cutting edge new training program introduced by Chip Kelly. Glancing at their injury report, they don't seem to have nearly as many problems as we've had the last couple of years with simple things like hamstrings and pulls and strains.

 

[CATCH17]

Just like everything else, training athletes evolves.

I think it's time we go another direction there because I can't look at any player and say that he's do e a good job with their conditioning.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Nobody here has any idea what the training regime at Valley Ranch is.

Everyone just assumes it sucks.

Par for the course.

 

[joseephuss]

You guys are funny. You say Dallas is stuck with the oldies while the article clearly states that some of this guys work out regiments are old school military style calisthenics. You also don't need to get a new strength and conditioning coach to change work out routines. Things can be modified with the same staff in place. The strength and conditioning coaches probably go to clinics and seminars to learn some different things they can implement every year. Who knows? Maybe they have already consulted with the guy at Stanford on some stuff that they do.

 

[jobberone]

Please don't screw this thread up with logical, coherent, common sense thoughts or ideas, or anything else that is a buzzkill for the yang crowd.