State of the Cowboys: epic implosion edition

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Dallas Cowboys fans are as big a part of the problem with this organization as the Owner is.

So let's start there with mass anger and blame all around.
Dallas is not entitled to Super Bowls and a SB is not the standard anywhere, but especially not here.
But ole Jerry cannot shut up about Super Bowls.
He and the fans live in a shared delusion. Both need an intervention and therapy.
What part of winning 1 playoff game every couple years spells super bowl?

But Dallas fans ARE entitled to believe you SHOULD win games when favored by 7+ points.
Dallas fans are entitled to a DC that creates a game plan instead of setting up FOUR interviews the week of a playoff game.
Quinn spent more time with his agent than his team.
So being mad? Absolutely deserved.

This was an epic meltdown.
Offense, defense and special teams all played as poorly as they had all year.
The defense was so shockingly bad it is hard to believe that it actually occurred and wasn't just some Eagles fans' fever dream.

Dak's first INT was a ref consistency nightmare. No idea how you give the Packers a first down to keep the drive alive on the first series on a holding call then allow that mugging to be an INT. But that 2nd one was Dak's kryptonite. The off-schedule play by a secondary defender. Dak expected something and didn't check with his eyes. Awful INT. Probably his worst of the entire season.
But no team can put a QB in that situation. Down 7-0 before he ever gets the ball. Backed up because ST is trash all night so you keep starting inside your 20. Fair catching at the 6, taking holding penalties inside the 20? Team never got to run regular offense in the first quarter.

The defense was just bad on a level that is hard to describe. Could not stop the run at all yet couldn't stay within 10 yards of receivers too?? HOW?!?!
Entire scheme is based on pressure but they could run double moves and complete 30 yards passes all night??!!??! That was expansion team level defense. Looked like Texas Tech defense with Mahomes at QB. Score 60 or lose.

So where does it go from here??
You did push a lot of chips to the center of the table this year.
The draft will be light on bodies and the salary cap is tight.
But this team has way too much talent to tank.

Jerry made the MM decision as I expected he would. He didn't have a better candidate already lined up so MM returns.
DQ will get a HC job in all likelihood so Dallas can part ways and very quietly point to his former assts all beating him to absolute death as reasons to believe the team will be better.
MM has to be better with time mgmt. Dak is a top 5 QB pre-snap but that also means he is focused so heavily on schematic stuff he fails to pay any attention to the clock. So the coach has to. Both guys pretending they are too important to fill that role gets us here.
Dak is still a top 6-9 QB. Nothing changes there. He was a legit MVP candidate for a reason and he fell short again for a reason. Correct what you can but live within that reality as well. You aren't making Dak a clone of Tom Brady.
BUT you do have a guy 20+ teams would kill for.

Plusses?
You do have a QB.
You have a lead pass rusher.
You have a lead WR.
You have an elite young TE.
You play in the NFC East where every other team is arguably set up worse going forward because they lack a QB.
Will McClay loves it here.

Negatives?
Basically everything else.
You have 2 Pro Bowl OL that are aging out.
The QB is on the Jeff Bezos salary plan.
The owner and fans EXPECT you to win a Super Bowl next year.
You have 18 cents in salary cap money.
You have no middle of the draft.
CeeDee and Micah want to be the highest paid at their positions even though they have fizzled in the playoffs right along with the 40M QB.

As the kids say: I hate it here.

Can it be fixed? Yes. The NFL is a parity league where almost anything is possible.
And Dallas has a young, deep team.
Flawed and requiring re-work but still young and deep.

Dallas might need to move a big name or two.
Maybe you get Dan Quinn to overpay for Micah.
Painful to do but would free up 25-30M in future cap concerns and bring back a draft saving haul of picks.
Or maybe you trade CeeDee? Again cap plus draft haul for an all-world talent?
Move Dak? That one is a lot tougher because he already costs the money. And replacement level talent is nearly impossible to find.
But you should consider everything. Unless Dak will play team friendly now after making 200M then you might have to suck it up and eat the soup sandwich to move him.

Nothing should be off the table.
Band-aids won't fix the culture.
 

Sydla

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The failures aren't tied to just this season. This is a recurring issue with McCarthy and with Garrett before him.

And yet somehow, Jerry wants to quadruple down on this. Is he dumb? Can he not see what's going on? Or is he just so arrogant that he feels the need to go against the mainstream thought that he needs to change/make changes because he wants to be able to tell people, "I told you so"
 

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Man, you just come in and make some of the most idiotic threads at times. I know people like you like to come in as “the voice of reason” or the “super fan” but this is pathetic

The fans are a significant part of the problem? LOL. Do the fans draft or coach or throw picks? Pathetic

The fans are entitled? Even more idiotic and pathetic. The fans have been patient for almost 3 decades. Get that through your thick skull

We have a QB? Yeah, one that demands top 5 money and plays like a bottom 10 QB in the playoffs. 2-5 in playoffs over 8 years with THE WORST record of any QB starting at least 5 games in the salary cap era. News flash, that is horrible

We have a lead rusher? Again a guy that will demand top money but completely vanishes in the playoffs

Can it be fixed? Not without giving Dak a new deal with top 5 money. And then youre stuck with him next year if you want to move in from MM and the new HC is saddled with Dak. Regarding drafting better with Mcclay, you might want to hang up your “draft nik” badge if you think our last draft was good

I could go on and on but im not wasting more time responding to this garbage thread that is your latest attempt at self delusion
 

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Rough times for cowboys and Chelsea supporters
 

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Man, you just come in and make some of the most idiotic threads at times. I know people like you like to come in as “the voice of reason” or the “super fan” but this is pathetic

The fans are a significant part of the problem? LOL. Do the fans draft or coach or throw picks? Pathetic

The fans are entitled? Even more idiotic and pathetic. The fans have been patient for almost 3 decades. Get that through your thick skull

We have a QB? Yeah, one that demands top 5 money and plays like a bottom 10 QB in the playoffs. 2-5 in playoffs over 8 years with THE WORST record of any QB starting at least 5 games in the salary cap era. News flash, that is horrible

We have a lead rusher? Again a guy that will demand top money but completely vanishes in the playoffs

Can it be fixed? Not without giving Dak a new deal with top 5 money. And then youre stuck with him next year if you want to move in from MM and the new HC is saddled with Dak. Regarding drafting better with Mcclay, you might want to hang up your “draft nik” badge if you think our last draft was good

I could go on and on but im not wasting more time responding to this garbage thread that is your latest attempt at self delusion
To your point, yesterday ESPN had a draft class ranking and we were dead last. We got next to nothing from the draft class. In fact , our UDFA class was more productive than the draft class.
 

CCBoy

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Dallas Cowboys fans are as big a part of the problem with this organization as the Owner is.

So let's start there with mass anger and blame all around.
Dallas is not entitled to Super Bowls and a SB is not the standard anywhere, but especially not here.
But ole Jerry cannot shut up about Super Bowls.
He and the fans live in a shared delusion. Both need an intervention and therapy.
What part of winning 1 playoff game every couple years spells super bowl?

But Dallas fans ARE entitled to believe you SHOULD win games when favored by 7+ points.
Dallas fans are entitled to a DC that creates a game plan instead of setting up FOUR interviews the week of a playoff game.
Quinn spent more time with his agent than his team.
So being mad? Absolutely deserved.

This was an epic meltdown.
Offense, defense and special teams all played as poorly as they had all year.
The defense was so shockingly bad it is hard to believe that it actually occurred and wasn't just some Eagles fans' fever dream.

Dak's first INT was a ref consistency nightmare. No idea how you give the Packers a first down to keep the drive alive on the first series on a holding call then allow that mugging to be an INT. But that 2nd one was Dak's kryptonite. The off-schedule play by a secondary defender. Dak expected something and didn't check with his eyes. Awful INT. Probably his worst of the entire season.
But no team can put a QB in that situation. Down 7-0 before he ever gets the ball. Backed up because ST is trash all night so you keep starting inside your 20. Fair catching at the 6, taking holding penalties inside the 20? Team never got to run regular offense in the first quarter.

The defense was just bad on a level that is hard to describe. Could not stop the run at all yet couldn't stay within 10 yards of receivers too?? HOW?!?!
Entire scheme is based on pressure but they could run double moves and complete 30 yards passes all night??!!??! That was expansion team level defense. Looked like Texas Tech defense with Mahomes at QB. Score 60 or lose.

So where does it go from here??
You did push a lot of chips to the center of the table this year.
The draft will be light on bodies and the salary cap is tight.
But this team has way too much talent to tank.

Jerry made the MM decision as I expected he would. He didn't have a better candidate already lined up so MM returns.
DQ will get a HC job in all likelihood so Dallas can part ways and very quietly point to his former assts all beating him to absolute death as reasons to believe the team will be better.
MM has to be better with time mgmt. Dak is a top 5 QB pre-snap but that also means he is focused so heavily on schematic stuff he fails to pay any attention to the clock. So the coach has to. Both guys pretending they are too important to fill that role gets us here.
Dak is still a top 6-9 QB. Nothing changes there. He was a legit MVP candidate for a reason and he fell short again for a reason. Correct what you can but live within that reality as well. You aren't making Dak a clone of Tom Brady.
BUT you do have a guy 20+ teams would kill for.

Plusses?
You do have a QB.
You have a lead pass rusher.
You have a lead WR.
You have an elite young TE.
You play in the NFC East where every other team is arguably set up worse going forward because they lack a QB.
Will McClay loves it here.

Negatives?
Basically everything else.
You have 2 Pro Bowl OL that are aging out.
The QB is on the Jeff Bezos salary plan.
The owner and fans EXPECT you to win a Super Bowl next year.
You have 18 cents in salary cap money.
You have no middle of the draft.
CeeDee and Micah want to be the highest paid at their positions even though they have fizzled in the playoffs right along with the 40M QB.

As the kids say: I hate it here.

Can it be fixed? Yes. The NFL is a parity league where almost anything is possible.
And Dallas has a young, deep team.
Flawed and requiring re-work but still young and deep.

Dallas might need to move a big name or two.
Maybe you get Dan Quinn to overpay for Micah.
Painful to do but would free up 25-30M in future cap concerns and bring back a draft saving haul of picks.
Or maybe you trade CeeDee? Again cap plus draft haul for an all-world talent?
Move Dak? That one is a lot tougher because he already costs the money. And replacement level talent is nearly impossible to find.
But you should consider everything. Unless Dak will play team friendly now after making 200M then you might have to suck it up and eat the soup sandwich to move him.

Nothing should be off the table.
Band-aids won't fix the culture.
You were target on as to solution. Jerry must demand the fixing of problems. Style of play leaves the picture soft. Period. That is an accountability problem, and unless a softer team is played, the current defense never even shows up.

How many non calls on holding have gone on with Parsons. The rest of the defense doesn't support him. He supports them, but they fail when just focused upon.

That is fully upon coaching and specificly the DC. Played off 10+ yards in protections, A fist full of wide open receivers and long completions. At the same time wide open running lanes and success.

Rule one in the NFL, you have to take away the run or the pass against all opponents. That demanded team focus was fully missing...as it was against all strong playing teams all season.

Give me a new DC and make Parsons successful or get multiple players in return.
 

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Dallas Cowboys fans are as big a part of the problem with this organization as the Owner is.

So let's start there with mass anger and blame all around.
Dallas is not entitled to Super Bowls and a SB is not the standard anywhere, but especially not here.
But ole Jerry cannot shut up about Super Bowls.
He and the fans live in a shared delusion. Both need an intervention and therapy.
What part of winning 1 playoff game every couple years spells super bowl?

But Dallas fans ARE entitled to believe you SHOULD win games when favored by 7+ points.
Dallas fans are entitled to a DC that creates a game plan instead of setting up FOUR interviews the week of a playoff game.
Quinn spent more time with his agent than his team.
So being mad? Absolutely deserved.

This was an epic meltdown.
Offense, defense and special teams all played as poorly as they had all year.
The defense was so shockingly bad it is hard to believe that it actually occurred and wasn't just some Eagles fans' fever dream.

Dak's first INT was a ref consistency nightmare. No idea how you give the Packers a first down to keep the drive alive on the first series on a holding call then allow that mugging to be an INT. But that 2nd one was Dak's kryptonite. The off-schedule play by a secondary defender. Dak expected something and didn't check with his eyes. Awful INT. Probably his worst of the entire season.
But no team can put a QB in that situation. Down 7-0 before he ever gets the ball. Backed up because ST is trash all night so you keep starting inside your 20. Fair catching at the 6, taking holding penalties inside the 20? Team never got to run regular offense in the first quarter.

The defense was just bad on a level that is hard to describe. Could not stop the run at all yet couldn't stay within 10 yards of receivers too?? HOW?!?!
Entire scheme is based on pressure but they could run double moves and complete 30 yards passes all night??!!??! That was expansion team level defense. Looked like Texas Tech defense with Mahomes at QB. Score 60 or lose.

So where does it go from here??
You did push a lot of chips to the center of the table this year.
The draft will be light on bodies and the salary cap is tight.
But this team has way too much talent to tank.

Jerry made the MM decision as I expected he would. He didn't have a better candidate already lined up so MM returns.
DQ will get a HC job in all likelihood so Dallas can part ways and very quietly point to his former assts all beating him to absolute death as reasons to believe the team will be better.
MM has to be better with time mgmt. Dak is a top 5 QB pre-snap but that also means he is focused so heavily on schematic stuff he fails to pay any attention to the clock. So the coach has to. Both guys pretending they are too important to fill that role gets us here.
Dak is still a top 6-9 QB. Nothing changes there. He was a legit MVP candidate for a reason and he fell short again for a reason. Correct what you can but live within that reality as well. You aren't making Dak a clone of Tom Brady.
BUT you do have a guy 20+ teams would kill for.

Plusses?
You do have a QB.
You have a lead pass rusher.
You have a lead WR.
You have an elite young TE.
You play in the NFC East where every other team is arguably set up worse going forward because they lack a QB.
Will McClay loves it here.

Negatives?
Basically everything else.
You have 2 Pro Bowl OL that are aging out.
The QB is on the Jeff Bezos salary plan.
The owner and fans EXPECT you to win a Super Bowl next year.
You have 18 cents in salary cap money.
You have no middle of the draft.
CeeDee and Micah want to be the highest paid at their positions even though they have fizzled in the playoffs right along with the 40M QB.

As the kids say: I hate it here.

Can it be fixed? Yes. The NFL is a parity league where almost anything is possible.
And Dallas has a young, deep team.
Flawed and requiring re-work but still young and deep.

Dallas might need to move a big name or two.
Maybe you get Dan Quinn to overpay for Micah.
Painful to do but would free up 25-30M in future cap concerns and bring back a draft saving haul of picks.
Or maybe you trade CeeDee? Again cap plus draft haul for an all-world talent?
Move Dak? That one is a lot tougher because he already costs the money. And replacement level talent is nearly impossible to find.
But you should consider everything. Unless Dak will play team friendly now after making 200M then you might have to suck it up and eat the soup sandwich to move him.

Nothing should be off the table.
Band-aids won't fix the culture.
Stopped reading at you do have a QB.
 

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Man, you just come in and make some of the most idiotic threads at times. I know people like you like to come in as “the voice of reason” or the “super fan” but this is pathetic

The fans are a significant part of the problem? LOL. Do the fans draft or coach or throw picks? Pathetic

The fans are entitled? Even more idiotic and pathetic. The fans have been patient for almost 3 decades. Get that through your thick skull

We have a QB? Yeah, one that demands top 5 money and plays like a bottom 10 QB in the playoffs. 2-5 in playoffs over 8 years with THE WORST record of any QB starting at least 5 games in the salary cap era. News flash, that is horrible

We have a lead rusher? Again a guy that will demand top money but completely vanishes in the playoffs

Can it be fixed? Not without giving Dak a new deal with top 5 money. And then youre stuck with him next year if you want to move in from MM and the new HC is saddled with Dak. Regarding drafting better with Mcclay, you might want to hang up your “draft nik” badge if you think our last draft was good

I could go on and on but im not wasting more time responding to this garbage thread that is your latest attempt at self delusion
You are an idiot and don;t worry about English, you can't listen two sentences unless standing in one place and peeing on one's own shoes. You never present solving any real available technique beyong your own taking a pee....let's go ace, take your insults elsewhere. I really don't care if your lame butt cares...

:popcorn: :hammer: For the record, I still back the Texas Governor and have for years....as well. Just like my Cowboys. That is loyalty.

You just attacked the wrong person...his OP didn't leave much solution in analysis.

Here, your kind of fan:





Let's go...:popcorn:
 

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You are an idiot and don;t worry about English, you can't listen two sentences unless standing in one place and peeing on one's own shoes. You never present solving any real available technique beyong your own taking a pee....let's go ace, take your insults elsewhere. I really don't care if your lame butt cares...

:popcorn: :hammer: For the record, I still back the Texas Governor and have for years....as well. Just like my Cowboys. That is loyalty.

You just attacked the wrong person...his OP didn't leave much solution in analysis.

Here, your kind of fan:





Let's go...:popcorn:
Hey im not surprised that your best qualities are refusal to learn and doubling down on ignorance that you choose to cloak as loyalty
 

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Stopped reading at you do have a QB.
Yep, 2 sentence retention. That is about as long as crying in a beer lasts....

QB is an element that has to be included in any approach for solution. I don't care with a monotone complaining session for YOUR 30 years. You reject all else and have done so for decades. So? Discuss more than a 3 decade excuse of your own and personal blame. I'm not listening to a chorus of nothing more than please me. Can't even carry a tune.
 

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Yep, 2 sentence retention. That is about as long as crying in a beer lasts....

QB is an element that has to be included in any approach for solution. I don't care with a monotone complaining session for YOUR 30 years. You reject all else and have done so for decades. So? Discuss more than a 3 decade excuse of your own and personal blame. I'm not listening to a chorus of nothing more than please me. Can't even carry a tune.
Please put the beer down before you post.
 
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