State Of The Draft: Wentz Team Matches, Connor Cook Woes, Stanley/Oakman Concerns, Much More

[RS12]

–Carson Wentz has quickly become the feature prospect of the 2016 draft class, and his rise from small school passer to potential top-five pick has happened in remarkable fashion. Aside from my own thoughts, I was told earlier this year that the Dallas Cowboys may be the primary team that his value is derived from. He’s reportedly atop their quarterback board, which has spurned his “top-10 value”, but he’s quickly emerged as the top quarterback for more than few teams.

-On Carson Wentz to the Cowboys: There’s seemingly TOO much smoke around it. There were multiple incidents at the Senior Bowl (scout whispering to Jason Garrett loudly during weigh-ins when Wentz was up, Jerry Jones personally meeting Wentz on the field, etc.) that seem a bit….obviously odd. It may be a smokescreen, it may be genuine interest, but it’s apparent to me that the Cowboys have a plan with their Wentz affection. That doesn’t mean other top-15 teams don’t like him as well.

-Final notes on Carson Wentz: He impressed NFL decision makers in Mobile, but primarily because they likely haven’t dove into his film yet. It’s easy to appreciate his velocity, tools and flashes of athleticism in a practice setting….Also, two sleeper teams for Wentz from what I’ve been told: Chicago Bears and Pittsburgh Steelers.

-I don’t want to go into too much detail on ALL of the Connor Cook-character/attitude insight yet. But for me, he was by far the most discussed player among those I spoke with at the Senior Bowl. Between his parents’ role in his college career, Connor’s attitude toward teammates and to people in the draft process (including the Senior Bowl) and plenty of stories during his Michigan State career, it’s become clear that he’s closer to a third-round pick than a first-rounder thanks to mental make-up and attitude concerns.

-At least two NFL GMs gave agents’ advice to limit their pursuit of Connor Cook, and I’m sure they aren’t alone in their discouraging comments. That being said, the Denver Broncos are the one team that still may consider him in round one because of his Kubiak fit and pro-readiness. But that would take a Peyton Manning retirement and Brock Osweiler to leave town.

–Christian Hackenberg to the Texans; I’m putting that in dark pencil until I hear otherwise, even if that means mocking it in round one for now

http://optimumscouting.com/scouts-n...ok-woes-stanleyoakman-concerns-much-more.html

 

[sureletsrace]

–Carson Wentz has quickly become the feature prospect of the 2016 draft class, and his rise from small school passer to potential top-five pick has happened in remarkable fashion. Aside from my own thoughts, I was told earlier this year that the Dallas Cowboys may be the primary team that his value is derived from. He’s reportedly atop their quarterback board, which has spurned his “top-10 value”, but he’s quickly emerged as the top quarterback for more than few teams.

-On Carson Wentz to the Cowboys: There’s seemingly TOO much smoke around it. There were multiple incidents at the Senior Bowl (scout whispering to Jason Garrett loudly during weigh-ins when Wentz was up, Jerry Jones personally meeting Wentz on the field, etc.) that seem a bit….obviously odd. It may be a smokescreen, it may be genuine interest, but it’s apparent to me that the Cowboys have a plan with their Wentz affection. That doesn’t mean other top-15 teams don’t like him as well.

-Final notes on Carson Wentz: He impressed NFL decision makers in Mobile, but primarily because they likely haven’t dove into his film yet. It’s easy to appreciate his velocity, tools and flashes of athleticism in a practice setting….Also, two sleeper teams for Wentz from what I’ve been told: Chicago Bears and Pittsburgh Steelers.

-I don’t want to go into too much detail on ALL of the Connor Cook-character/attitude insight yet. But for me, he was by far the most discussed player among those I spoke with at the Senior Bowl. Between his parents’ role in his college career, Connor’s attitude toward teammates and to people in the draft process (including the Senior Bowl) and plenty of stories during his Michigan State career, it’s become clear that he’s closer to a third-round pick than a first-rounder thanks to mental make-up and attitude concerns.

-At least two NFL GMs gave agents’ advice to limit their pursuit of Connor Cook, and I’m sure they aren’t alone in their discouraging comments. That being said, the Denver Broncos are the one team that still may consider him in round one because of his Kubiak fit and pro-readiness. But that would take a Peyton Manning retirement and Brock Osweiler to leave town.

–Christian Hackenberg to the Texans; I’m putting that in dark pencil until I hear otherwise, even if that means mocking it in round one for now

http://optimumscouting.com/scouts-n...ok-woes-stanleyoakman-concerns-much-more.html

I don't buy Wentz being a smokescreen. The Cowboys don't really do that, even though the media acts like that's all Jerry does.

Wentz to Pittsburgh is interesting, though if they were going to take a QB in the first, Lynch wouldn't shock me at all. He'd do well learning from Roethlisberger, who is also a massive QB. Not that I like Roethlisberger at all.

 

[sbark]

also from same article/ site...............There will be more that comes about the Robert Nkemdiche window-falling incident in the weeks to come, especially as the coverage of Nkemdiche’s ramps up at the Combine. And that incident may involve currently projected #1 overall pick Laremy Tunsil in a way that could impact Tunsil’s draft value.

 

[darthseinfeld]

–Carson Wentz has quickly become the feature prospect of the 2016 draft class, and his rise from small school passer to potential top-five pick has happened in remarkable fashion. Aside from my own thoughts, I was told earlier this year that the Dallas Cowboys may be the primary team that his value is derived from. He’s reportedly atop their quarterback board, which has spurned his “top-10 value”, but he’s quickly emerged as the top quarterback for more than few teams.

-On Carson Wentz to the Cowboys: There’s seemingly TOO much smoke around it. There were multiple incidents at the Senior Bowl (scout whispering to Jason Garrett loudly during weigh-ins when Wentz was up, Jerry Jones personally meeting Wentz on the field, etc.) that seem a bit….obviously odd. It may be a smokescreen, it may be genuine interest, but it’s apparent to me that the Cowboys have a plan with their Wentz affection. That doesn’t mean other top-15 teams don’t like him as well.

-Final notes on Carson Wentz: He impressed NFL decision makers in Mobile, but primarily because they likely haven’t dove into his film yet. It’s easy to appreciate his velocity, tools and flashes of athleticism in a practice setting….Also, two sleeper teams for Wentz from what I’ve been told: Chicago Bears and Pittsburgh Steelers.

-I don’t want to go into too much detail on ALL of the Connor Cook-character/attitude insight yet. But for me, he was by far the most discussed player among those I spoke with at the Senior Bowl. Between his parents’ role in his college career, Connor’s attitude toward teammates and to people in the draft process (including the Senior Bowl) and plenty of stories during his Michigan State career, it’s become clear that he’s closer to a third-round pick than a first-rounder thanks to mental make-up and attitude concerns.

-At least two NFL GMs gave agents’ advice to limit their pursuit of Connor Cook, and I’m sure they aren’t alone in their discouraging comments. That being said, the Denver Broncos are the one team that still may consider him in round one because of his Kubiak fit and pro-readiness. But that would take a Peyton Manning retirement and Brock Osweiler to leave town.

–Christian Hackenberg to the Texans; I’m putting that in dark pencil until I hear otherwise, even if that means mocking it in round one for now

http://optimumscouting.com/scouts-n...ok-woes-stanleyoakman-concerns-much-more.html

They didnt hide there love for Tyron Smith either. They were quite overt about it

 

[Risen Star]

Question for the board. Does anybody actually believe these kind of draft resources are privy to what any team's value board looks like? If one even exists right now in the first week of February?

It always fails the smell test when I read stuff like that. Even the back***wards Cowboys aren't dumb enough to let their scouting become public knowledge like that. A dumb brainfart picture of the GM standing next to our value board during the draft, yes. Like this? No.

 

[Risen Star]

Having said that, Wentz or we riot.

 

[CCBoy]

also from same article/ site...............There will be more that comes about the Robert Nkemdiche window-falling incident in the weeks to come, especially as the coverage of Nkemdiche’s ramps up at the Combine. And that incident may involve currently projected #1 overall pick Laremy Tunsil in a way that could impact Tunsil’s draft value.

If Tunsil falls to #4, look no farther.

 

[waving monkey]

also from same article/ site...............There will be more that comes about the Robert Nkemdiche window-falling incident in the weeks to come, especially as the coverage of Nkemdiche’s ramps up at the Combine. And that incident may involve currently projected #1 overall pick Laremy Tunsil in a way that could impact Tunsil’s draft value.

–Carson Wentz has quickly become the feature prospect of the 2016 draft class, and his rise from small school passer to potential top-five pick has happened in remarkable fashion. Aside from my own thoughts, I was told earlier this year that the Dallas Cowboys may be the primary team that his value is derived from. He’s reportedly atop their quarterback board, which has spurned his “top-10 value”, but he’s quickly emerged as the top quarterback for more than few teams.

-On Carson Wentz to the Cowboys: There’s seemingly TOO much smoke around it. There were multiple incidents at the Senior Bowl (scout whispering to Jason Garrett loudly during weigh-ins when Wentz was up, Jerry Jones personally meeting Wentz on the field, etc.) that seem a bit….obviously odd. It may be a smokescreen, it may be genuine interest, but it’s apparent to me that the Cowboys have a plan with their Wentz affection. That doesn’t mean other top-15 teams don’t like him as well.

-Final notes on Carson Wentz: He impressed NFL decision makers in Mobile, but primarily because they likely haven’t dove into his film yet. It’s easy to appreciate his velocity, tools and flashes of athleticism in a practice setting….Also, two sleeper teams for Wentz from what I’ve been told: Chicago Bears and Pittsburgh Steelers.

-I don’t want to go into too much detail on ALL of the Connor Cook-character/attitude insight yet. But for me, he was by far the most discussed player among those I spoke with at the Senior Bowl. Between his parents’ role in his college career, Connor’s attitude toward teammates and to people in the draft process (including the Senior Bowl) and plenty of stories during his Michigan State career, it’s become clear that he’s closer to a third-round pick than a first-rounder thanks to mental make-up and attitude concerns.

-At least two NFL GMs gave agents’ advice to limit their pursuit of Connor Cook, and I’m sure they aren’t alone in their discouraging comments. That being said, the Denver Broncos are the one team that still may consider him in round one because of his Kubiak fit and pro-readiness. But that would take a Peyton Manning retirement and Brock Osweiler to leave town.

–Christian Hackenberg to the Texans; I’m putting that in dark pencil until I hear otherwise, even if that means mocking it in round one for now

http://optimumscouting.com/scouts-n...ok-woes-stanleyoakman-concerns-much-more.html

thanks good info

 

[AzorAhai]

Question for the board. Does anybody actually believe these kind of draft resources are privy to what any team's value board looks like? If one even exists right now in the first week of February?

It always fails the smell test when I read stuff like that. Even the back***wards Cowboys aren't dumb enough to let their scouting become public knowledge like that. A dumb brainfart picture of the GM standing next to our value board during the draft, yes. Like this? No.

It really depends on what it is thats being reported. If its more of the vague stuff like this team likes player A or that team has player B graded highly it's more believable. The stuff talking about teams are considering player A in the 1st or player B is at the top of that teams board seems completely unrealistic. Teams aren't even done with the grading process yet. How could they have anyone on top of a board that they haven't even put together yet? And I doubt anyone involved enough with putting that board together is telling bloggers who sits at the top of it.

 

[RS12]

-Players who may not be discussed as first-rounders yet that may quietly emerge there: Arkansas’s RB Alex Collins, Oklahoma WR Sterling Shepard, Boise State SAF Darian Thompson, Maryland OLB Yannick Ngokou, Texas DT Hassan Ridgeway and Mississippi State DT Chris Jones.

Anybody think Ridgeway is that good or has that kind of upside?

 

[Sydla]

also from same article/ site...............There will be more that comes about the Robert Nkemdiche window-falling incident in the weeks to come, especially as the coverage of Nkemdiche’s ramps up at the Combine. And that incident may involve currently projected #1 overall pick Laremy Tunsil in a way that could impact Tunsil’s draft value.

That caught my eye too. Wut?

 

[sbark]

That caught my eye too. Wut?

that would / could shake up the draft order...........wasn't R. Gregory a top 5/ 10 last year before the marry jane issue etc hit the news, with positive testing occuring