Staubach smiling- Navy sinks Irish

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Boy... that one flew right over your head...

When you play for one of the armed forces schools you realize you may not have a career in the NFL, but that is not even the point. The kids that go to our military academies are the best of the best. These kids realize they have a commitment to our armed forces...

We were fortunate enough to have Chad Hennings on our team...

He was only available because he was too darn big to fly anything other than A-10 Wart Hogs (tank busters) if I remember correctly...

Not many teams take a flyer on military kids. The Cowboys have a history of doing just that...

This is what you wrote

"I'm sure it was, given the devout Catholic that he is...

But when the Naval Academy, or Air Force or West Point come calling, it isn't even an issue. It's among the finest educations in the country...

Roger made the right decision"

You definitely implied if you get an academy after you, you have to go. Perhaps your point was not very clear.

 

[burmafrd]

Archie Griffen was NOT deserving of even 1 let alone two.

By the way

http://www.kiva.net/~jsagarin/sports/cfsend.htm

See who has the toughest schedules this year in CF.

 

[Concord]

Archie Griffen was NOT deserving of even 1 let alone two.

You say some pretty stupid things...I'll just add this to the list.

And it's Griffin...not Griffen.

 

[burmafrd]

mispelled or not he never deserved either one. And only a OSU homer like you thinks he did.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Ahhh, the seaman expert, so how many pints of seaman do you drink every day?

Saw this one coming from a long, long ways away.

You get extra consideration for that one.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Roger said himself he wanted to go to ND. He said it was his #1 choice, but that they didn't recruit him till after he signed and committed to Navy.


Read the book "Cowboys Have Always Been My Heroes". Not sure what page number, but it's about the middle of the book.

This is true. He did want to go to ND. ND had Haurte and and a couple of other Blue Chip QBs already signed and so, they didn't go after Roger. It's better that Roger Staubach went to Navy. Coming from NMMI, it was a very good move for him and I'd have to say that the exerience he gained from his military back round has severd him well down through the years.

 

[Concord]

mispelled or not he never deserved either one. And only a OSU homer like you thinks he did.

He deserved both and won both.

You're obviously delusional and I dare say alone in your thinking...I really don't know why I argue with your stupid statements...but here are some facts.


Archie ran for 5,589 yards, which still stands as an OSU record (only Eddie George is within 2,000 yards of him), 26 TDs, with a 6.13 yards per carry average (NCAA record). Archie ranks fifth in all-time rushing yardage in NCAA history,(He was 1st all time in 1975 when he won the Heisman)and his record of 34 career 100-yard games and his remarkable string of 31 straight regular season games of 100 yards of more might never be broken. Archie is also just the third player to ever win Big Ten Player of the Year twice.

1974 & 1975 - 40th & 41st Awards
Archie Griffin
Ohio State Back

As a junior at Ohio State Archie was named to every All-American team and was called "the greatest football player I've ever coached" by Woody Hayes. Combining power, speed and an uncanny ability to break four or five tackles on a single play, he smashed the all-time record for running backs in the Big Ten, amassing 4,064 yards. As a senior Archie extended his record of consecutive 100-yards plus games to 31, his overall yardage to 5,176 and became the only player ever to win the Heisman twice. Griffin was exceptional in several ways. Of course, he was magnificently consistent, yards week in and week out. Griffin, a leader both on the field and off, always remained modest. Most significantly, Archie reflected the high standards of the Griffin family, exemplifying hard work, devotion to excellence and resilience. After graduating early from Ohio State with an excellent scholastic record, Griffin was signed by the Cincinnati Bengals. He is currently working at his alma mater as Associate Director of Athletics.

Archie was elected to the National Football Foundation and College Hall of Fame in 1986.


The Voting - 1974
Points
Place Name School Class Pos. 1 2 3 Total
1st Archie Griffin Ohio State Jr. RB 483 198 75 1,920
2nd Anthony Davis Southern California Sr. TB 120 148 163 819
3rd Joe Washington Oklahoma Jr. HB 87 146 108 661
4th Tom Clements Notre Dame Sr. QB 26 49 68 244
5th David Humm Nebraska Sr. QB 23 46 49 210
6th Dennis Franklin Michigan Sr. DE 6 30 22 100
7th Rod Shoate Oklahoma Sr. LB 12 16 29 97
8th Gary Sheide Brigham Young Sr. QB 12 19 16 90
9th Randy White Maryland Sr. DT 9 20 18 85
10th Steve Bartkowski California Sr. QB 6 13 30 74



Ohio State junior star Archie Griffin won in a landslide, getting more than four times the number of first place points as runnerup Anthony Davis of Southern California. Running backs took the top three positions.

No. of registered electors: 1,075
Date of announcement: December 3, 1974
Date of dinner: December 12, 1974


The positions within each region are as follows:


Place EAST SOUTH MIDWEST SOUTHWEST FAR WEST
1st Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin
2nd Davis Davis Washington Washington Davis
3rd Washington Washington Davis Davis Washington
4th Clements Solomon Humm Shoate Scheide
5th White Clements Clements Sheide Bartkowski


Griffin became the only two-time Heisman Trophy winner as he took four of the five regions. Chuck Muncie of California won the West to prevent Griffin from back-to-back sweeps of the sections. It was a standout year for running backs as they took the top six spots and seven out of the top 10.


The Voting - 1975
Points
Place Name School Class Pos. 1 2 3 Total
1st Archie Griffin Ohio State Sr. RB 454 167 104 1,800
2nd Chuck Muncie California Sr. TB 145 104 87 730
3rd Ricky Bell Southern California Jr. TB 70 169 160 708
4th Tony Dorsett Pittsburgh Jr. RB 66 149 120 616
5th Joe Washington Oklahoma Sr. HB 29 47 69 250
6th Jimmy Dubose Florida Sr. RB 19 13 29 112
7th John Sciarra UCLA Sr. QB 12 15 20 86
8th Gordon Bell Michigan Sr. TB 2 27 24 84
9th Leroy Selmon Oklahoma Sr. DT 7 22 14 79
10th Gene Swick Toledo Sr. QB 5 19 20 73




No. of registered electors: 1,041
Date of announcement: December 2, 1975
Date of dinner: December 11, 1975


The positions within each region are as follows:


Place EAST SOUTH MIDWEST SOUTHWEST FAR WEST
1st Griffin Griffin Griffin Griffin Muncie
2nd Dorsett Dorsett R. Bell Muncie Griffin
3rd Muncie R. Bell Muncie Washington R. Bell
4th R. Bell Muncie Dorsett R. Bell Dorsett
5th Washington Dubose Washington Dorsett Sciarra

 

[Rack]

This is true. He did want to go to ND. ND had Haurte and and a couple of other Blue Chip QBs already signed and so, they didn't go after Roger. It's better that Roger Staubach went to Navy. Coming from NMMI, it was a very good move for him and I'd have to say that the exerience he gained from his military back round has severd him well down through the years.

Agreed 100%, and that's coming from a ND fan. I'm glad he went to Navy.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Ah but had he started in the NFL sooner, the Boys might have 6 or 7 SBs

 

[burmafrd]

Yeah, Archie Griffin was SUCH a good pro. Crap. Muncie was the better player. Archie running behind that great O line against the Little 8 and other patsies.
For all the garbage I get about defending JJ, you take homerism to a total extreme.

 

[Concord]

Yeah, Archie Griffin was SUCH a good pro. Crap. Muncie was the better player. Archie running behind that great O line against the Little 8 and other patsies.
For all the garbage I get about defending JJ, you take homerism to a total extreme.

He sucked as a Pro. That wasn't my write up...that was someone else's I copied and pasted.

http://www.bucknuts.com/osuhistory/heisman_archiegriffin.htm

http://www.heisman.com/winners/a-griffin74.html

And anyone who has read my views on former Ohio St players in the Pros knows that I don't care what they do in the Pros after they leave Ohio St.

BUT the College numbers were correct.

In college he was awsome.

To say anything else would make you...

But I think we already know that.

 

[Rack]

Ah but had he started in the NFL sooner, the Boys might have 6 or 7 SBs

Possibly, but he might not have gotten a chance to play cuz Meredith was still around. In fact, the ONLY reason Staubach got a chance to play when he did is cuz Meredith retired before Staubach's rookie year (and I don't blame him) and Craig Morton was hurt. Plus some other QB (can't remember his name) demanded to be traded. That shot Roger up the depth chart and gave him a chance to play as a rookie.

 

[joseephuss]

Possibly, but he might not have gotten a chance to play cuz Meredith was still around. In fact, the ONLY reason Staubach got a chance to play when he did is cuz Meredith retired before Staubach's rookie year (and I don't blame him) and Craig Morton was hurt. Plus some other QB (can't remember his name) demanded to be traded. That shot Roger up the depth chart and gave him a chance to play as a rookie.

Jerry Rhome?

If Staubach doesn't have his Navy commitment he may not have been a Cowboy. He would have been a first rounder with a few teams trying to draft him. Dallas drafted Scott Appleton #4 overall that year and the first QB was taken one pick later. It is possible that Staubach would have been available for Dallas to draft, but who knows for certain.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Roger should be thrilled, no doubt. But in all honesty, Charlie "the genius" Weiss has that program in shambles.

ND has A LOT of money. They may just buy the bum out.

I've been saying Weiss has been overrated for years including his days at NE when he rode Bellichek's success. But there is no way they fire him after this season. If it's one thing Charlie can do well, it's that he can talk and convince people he is better than he is aka recruit well.

For all these Weiss vs Willingham debates, the thing people forget is that Weiss proved he could recruit. Granted, Weiss hasn't done anything with that talent. And there is no excuse for not developing some talent in a top 5 recruiting class to beat a team like Navy. But Notre Dame isn't stupid. They will let him have another year and another recruiting class before they fire him.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

I've been saying Weiss has been overrated for years including his days at NE when he rode Bellichek's success. But there is no way they fire him after this season. If it's one thing Charlie can do well, it's that he can talk and convince people he is better than he is aka recruit well.

For all these Weiss vs Willingham debates, the thing people forget is that Weiss proved he could recruit. Granted, Weiss hasn't done anything with that talent. And there is no excuse for not developing some talent in a top 5 recruiting class to beat a team like Navy. But Notre Dame isn't stupid. They will let him have another year and another recruiting class before they fire him.

It will be interesting to see if any top players want to go to South Bend after this season.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

It will be interesting to see if any top players want to go to South Bend after this season.

It wouldn't suprise me if they did. I learned that people who can recruit can do so anywhere regardless of team records. Ron Zook can still recruit despite Illinois' records. Weis is a snake oil salesman. He knows how to promote himself well and to unsuspecting high school kid, he looks impressive. Still, it won't matter if he gets another top 5 class, he can't coach on the field. He coaches like a fan coaches; he is too ambitious in his play calling at times which gets his team in trouble.

 

[coogrfan]

It will be interesting to see if any top players want to go to South Bend after this season.

According to Rivals.com, ND's 2008 recruiting class is currently ranked #1 in the nation.