Staubach v. Aikman v. Romo

[SDCowboy]

Romo isn''t as good as Danny White, and he certainly isn't in the conversation with regards to Aikman and Staubach....

Isn't as good as White?

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Isn't as good as White?

Danny White was a hell of a QB... I think he was undervalued in the minds of fans.

 

[Ultra Warrior]

There's way more to it than stats. Staubach was the guy who more than anyone else made the Cowboys 'America's Team'...not to mention his much deserved moniker as 'Captain America' and he lead us to our first two SB victories. He is enshrined in the Pro Football HOF.

Aikman...what a leader...on and off the field and one of the most accurate passers in NFL history. He led us out of the NFL wasteland and into the promised land to become the "Team of the Nineties" with 3 SB victories in a four year span. He is enshrined in the Pro Football HOF.

Romo is a really good NFL QB with a chance to be great. Just the fact that he wasn't even drafted...yet has come so far...is the stuff of dreams. His opportunity to stand side-by-side with Staubach and Aikman is still in front of him. He has to win a SB or two to gain that stature.

What we have in Staubach, Aikman and Romo...are two legends and one player who has the chance to etch his name in the same stone as theirs. I sure hope he does it.

Hammer

Staubach also lead us to 2 Super Bowl Losses. Aikman has never failed in THAT game. Romo has yet to get there.

Aikman > Staubach > Romo

 

[utrunner07]

Anyone that would put Romo ahead of Troy or Roger at this point is going to have a very hard time defending their argument logically and with reason. Yes, Romo has a great opportunity to be up there with the likes of those two, but no, he is not there yet. Romo MUST win at least one superbowl (IMO he must appear in at least three and win one or, appear in 2 and win both) in order to be comparable. Look at it this way, does anyone here think Dan Marrino is as good of QB as Staubach or Aikman? I doubt it.

Being one of the greatest QBs in the NFL takes A LOT more than just stats, IMO. (Though it does require solid stats). Romo has the stats, I think he is starting to develop his own style of leadership, and it looks like he is going to have a 3-5 year window to make a few runs. That said it is unfair to Aikman and Staubach (and Romo for that matter, considering he makes up there) to go ahead and put Romo at that level. In the future he may be up there with these two, but, not yet.

If I had to rank them I would probably say Aikman>Staubach>>>>>>Romo (needs time and post season victories)

That said I never was able to watch Staubach and would gladly defer and claim ignorance if some of the old timers here think Staubach is better.

 

[Tricericon]

Where did you get these rankings? Aikman has an almost 1:1 TD:INT ratio. That's pretty bad. I can't imagine him ever being ranked 1st in pass efficiency. And I don't care what he was ranked then, Aikman couldn't dream of putting up the kind of numbers Romo does behind a horrible oline.

pre-1992 they are P-F-R's ANYA
1993 on they are Football Outsiders' DVOA
Quick and dirty, like I said.

I invite you to look at the same thing using any efficiency stat you want, you should get roughly similar results.

Passing TDs are overrated as an evaluation of QBs, especially when said QB gets to hand off to Emmitt Smith near the goalline.

 

[theogt]

Considering eras...

Staubach > Romo > Aikman

 

[The Quest for Six]

Considering eras...

Staubach > Romo > Aikman

My order of greatness

Staubach - Aikman(thee most accurate passer in the history of the NFL) - Meredith - White - Romo....

I'm old enough to have seen them all play

 

[bbgun]

Passing rules weren't liberalized until very late in Roger's career (1978), so that's another thing to consider.

 

[SDCowboy]

My order of greatness

Staubach - Aikman(thee most accurate passer in the history of the NFL) -

Romo has a better % than either of them with more attempts per game.

 

[dbair1967]

That's odd since Romo has a better % than either of them with more attempts per game.

There's a whole lot more to accuracy than just a completion %.

Love Romo, but he cant throw the ball anywhere near the way Aikman could. The Cowboy lived off attacking the intermediate to deep areas of the field for years under Norv Turner and Ernie Zampese.

I remember being at training camp in 1992 for a week, and the only time a ball hit the ground in any drill Aikman did was when a guy dropped one.

 

[dbair1967]

That's odd since Romo has a better % than either of them with more attempts per game.

There's a whole lot more to accuracy than just a completion %.

Love Romo, but he cant throw the ball anywhere near the way Aikman could. The Cowboys lived off attacking the intermediate to deep areas of the field for years under Norv Turner and Ernie Zampese.

I remember being at training camp in 1992 for a week, and the only time a ball hit the ground in any drill Aikman did was when a guy dropped one.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Guys, passing gets easier and easier every year. You can't just compare number straight up between '79 and '09.

I threw this together in a hurry using PFR and FO so it may not be perfect but it'll get the point across.

Roger Staubach ranked 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 5th, 5th, 9th, and 11th in pass efficiency among qualifying NFL QBs in his 8 years as a starter.

Troy Aikman ranked 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 8th, 9th, and 19th plus one more in the 11-15 (couldn't get '91 pinned down) range in the same stat during his career, discounting 89 90 99 and 2000. (He also played 16 playoff games, which if treated as another season would have been his best by far.)

Romo has ranked 5th, 6th, 7th and 10th.

As much as I love Romo, he's in the conversation with White and Meredith not Aikman and Staubach. Period.

Thank you.

I can tell that some of the younger posters don't realize just how much tougher it was to pass the ball back then.

I remember being at training camp in 1992 for a week, and the only time a ball hit the ground in any drill Aikman did was when a guy dropped one.

Same thing here. Aikman was unreal. Seeing him and Romo in person, there's no comparison.

 

[SDCowboy]

There's a whole lot more to accuracy than just a completion %.

Love Romo, but he cant throw the ball anywhere near the way Aikman could. The Cowboys lived off attacking the intermediate to deep areas of the field for years under Norv Turner and Ernie Zampese.

I remember being at training camp in 1992 for a week, and the only time a ball hit the ground in any drill Aikman did was when a guy dropped one.

Completion % is accuracy. You're remembering Aikman on a level based on his legendary status. He is not more accurate than Romo or he'd have a better percentage and he wouldn't have a near 1:1 td/int ratio. 63% is more accurate than 61%. Period.

 

[dbair1967]

Completion % is accuracy. You're remembering Aikman on a level based on his legendary status. He is not more accurate than Romo or he'd have a better percentage and he wouldn't have a near 1:1 td/int ratio. 63% is more accurate than 61%. Period.

Jeez.

 

[SDCowboy]

Jeez.

Ok so Romo has more yards/attempt, better ratios, better QB rating, more yards and TDs per season, better completion %, and better every single other individual stat. How is Aikman more accurate?

 

[Gzus]

Ok so Romo has more yards/attempt, better ratios, better QB rating, more yards and TDs per season, better completion %, and better every single other individual stat. How is Aikman more accurate?

I'd have to agree with this assessment.... If Romo can keep it up for his career then he'll be considered more accurate.

 

[Tricericon]

Ok so Romo has more yards/attempt, better ratios, better QB rating, more yards and TDs per season, better completion %, and better every single other individual stat. How is Aikman more accurate?

Accuracy is the ability to put the football where the quarterback intends to put it.

Completion percentage is the percentage of throws that are caught.

Please note that they are not the same thing. Accuracy is a factor in completion percentage, along with (non-exclusive list):
*Decision making
*Arm strength
*Difficulty of throw (including distance, angle, and timing)
*Quality of receivers
*Quality of blocking
*Offensive play calling
*The extent to which defensive players are allowed to mug receivers

2 points of completion percentage 10 years apart is very little grounds to proclaim Romo more accurate.

Random thought:
Every observer I've ever heard from has identified accuracy as Aikman's greatest strength. From my own perception (You may disagree) I would say Romo's greatest strengths are decision making, mobility, and his quick release.

 

[lqmac1]

Throw in some rationalization. But the Haley v. Ware thread was interesting so I'm sure this one will blow up too. Which QB is the best Cowboy QB? Staubach, Aikman, or Romo (whenever his career ends)

Staubach: 11 Seasons, 1685 completions on 2958 attempts for 22,700 yards and 153 TDs & 109 Ints. 20 Rushing TDs on 410 rush attempts. Sacked 313 times. 7.7 yards/attempt average. career completion pct 57.0%. Career passer rating 83.4

Aikman: 12 Seasons, 2898 completions on 4715 attempts for 32,942 yards and 165 TDs & 141 Ints. 9 Rushing TDs on 327 rush attempts. Sacked 259 times. 7.0 yards/attempt average. career completion pct 61.5%. Career passer rating 81.6

Romo: 8 Seasons (4 playing), 1178 completions on 1857 attempts for 15,045 yards and 107 TD & 55 Ints. 3 Rushing TDs on 130 rush attempts. Sacked 99 times. 8.1 yards/attempt average. career completion pct 63.4%. Career passer rating 95.6


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FIGHT!!!


Yeah I'm gonna have to go with Romo He's our current QB so I have to believe he's gonna be our best and if you look at his numbers and extrapolate it looks like he'll blow all other Cowboy passing records outta the water.

If you say he'll play a total of 10 useful seasons then we can extrapolate it to be:
10 playing seasons: 2945 completions on 4642 attempts for 37,613 yards and 268 TDs and 138 Ints. 8 Rushing TDs on 325 rush attempts. Sacked 248 times. While all the other averages stay the same.

By the way he could very well increase his average by improving his game and further blow Aikman and Staubach outta the water. Of course he needs a ring or two to really compete but from a QB talent stand point I've got Romo ahead of Aikman then Staubach. I have Staubach last because Aikman has 3 rings to Staubach's 2 and I grew up watching Aikman so I'm kinda ignorant to the Staubach era


If A Mod could make this a poll it would be very much appreciated.

Men lie, Women lie, numbers don't. Romo owns almost every qb record in Dallas Cowboys history.

 

[AtomicDog]

If we're in a superbowl and I need to pick one of the three to play it:

Staubach-Aikman-Romo a distant third. Aikman never lost a superbowl, but he didn't have to face the Steelers of the 70's. Still, I would pick Roger to be the QB in the superbowl.

Unfortunately Romo still needs more playoff skins to be considered with Aikman and Staubach. I think he can get there though.

 

[anava]

Was to young to compare Staubach to Aikman and Romo...But I know Romo isnt even close to those two yet. The league is designed to have high power offenses now. Back in Staubach and Aikmans days CBs could get away with alot more.