Steele and Mcgovern

[xwalker]

So steele is just a monster in the run game and his pass protection is still improving I wanna know y’all thoughts on connor mcgovern this season

McGovern playing better than CWill did in 2021.

 

[thunderpimp91]

I'm not saying he will make a pro bowl but he has been very solid in both run & pass pro. Williams was the weak link that was abused whenever the other team needed to make a play.
I know he moved to C in Miami and at least started the season well. Not sure how he is doing now. Maybe the change to C will help him thrive but he wasn't a good G.

I won't go on and on about a former player, especially in this sense where we probably wont agree in the end, and that's OK. Personally I like Williams better. Even without moving him to C, I thought he was a really good G, but had the penalty issue a year ago and also had to deal with a lesser Biadasz and Steele playing out of position most of the year. This year they have had an improved C, more stability at the LT position, a RB that didn't have just one leg, an O coordinator that seems willing to stick to the run game, and overall better blocking out of their TEs with the ability to go to 2 and 3 TE sets.

I think it's an apples to oranges comparison at this point. Not faulting anyone who was down on Williams last year, I was a defender of the guy, but certainly in the minority.

 

[noshame]

Jerry Has this right move Smith to guard let Tyron play tackle and let Peters give people a series off
keep everybody fresh.
We will be able to run right or run left at will
defenses aren't ready to handle that

 

[Daillest88]

McGovern playing better than CWill did in 2021.

Yup I think so too.

 

[McKDaddy]

Not faulting anyone who was down on Williams last year, I was a defender of the guy, but certainly in the minority.

We generally see things similarly. This just happens to be one topic we don't. All good.

 

[Acceptablename]

Let's consider a few things.
Most of their biggest runs have come to the left
Wherever the play ends, you often see 66.
Many breakdowns show how nicely 66 gets to the next level to block in space.
He has a little nasty to him
Dak is getting very little pressure. 66 helps his guys and anchors down in pass pro. Not getting thrown into the pocket like CWill.
Many teams would take him in a heartbeat.

Man that would make things a lot better if you were correct. I live out of the stage and basing my comments on comments from the zone on the governor. I watch the games on a iPad so I don’t get a lot of visual this would really make the draft a lot simpler I watch closely

 

[xwalker]

IDK about that I would actually take Williams over McGovern if all other aspects are equal. Williams is a bonafide starter in this league with some obvious flaws. McGovern I see as a fringe starter. He probably always has a job as it's tough to find 5 quality Olinemen for a team these days, but I'm skeptical he ever makes a pro bowl, even as an alternate.

I often posted that CWill was better than most fan opinion of him. He was good vs Aaron.Donald even in CWill's rookie season. Much better vs quickness than vs power.

Having said that, McGovern is now playing better than CWill did for the Cowboys. You have to include penalties in the evaluation.

 

[conner01]

Well, given the state of NFL line play, I don't think this is as true as it once was. When you have a truly viable player today, you are ahead of about half the league.

Tackle maybe
But guards are much easier to draft
It’s hard to have two OT , a guard on second contracts and then pay another one

 

[thunderpimp91]

I often posted that CWill was better than most fan opinion of him. He was good vs Aaron.Donald even in CWill's rookie season. Much better vs quickness than vs power.

Having said that, McGovern is now playing better than CWill did for the Cowboys. You have to include penalties in the evaluation.

No issue with that, to be honest my post is really more in support of CWill than knocking McGovern. I'm still a little hesitant on McG, but I've really not studied him very close the last few weeks either, I've had a lot more fun breaking down the defensive film the last few weeks. I know his stretch to open the season was pretty rough. I hope you guys are right and the opinion that McG being better than Cwill has more to do with McG stepping up than just a low opinion of Cwill.

I'm not really factoring in the penalties into the equation simply because last year seemed to be an outlier for Williams. He had 15 last year, but don't think his career high was more than 6 in any other season. Take away the penalties and I think Williams was a pretty solid G overall, and if I am a GM I'm counting on that number going back down to match his career numbers. Obviously if you are just looking at Williams 2021 vs McGovern 2022 that is a factor though.

It's an issue I'll keep a closer eye on though. Especially with a Tyron Smith comeback becoming a reality this topic needs more discussion.

 

[xwalker]

No issue with that, to be honest my post is really more in support of CWill than knocking McGovern. I'm still a little hesitant on McG, but I've really not studied him very close the last few weeks either, I've had a lot more fun breaking down the defensive film the last few weeks. I know his stretch to open the season was pretty rough. I hope you guys are right and the opinion that McG being better than Cwill has more to do with McG stepping up than just a low opinion of Cwill.

I'm not really factoring in the penalties into the equation simply because last year seemed to be an outlier for Williams. He had 15 last year, but don't think his career high was more than 6 in any other season. Take away the penalties and I think Williams was a pretty solid G overall, and if I am a GM I'm counting on that number going back down to match his career numbers. Obviously if you are just looking at Williams 2021 vs McGovern 2022 that is a factor though.

It's an issue I'll keep a closer eye on though. Especially with a Tyron Smith comeback becoming a reality this topic needs more discussion.

• McGovern snaps played in 2022
  • Game 1: 10% then injured.
  • Game 2: Did Not Play
  • Game 3: DNP
  • Game 4% 66%
  • Game 5: 100%
  • Game 6 to present: Averaged 95%

 

[McKDaddy]

Tackle maybe
But guards are much easier to draft
It’s hard to have two OT , a guard on second contracts and then pay another one

G are easier but a lot of them still aren't really ready for the NFL right out of college. I watch quite a few NFL games most weeks and overall a lot of G's are just borderline players. Quality interior players used to be really plentiful but seems to be less so now.

Sure, money is going to be a deciding factor. I'm simply saying he's going to get offers based on his play. If you can keep him at a reasonable number, we should go into next year without any glaring needs on OL and with confidence in what we have rather than "hoping" the new guy works out.

 

[jrumann59]

CWill wasn't a very good G. McG is much more solid.

Overall he was better than McGovern, McGovern while strong not extremely agile, still gets beat to the gap side 3-4 times a game. CWill sucked at bull rushes. Put both together you have a complete guard. Rather have guy that can be beat by a good bull rush than a guy that can be out quicked, more quick DTs than DTs with good bull rushes.

 

[conner01]

G are easier but a lot of them still aren't really ready for the NFL right out of college. I watch quite a few NFL games most weeks and overall a lot of G's are just borderline players. Quality interior players used to be really plentiful but seems to be less so now.

Sure, money is going to be a deciding factor. I'm simply saying he's going to get offers based on his play. If you can keep him at a reasonable number, we should go into next year without any glaring needs on OL and with confidence in what we have rather than "hoping" the new guy works out.

I guess it depends on what reasonable is and how that fits in the cap. Is 9-10 mil reasonable and can you make that fit in the cap

 

[CowboyRoy]

So steele is just a monster in the run game and his pass protection is still improving I wanna know y’all thoughts on connor mcgovern this season

Mcgovern Sucks!!!

 

[conner01]

McGovern's played well enough to the point where I want him back next year. He'd make a solid backup.

We as fans tend to over value some players, hopefully that is the case with McGovern and we can afford to re-sign him.

Too expensive to be a backup
This is his first shot at getting paid and he’s gonna get starter money

 

[conner01]

McGovern playing better than CWill did in 2021.

With a tenth of the penalties lol

 

[conner01]

Being a Cowboy FA, Miami will probably give him 5 years, 50 million.

Those numbers wouldn’t shock me
Looking at guards contracts around 9-10 a year is probably gonna be close to what he gets

 

[Direwolf63]

McGovern's played well enough to the point where I want him back next year. He'd make a solid backup.

We as fans tend to over value some players, hopefully that is the case with McGovern and we can afford to re-sign him.

McGovern won't return as a backup.

He's good enough to start for somebody.

Very good as a run blocker. Can get overwhelmed as a pass blocker, but is acceptable. He's a good player with more upside potential

 

[bigE79]

Honestly on par with CWill. McGovern has some holes in his game and he can be out quicked by many.

If he played his natural position,RG,I think he could be excellent,but with having #70 , he'll never get that chance.

 

[Rayman70]

So steele is just a monster in the run game and his pass protection is still improving I wanna know y’all thoughts on connor mcgovern this season

Steele was an absolute STEAL ha ha. He was an UDFA and Will McClay nailed another Gem. WM has been carrying the organization for many years now. He is a top 5 guy in the entire league, bar none. We are lucky 2 have him. CM gets better with every snap. We draft better than any team in the league, I think.