Steelers' 2 point Conversion Strategy

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drawandstrike said:
They tried for 2 pt conversions ...

Huge that our D didn't let them convert a single 2 pt attempt.

We won by 5.
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I wish our D hadnot given them so many chances for going for 2 point conversion, a bit too much for my liking . :rolleyes:
 
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They've probably done research that shows, in the aggregate, it either evens out or gives you a slight advantage.
 
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links18 said:
Since they changed the rules to allow a failed conversion to be returned for points, is there ever a reason to not do your utmost not to get tackled after making an interception, i.e. lateral the ball, etc.?
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Carr should have lateraled the ball......no sense in getting tackled 1/2 way there
 
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ScipioCowboy said:
They've probably done research that shows, in the aggregate, it either evens out or gives you a slight advantage.
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Possibly, but I wonder how many attempts does it take for it to go in your favor and if it is worth it to try in any given game?
 
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links18 said:
Possibly, but I wonder how many attempts does it take for it to go in your favor and if it is worth it to try in any given game?
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I'm not sure I understand the premise. If the Steelers made 70% of their 2 point conversions, their expected points after touchdown is 1.4 points per TD. That's much higher than if they make 100% of their field goals (1 point extra per TD)
 
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drawandstrike said:
They tried for 2 pt conversions 4 times. That's 4 points they left off the board by doing that. Had they converted on just 2 of them, they'd have gotten the 4 points back. But they didn't.

Huge that our D didn't let them convert a single 2 pt attempt. Also holding them to 3 FG attempts was huge. They made 2 FG's and missed 1. If Pitt had scored on a single 1 of those 2 pt attempts and scored a TD instead of being held to a FG on just 1 of those 3 FG attempts, that's a 6 point difference.

We won by 5.
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If we go for it on 4th and 1 instead of kicking it then we have another td instead of 3 points. It goes both way. They didn't make the plays to win, we did. Stop with the ifs
 
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kurtatx said:
I'm not sure I understand the premise. If the Steelers made 70% of their 2 point conversions, their expected points after touchdown is 1.4 points per TD. That's much higher than if they make 100% of their field goals (1 point extra per TD)
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Except you can't get 1.4 pts after each TD you can only get 0,1 or 2. It may go in your favor after a certain number of tries, but you aren't guaranteed to reach that N in any given game. So the reward may outweigh the risk over the course of a season, but does it in any given game, as at the moment you decide to go for 2 (in a situation in which it is not dictated by game situation, such as after the Steelers' first two TDs), you do not know what your N size will be in that game. And yes, I just confused myself....
 
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links18 said:
Except you can't get 1.4 pts after each TD you can only get 0,1 or 2. It may go in your favor after a certain number of tries, but you aren't guaranteed to reach that N in any given game. So the reward may outweigh the risk over the course of a season, but does it in any given game, as at the moment you decide to go for 2 (in a situation in which it is not dictated by game situation, such as after the Steelers' first two TDs), you do not know what your N size will be in that game. And yes, I just confused myself....
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Statistically, though, they should probably go for it almost every time. It's low risk. There are a ton of other things Pittsburgh could have done to win that game.
 
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jimnabby said:
They've been doing this since the new XP rule last year. The math is pretty straightforward. the XP is about a 94% proposition. If you think your odds are significantly better than 47% of making the 2-pointer, you should do it (ignoring late-game game-score-based decisions). If you don't, you should kick the XP.

The Steelers were much much better than 50% when they tried it last year. They bought themselves a lot of points that way. We should be praising the Dallas D for stopping the Steelers at something they're good at, not laughing at them for a "dumb" strategy.

I'm surprised more teams don't go for 2 more often. (Ha! I'm not really surprised. Nobody is more conservative than NFL coaches).
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Exactly. Sorry to say see so much lack of understanding in this thread.
 
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CyberB0b said:
Well, since they pushed it back, it is only around 94-95%. If you feel that a 2 point conversion is a 50/50 proposition, it is better to go for 2.
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Not unless you are guaranteed to get two tries per game. (Said the guy who failed Algebra).
 
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