Stephen Jones on FA losses

[Bowdown27]

So bold.
Such blunt.

Those are words you'd expect to hear from a GM behind closed doors after a few drinks. Pretty shocked he'd throw former players under the bus like that, but at least it sounds like we're getting the all-defensive draft we've been craving.

Perfectly put. I laughed reading Stephen comments. Blatantly said that we don't want them back

 

[KingintheNorth]

I know, he actually picks the ball off. What a horrible thing to have

Yep, one interception last year. Killing it.

 

[Chuck 54]

The guy looked like he didn't belong on the field when he got extensive playing time a few years ago. It is possible for players to improve though.

I personally believe his upside is a lot like Wilcox, he is better in small doses. If you give opposing defenses an opportunity to strategize against him, you're going to be in trouble.

As I said, players improve...I wouldn't mind giving him a shot to earn the starting spot but I wouldn't be married to him starting either.

Let's not forget he was playing as a rookie from a small school.

 

[jterrell]

When he does people accuse the Joneses of never saying anything of substance and talking in circles. They can't win.

jerry is and has always been allowed to say whatever he wants for me. --owner/marketing savant/cashmeousside girl
and i've praised stephen for taking the opposite approach. --team president/CEO
so this take is me being consistent.
i am hardly a jones' basher.

 

[dogunwo]

jerry is and has always been allowed to say whatever he wants for me. --owner/marketing savant/cashmeousside girl
and i've praised stephen for taking the opposite approach. --team president/CEO
so this take is me being consistent.
i am hardly a jones' basher.

Didn't really mean it towards you, just a comment on the fact that there are many fans who complain on each side of the spectrum.

 

[casmith07]

Explain, please? Thanks.

NFL players usually get three contracts in a career if they're really good.

Rookie: 4 or 5 years (dependent on round selected)
2nd Contract: 3 to 5 years
3rd Contract: the "twilight contract."

Usually by the time someone reaches the end of their 2nd contract, they're around 30 years old. Some players are older, depending on if they get intermediate extensions during that 2nd contract (like a Brandon Carr); you should always be wary of the market for guys who are 30+ looking for a big pay day in that 3rd contract. Stephen Jones seems to be mentioning that philosophy, and it helps keep your team young and on budget -- unlike before Stephen took the reins, when we gave out huge money to guys pushing that 3rd contract like Marion Barber, Leonard Davis, and others.

 

[tyke1doe]

NFL players usually get three contracts in a career if they're really good.

Rookie: 4 or 5 years (dependent on round selected)
2nd Contract: 3 to 5 years
3rd Contract: the "twilight contract."

Usually by the time someone reaches the end of their 2nd contract, they're around 30 years old. Some players are older, depending on if they get intermediate extensions during that 2nd contract (like a Brandon Carr); you should always be wary of the market for guys who are 30+ looking for a big pay day in that 3rd contract. Stephen Jones seems to be mentioning that philosophy, and it helps keep your team young and on budget -- unlike before Stephen took the reins, when we gave out huge money to guys pushing that 3rd contract like Marion Barber, Leonard Davis, and others.

Thanks.

 

[Alexander]

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Well let's hope he is right.

After all, he's not replacing Darren Woodson and Deion Sanders in their prime..we are replacing a couple "solid" players past their prime.

I wish draft day would get here already so we can get excited about something.

Adding Tapper and Smith as guys that's ready to pay has me excited.......I also can't wait to see who we draft

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Well Church nobody forced you too sign elsewhere......you had a choice and you picked money

 

[big dog cowboy]

Well Church nobody forced you too sign elsewhere......you had a choice and you picked money

He has an unwarranted high opinion of himself looks like. Jones was just telling the truth.

 

[waldoputty]

church is a udfa with limited speed.
no big deal
neither are carr nor mo
the big deal is we ended with the piece of crap from Philly that they are celebrating over.
instead of improving, we actually got a worse player.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

church is a udfa with limited speed.
no big deal
neither are carr nor mo
the big deal is we ended with the piece of crap from Philly that they are celebrating over.
instead of improving, we actually got a worse player.

Did you watch any film of Carroll or is your opinion based on him being available and Philly fan opinion?

 

[waldoputty]

Did you watch any film of Carroll or is your opinion based on him being available and Philly fan opinion?

Dont go by what little tape we have seen.
Pro Football Focus ranked him 92nd out of 112 cornerbacks in 2016
and they had a pretty good pass rush.

Listen to this video about Philly TV talking about Nolan Carroll.
http://www.csnphilly.com/video/should-eagles-bring-back-nolan-carroll
They rather let him go than because their CBs not getting it done.

and he is 30...

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

Dont go by what little tape we have seen.
Pro Football Focus ranked him 92nd out of 112 cornerbacks in 2016
and they had a pretty good pass rush.

Listen to this video about Philly TV talking about Nolan Carroll.
http://www.csnphilly.com/video/should-eagles-bring-back-nolan-carroll
They rather let him go than because their CBs not getting it done.

and he is 30...

I watched the video and they don't talk a bit about his game. Nothing about his strengths or shortcomings, just grass is greener syndrome talk from guys who may or may not know more than the average fan. They didn't say anything that made me think they knew much about Carroll in that clip.

If that video and a flawed PFF system that called Dallas the top secondary in the league last year (do you believe that?) being your evidence, no wonder you're down on the guy. If you watch the tape you will see him cover OBJ, Dez and Antonio Bryant quite capably.

 

[waldoputty]

I watched the video and they don't talk a bit about his game. Nothing about his strengths or shortcomings, just grass is greener syndrome talk from guys who may or may not know more than the average fan. They didn't say anything that made me think they knew much about Carroll in that clip.

If that video and a flawed PFF system that called Dallas the top secondary in the league last year (do you believe that?) being your evidence, no wonder you're down on the guy. If you watch the tape you will see him cover OBJ, Dez and Antonio Bryant quite capably.

oh the philly fans have been talking about him on their boards too like we talk about our garbage players like Free.

i remember him being roasted by dez and was he not the guy our offense were targeting in games?
certainly you are not trying to turn nolan carroll into a good sign.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

oh the philly fans have been talking about him on their boards too like we talk about our garbage players like Free.

i remember him being roasted by dez and was he not the guy our offense were targeting in games?
certainly you are not trying to turn nolan carroll into a good sign.

Carroll isn't a game changer and I don't expect any more turnovers from him than what we chose not to re-sign. But he isn't garbage. If we targeted him (we didn't really) then he was even more impressive because the only plays he gave up were the spectacular Dez catch and the TWill play from Romo.

I think he's at least on par w Carr - he's better on crossing routes.

There are some fans on this board who think Dak isn't a good QB so take fans on message boards w a grain of salt.

 

[waldoputty]

Carroll isn't a game changer and I don't expect any more turnovers from him than what we chose not to re-sign. But he isn't garbage. If we targeted him (we didn't really) then he was even more impressive because the only plays he gave up were the spectacular Dez catch and the TWill play from Romo.

I think he's at least on par w Carr - he's better on crossing routes.

There are some fans on this board who think Dak isn't a good QB so take fans on message boards w a grain of salt.

gamechanger...
if we want crap, just sign patrick robinson for $1M like the eagles did.
they rather lets their losers go and sign vet min players.
if we wanted to be so cheap, use the saved $ and get a decent RT.
instead of the piece of garbage we got.

on par with carr.
carr did not get a pass rush.
this guy did.

 

[GhostOfPelluer]

gamechanger...
if we want crap, just sign patrick robinson for $1M like the eagles did.
they rather lets their losers go and sign vet min players.
if we wanted to be so cheap, use the saved $ and get a decent RT.
instead of the piece of garbage we got.

on par with carr.
carr did not get a pass rush.
this guy did.

All non-star players are not equal. You can't get an honest assessment of a guy based on statistics alone. You definitely can't get an honest assessment of a guy based on a fan message board. Watch the tape and tell me he's crap and why and at least it'll be an honest argument.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Carroll isn't a game changer and I don't expect any more turnovers from him than what we chose not to re-sign.

Instead of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole like they did with Carr I'm thrilled to see the Cowboys actually sign a zone CB. That alone is an upgrade.