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I know a couple of games don't tell everything, but the team may have found a player in David Irving, and he cost nothing. He's a 22 year old rookie, to boot. Haven't heard much mention of him on here, but the very early returns are encouraging.

Yes. Would love to see more of him.... Like yesterday.
 

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Yes. Would love to see more of him.... Like yesterday.

I'm not much into "guarantees", but I will pretty much guarantee that we'll be seeing more of him. The big question is, can he continue to flash what he's shown so far, or will he flame out and end up being an aberration? I'm betting on the good outcome. We'll see.
 

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I'm not much into "guarantees", but I will pretty much guarantee that we'll be seeing more of him. The big question is, can he continue to flash what he's shown so far, or will he flame out and end up being an aberration? I'm betting on the good outcome. We'll see.

well i do think it's time we started looking at the younger players to see where our future is. thankfully in that regard we have a solid OL and the next QB, barring anything horrible - will already be off to a better start than romo.
 

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well i do think it's time we started looking at the younger players to see where our future is. thankfully in that regard we have a solid OL and the next QB, barring anything horrible - will already be off to a better start than romo.

The importance of the OL when it comes to the development of the next QB cannot be overstated. That is one area of the team that we can hang our hat on for roughly the next decade, barring catastrophic injury/personnel mismanagement. Whomever the next QB is won't be able to use a weak OL as an excuse for not getting it done.
 

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I don't know what to say either, except that today's NFL is crazy.

Last year, driving to and from work, I'd hear fans, ex-players (including Irvin) and other analysts make all these exact same points about the Carolina Panthers while they were in the midst of their six game losing streak which actually began with a tie. They didn't have the aging QB issue, but many people thought Cam needed to be replaced altogether (one of their few wins to that point had come when he was out). People talked about a lack of leadership, a vanilla, predictable offense led by Shula, the head coach not being a task master (that's not Rivera's style either), Rivera being a poor game manager, a laundry list of positions that need to be replaced, the QB sucking...everything people here are talking about. They didn't have the exact same needs of course, but they had a lot of them.

Fast forward just one season, same coach, same qb, same offensive coordinator, with some roster changes but not the major changes that were being called for at that time, and they're now being considered one of the best teams in the NFC. Also, they've had injuries this season on both lines, including their best pass rusher, but it seems like anyone they plug in plays at a reasonably high level. Go figure.
 

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whatever title i wind up putting here i promise i didn't come up with until after writing all this. i mean, what can i say? what can any of us say? yes teams falter when they lose a star. even 2. but i've seen them keep playing and from time to time put up a win just the same. it happens every week in the NFL. on any given sunday any team can win.

except a romo-less cowboys.

but for all the money, draft picks and talent we've put on the line over the last few years, we should be better even after losing star players. we just don't give to give a damn across the board and even when we get close, it's just a dream, winning, anymore. i don't know if i'm to the point of accepting losing but i don't know if i can say the same for the team. i don't mean select players.

i mean the romo-less cowboys.

trust me when i say i don't like to write that but here we are. 2-6 and a 180 from anywhere close to where we thought we would be. even in losing murray and having a relative unknown at that position in regard to expected production, no one, NO ONE, pictured. this.

so damn it i want romo back too and will gladly huddle on a ladys lap and cry like a child if it would help. poor kid. (video reference you've either seen or not) poor me. poor us. however, i can't just say this is because we are "the romo-less cowboys" because to be honest, the first 2 games were far from pretty but the ugly wins we covet but don't show off. kinda like bad prom dates.

so this season did in fact start off on shaky ground and like building a subway in LA, it all came down on us.

let's start with the loss of murray. i hated it but like many accepted the $ of it all. i wanted the consistency and cohesion we'd developed and to come off the rushing title and take that into the next season. of all times to do it, we do it now. maybe this hurt us not so much in having murray around, but in other players thinking "well ****, win the title don't get signed, what's up with that?" maybe it broke a chemistry that can be rather fragile in the NFL. i don't pretend to think murray would have come close to a title again let's not dance on crazy-blades here. but i do think "the team" would have been intact and losing that we may never know what it did to the team.

whatever it did it's killing us, the fans. us romo-less cowboys.

1 more week i keep telling myself but this would still be at best, 10-6. when you put it like that hey - we're onto something. there are seasons we've have hugged dez's monkey to sniff 10-6 and hell, mark this as one of them. i'd hug the foo-poo out of that monkey if it would turn things around but like aikman said about oronde gadsdens monkey - always a distraction and proves the teams mind is *not* on football.

that unfortunate fact shows on the field each and every week. we seem to have ate our hype and came back for seconds and thirds and somewhere along the way found a huge bucket of apathy to suck down. again we do have players trying but those are the rare ones and the ones who are not putting forth the effort, well that's wearing out those who are.

all that is a serious lack of leadership, not talent. if anything to me the more talent you have the greater the need for a leader. romo has done that and to the level he's performed even the most ardent bashers must admit he carried this team in recent years. we're getting a look at life after romo and already in this season that was to be ours, i can see that fuse lit and time running out.

with a light mission impossible theme in the back of my mind, we're moving on to tampa and salvaging whatever memories we can from this. if anything in the loss to philly we did fight. now maybe we can win one, just one, before romo comes back. what he will have left to come back to however i don't see him flipping a switch and making it all better given how we played when we were the romo-lead cowboys for (2) games to start this nightmare.

draft position? i'm not even sure we know what we can get out of the draft but to me at this point our top 3 priorities are:

1) qb
2) rb
3) wr

order them up how it makes you happy but i'll stick with that order myself. i want romo back also and i want another year or two with him leading the helm and not getting busted up like a drunken hooker telling police she refuses to be taken in. but we're not likely to have that so we must find someone we feel is next, right or wrong, and stop the stop-gap measures.

rb. we bungholio'd this one. not a single starting rb on this team was even thinking about being a cowboys this year. i'm all for roster churn but at what point do you realize there are no more straws in seattle?

wr. yes we have dez and when dez is on we are the shizz. but after that we're hit and miss and really lacking in depth. i don't put all this on the wr's cause we've been jojo the wondernut at qb and the effortless plays you see is not just talent but repetition and that won't come unless they have time to gel.

we saw that with murray gone and the cohesion-loss is what is killing us i think.

anyway, back to my monday. and if anyone is curious no, none of this had led me back to drinking.

yet. :)

as for a title of this rant/vent/rage/emotional outburst...hmmmmm....

We need to draft a QB that can be as good as (or preferably better than Romo).

As you point out the “romo-less cowboys” are going nowhere and drafting another safety or LB is not going to alter that to any great degree.
 

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You build off defensive line.

The trenches. That's never changed. A basic.


No pass rush = nothing can work behind them.
Get another DE or two.

Half of these could have been won of we got to qb 2 more times in each game.

Agreed. I would focus on addressing DL and Linebacker. if hardy leaves DL needs to be a huge priority.
 

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So what if...

Romo comes back and we all find it isn't a Romo=less team, but the talent on this team is not that great?

There is always a possibility even Romo can't lift up an offense that is out of sync.

This simply could be whatever last year was, was an aberration and what we have now is what this team is.

I don't know. And suspect this will be skewered for even suggesting it. But there is always the possibility this team has just enough talent to lose close games. With or without the best player.
 

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So what if...

Romo comes back and we all find it isn't a Romo=less team, but the talent on this team is not that great?

There is always a possibility even Romo can't lift up an offense that is out of sync.

This simply could be whatever last year was, was an aberration and what we have now is what this team is.

I don't know. And suspect this will be skewered for even suggesting it. But there is always the possibility this team has just enough talent to lose close games. With or without the best player.

I can't see any reason why this would be skewered. It's perfectly within reason to believe Romo is not going to ride in on his stallion and save the day with 7 straight victories. That's pretty much what we will need because I barely have any confidence that we will go to Tampa & even beat the Bucs this week. A more reasonable prediction would be a 4-3 or 5-2 stretch with Romo which places us at 7-9 at best (aka draft purgatory having to draft outside of the top 10).
 

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I can't see any reason why this would be skewered. It's perfectly within reason to believe Romo is not going to ride in on his stallion and save the day with 7 straight victories. That's pretty much what we will need because I barely have any confidence that we will go to Tampa & even beat the Bucs this week. A more reasonable prediction would be a 4-3 or 5-2 stretch with Romo which places us at 7-9 at best (aka draft purgatory having to draft outside of the top 10).

Maybe you can't see it because you are rational.
 

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So what if...

Romo comes back and we all find it isn't a Romo=less team, but the talent on this team is not that great?

There is always a possibility even Romo can't lift up an offense that is out of sync.

This simply could be whatever last year was, was an aberration and what we have now is what this team is.

I don't know. And suspect this will be skewered for even suggesting it. But there is always the possibility this team has just enough talent to lose close games. With or without the best player.

to me those are valid questions. the year of success came off of years of pummelling fans with "the process" and getting the RKG - forgive me for using that. not poking fun, just setting the stage.

now we have the poster child for non-RKG we're trying to resign (and i believe we should but that's another story) and that one great year we got out of 4 years of "investments" has faded and we're stuck with whatever journalism wants to call this hot mess today.

i don't think talent wise we have a problem. leadership on the field, we do. we have a lot of RKG's out there (and i'm glad about that too!) but none of them are the vocal leaders we've had such as woodson, haley, irvin, aikman or even romo. we're missing "that" type of player and we do in fact have it in romo but he's done so much of our success alone. many have said that, i agreed bagging on romo was always stupid, but many blamed him. we're now living without him and it sucks.

hard.

but it will suck more when he comes back and we don't see that relief many are expecting. that "ah, the pain is over" because even our first 2 games were like bad prom dates. glad we had 'em but not gonna brag. we've yet to see any form of domination all year long, even with a random monkey running around to spank.

this year i think is going to make or break garrett and so far, i'd have to say he's a broken pony slappin some hooves together hoping someone will drive this team for him again. i know we've had some hard shots, but the manner in which we've dealt with them has sucked and that's on the coaches.
 

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I know a couple of games don't tell everything, but the team may have found a player in David Irving, and he cost nothing. He's a 22 year old rookie, to boot. Haven't heard much mention of him on here, but the very early returns are encouraging.

He's already has more splash plays than most of the overpaid deadbeats on the defense
 

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The answer is a playmaking defense with guys like Kuechly, Davis and Josh Norman. Our defense hasn't stepped up in many years. It took a historic season from Murray and Romo last year just to have our only winning record in 5 years.

I don't know what to say either, except that today's NFL is crazy.

Last year, driving to and from work, I'd hear fans, ex-players (including Irvin) and other analysts make all these exact same points about the Carolina Panthers while they were in the midst of their six game losing streak which actually began with a tie. They didn't have the aging QB issue, but many people thought Cam needed to be replaced altogether (one of their few wins to that point had come when he was out). People talked about a lack of leadership, a vanilla, predictable offense led by Shula, the head coach not being a task master (that's not Rivera's style either), Rivera being a poor game manager, a laundry list of positions that need to be replaced, the QB sucking...everything people here are talking about. They didn't have the exact same needs of course, but they had a lot of them.

Fast forward just one season, same coach, same qb, same offensive coordinator, with some roster changes but not the major changes that were being called for at that time, and they're now being considered one of the best teams in the NFC. Also, they've had injuries this season on both lines, including their best pass rusher, but it seems like anyone they plug in plays at a reasonably high level. Go figure.
 

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I know it is early and hard to judge but it is kind of sad that another team's draft picks are performing better than any of our draft picks besides Jones.
 

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to me those are valid questions. the year of success came off of years of pummelling fans with "the process" and getting the RKG - forgive me for using that. not poking fun, just setting the stage.

now we have the poster child for non-RKG we're trying to resign (and i believe we should but that's another story) and that one great year we got out of 4 years of "investments" has faded and we're stuck with whatever journalism wants to call this hot mess today.

i don't think talent wise we have a problem. leadership on the field, we do. we have a lot of RKG's out there (and i'm glad about that too!) but none of them are the vocal leaders we've had such as woodson, haley, irvin, aikman or even romo. we're missing "that" type of player and we do in fact have it in romo but he's done so much of our success alone. many have said that, i agreed bagging on romo was always stupid, but many blamed him. we're now living without him and it sucks.

hard.

but it will suck more when he comes back and we don't see that relief many are expecting. that "ah, the pain is over" because even our first 2 games were like bad prom dates. glad we had 'em but not gonna brag. we've yet to see any form of domination all year long, even with a random monkey running around to spank.

this year i think is going to make or break garrett and so far, i'd have to say he's a broken pony slappin some hooves together hoping someone will drive this team for him again. i know we've had some hard shots, but the manner in which we've dealt with them has sucked and that's on the coaches.

Whenever someone uses RKG, I die a slow death laughing uncontrollably.
 
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