Stinkin' back pain, man

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I've had back pain since I was 19 from an injury I suffered in sports. I'm 51 now. I do a lot for it. I get a massage about once a week and I have strong pain pills in case it gets really bad. Last month my massage therapist was out of commission for some health troubles of her own. Man, did I feel the difference. I was hurting. Last year I had an operation known as a rhizotomy where they go in and deaden the nerves that are firing and causing the pain. The same procedure had totally eliminated my sister's back pain. Unfortunately for me, the results weren't as good. It reduced my pain by maybe 20 percent. Back pain limits what I can do in live. I would like to be more active, but sometimes I'm just in too much pain to do fun stuff. At a family reunion, we had set up white water rafting, but I didn't go because it would have caused too much pain.

Does anyone else here have problems with back pain? What have you done that has been helpful. Thanks.
 

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Boy without knowing what's causing the back-pain it's all a wild-arse guess.

Have you had an MRI?

Is it a herniated disk or disks?

Arthritis?

I mean there could be several issues or combination of issues.

Once you know "what" then you can develop a battle-plan, be it surgery, rehab, yoga or whatever.
 

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I've had an MRI. Fortunately there are no herniated disks. There is some arthritis, though my doctor says it's relatively mild. It all started back when I was 19 in college lifting weights and overdoing it. The muscles and nerves spasm and give me pain. Cortisone shots help me for about two weeks.
 

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Had a herniated disk about 3 years ago and still every now and again I will get pain in that general area. The thing that seems to help me the most is doing the stretches from physical therapy.
 

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I've had an MRI. Fortunately there are no herniated disks. There is some arthritis, though my doctor says it's relatively mild. It all started back when I was 19 in college lifting weights and overdoing it. The muscles and nerves spasm and give me pain. Cortisone shots help me for about two weeks.

I'd talk to your physician about getting a couple months worth of rehab.
 

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I had back pains, but I did the best thing. I amputated my back. Now, no more pain! :D

Sorry to hear about your pain main. I (thankfully) don't actually suffer, but my father fell off a fighter jet while he was prepping it for flight and he has never been the same.
 

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I used to have problems with lower back pain when I was younger, but for the most part it's never a problem anymore.

If you want to get rid of lower back pain, I would recommend working on your hamstring and calf flexibility. That's why yoga works really well...it stretches out various parts of your body...but it really stretches out the hamstrings and calfs which are usually neglected in any other type of stretching.

I would also recommend a chiropractor. A lot of people think they are just nonsense, but it really works. You're going to have to come there for 3 days a week for probably at least 6 months as the chiropractor as the vertebrae will take that long to stay in place. Eventually, it will move down to 2 days a week, then 1 day a week. Try to find a chiropractor that will charge a reasonable monthly fee.

I used to go to a chiropractor for 2 years and by year two, I not only felt so much better in the back, I never had a back ache, head ache or cold that year. Don't know if he was the cause, but I don't think it was a coincidence.





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I've had an MRI. Fortunately there are no herniated disks. There is some arthritis, though my doctor says it's relatively mild. It all started back when I was 19 in college lifting weights and overdoing it. The muscles and nerves spasm and give me pain. Cortisone shots help me for about two weeks.


So they did an MRI and found nothing wrong?

Do you sit a lot?
 

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So they did an MRI and found nothing wrong?

Do you sit a lot?

Nothing other than a small amount of arthritis that the X-rays found. I work at a computer, so, yes, I do sit a lot. I make it a point to get up and walk around frequently. Someone told me to immediately do yoga after my massage and then do yoga first thing every morning. Maybe that will help.
 

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Nothing other than a small amount of arthritis that the X-rays found. I work at a computer, so, yes, I do sit a lot. I make it a point to get up and walk around frequently. Someone told me to immediately do yoga after my massage and then do yoga first thing every morning. Maybe that will help.


Look at this picture below and tell me where your pain is located. Without knowing anything other than you being a desk worker i'm guessing it is in the iliac / fascia over gluteus region...?






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According to the chart, here's where the pain is:
Spinous Process, dead center
Latissimus dorsi muscle, on the left side of my back
Trapezius, on the left side of the back, down toward the middle of the muscle

Massage helps some. In the evening, ice helps some. Hydrocodone and Tizanidine help some, but I avoid taking them unless I'm in extreme pain.
 

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According to the chart, here's where the pain is:
Spinous Process, dead center
Latissimus dorsi muscle, on the left side of my back
Trapezius, on the left side of the back, down toward the middle of the muscle

Massage helps some. In the evening, ice helps some. Hydrocodone and Tizanidine help some, but I avoid taking them unless I'm in extreme pain.


Here are some vids..

I recommend buying a theracane, foam roller, and a lacrosse ball and using it on the tight areas.. It may cost you around 75 to 100 bucks but it's about the cost of a trip to the doctor and its worth it if it keeps you out of pain. Also, with my personal experience with back pain the tight muscle imbalances aren't something that ever go away and you have to constantly work on keeping these muscles loose.












Don't feel intimidated by all the athlete talk and just focus on the stretch he shows.





Some Lacrosse ball work.. You can use a Tennis ball as well but it's not as effective imo.


 
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Thanks, Catch17, man. That's exactly what I need. I have a browser plugin that will let me download all those videos. Then I can burn them to DVD and have it handy to watch any time I need to. Thanks a ton! I'm going to start doing every one of these exercises every morning. And I'll check out those devices you recommend. I have been putting two tennis balls in a sock and lying on it to loosen up the muscles. It helps some. I'm committed to putting in the effort all this year to make this better. It's on my list of goals with a plan of action, along with a bunch of other goals. Appreciate your help.
 

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Thanks, Catch17, man. That's exactly what I need. I have a browser plugin that will let me download all those videos. Then I can burn them to DVD and have it handy to watch any time I need to. Thanks a ton! I'm going to start doing every one of these exercises every morning. And I'll check out those devices you recommend. I have been putting two tennis balls in a sock and lying on it to loosen up the muscles. It helps some. I'm committed to putting in the effort all this year to make this better. It's on my list of goals with a plan of action, along with a bunch of other goals. Appreciate your help.


No problem. If it works let me know.

Here are some links to items I recommend.


Theracane

http://www.amazon.com/Body-Back-Mas...UTF8&qid=1452717577&sr=1-8&keywords=theracane

Or a cheaper version that will still do the job

http://www.amazon.com/Thera-Cane-Ma...UTF8&qid=1452717577&sr=1-2&keywords=theracane


Foam Roller:

There are better ones out there but this looks like a solid Roller

http://www.amazon.com/ProSource-Den...F8&qid=1452717779&sr=1-3&keywords=foam+roller

Lacrosse ball:

http://www.amazon.com/Champion-Spor..._UL160_SR137,160_&refRID=1G8BD6N454PWFBT17CJ6
 

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My sister in law had severe chronic back pain and I had her take curcumin from life extension (lifeextension.com) and she was able to get off of her prescription. If that doesn't do it, their 5-lox inhibitor formula could also help.
 

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I've had back pain since I was 19 from an injury I suffered in sports. I'm 51 now. I do a lot for it. I get a massage about once a week and I have strong pain pills in case it gets really bad. Last month my massage therapist was out of commission for some health troubles of her own. Man, did I feel the difference. I was hurting. Last year I had an operation known as a rhizotomy where they go in and deaden the nerves that are firing and causing the pain. The same procedure had totally eliminated my sister's back pain. Unfortunately for me, the results weren't as good. It reduced my pain by maybe 20 percent. Back pain limits what I can do in live. I would like to be more active, but sometimes I'm just in too much pain to do fun stuff. At a family reunion, we had set up white water rafting, but I didn't go because it would have caused too much pain.

Does anyone else here have problems with back pain? What have you done that has been helpful. Thanks.

I would try a different Dr. And in the meantime try medical marijuana.
 

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I've had back pain since I was 19 from an injury I suffered in sports. I'm 51 now. I do a lot for it. I get a massage about once a week and I have strong pain pills in case it gets really bad. Last month my massage therapist was out of commission for some health troubles of her own. Man, did I feel the difference. I was hurting. Last year I had an operation known as a rhizotomy where they go in and deaden the nerves that are firing and causing the pain. The same procedure had totally eliminated my sister's back pain. Unfortunately for me, the results weren't as good. It reduced my pain by maybe 20 percent. Back pain limits what I can do in live. I would like to be more active, but sometimes I'm just in too much pain to do fun stuff. At a family reunion, we had set up white water rafting, but I didn't go because it would have caused too much pain.

Does anyone else here have problems with back pain? What have you done that has been helpful. Thanks.

There are two names in pain I would swear buy..

Dr. Jolie Bookspan
Dr. Stuart McGill

www.drbookspan.com

There is a link on the left, for fixing pain. Read what she says there and she'll pretty break down what you have, the various myths related to it, what types of exercises destroy your back, what causes herniated disks, whether they can heal on their own and why back pain often doesn't show on MRIs all in simple concepts. As she states, you don't need to worry about knowing every muscles.

Based on what I read, yours is the upper back. In her fix pain section, just go to the Upper Back and Neck pain.

You can google one of her books called 'Fixing Back pain without drugs and surgery' on Amazon afterwards and read the reviews just to understand how much she has helped people.

It's not a sell to make money case either. She works with US Special Forces, martial artists and normal people. She is basically like a St. Jude of fixing your pain.

I use to get all sorts of pain as a result of lifting, but I had no idea why. I though simply by strengthening muscles, pain would vanish.
 
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According to the chart, here's where the pain is:
Spinous Process, dead center
Latissimus dorsi muscle, on the left side of my back
Trapezius, on the left side of the back, down toward the middle of the muscle

Massage helps some. In the evening, ice helps some. Hydrocodone and Tizanidine help some, but I avoid taking them unless I'm in extreme pain.

Based on what you said, you probably have bent over posture and kyphosis and tight chest. Basically, your upper back and neck muscles are now 'elongated' forward and weakened and this will eventually cause compression on the vertebrae, possibly leading to herniated disks and maybe pinched nerves when your pushed forward a little bit, leading to tingling down the arms. All common problems particularly for a COMPUTER USER bent over the desk all day .. Your traps are probably elevated to an extent.

The 'common' myth is to stretch the areas you have pain to stretch forward, such as upper back when it's the exact opposite. You'll see this in yoga classes for example, incorporation of damaging stretches.

This is where the foam rollers works theoretically, because instead of stretching your upper back muscles, your muscles besides getting a massage are stretching back. But you'll see people in the gym even doing it wrong, rolling on a foam roller while keeping their neck in their chin and raising their heads compressing their spines forward. It works to an extent provided you use it right.

In the link I provided, there are three main stretches you'll be doing, including the chest and trapezius stretch she talks about, minus all the bull **** methods that create even more issues you find all over the Internet. There is also an upper back and shoulder stretch, where instead of stretching forward, you'll be stretching backwards lifting your upper chest as well.

The point is to lengthen BACKWARDS the muscles back to their normal resting length, to adjust to proper posture once again. It's really about biomechanics and restoring to natural resting position to allow your self to heal.

When your not 'operating' in the functional manner your meant to, such as in upper back pain, things like your scapula will wing, not moving across your back properly, your rotator cuffs will rub against your bones in a manner they aren't suppose to, your humerus will push into the socket and your arms won't raise properly and when playing sports you can easily soarin your neck because of elongated and weak muscles.

It's not about lifting, but resorting proper muscle length and proper movement. Babies and children have very little muscular strength, but they don't have pain because of good biomechanics that they haven't distorted naturally. On the other hand, you'll see the most avid gym freaks with great strength and muscles suffering from all sorts of 'mysterious' pain.

Your at the computer, I'll pretty much guarantee you it's simply your extensively and overly tight in the chest and shoulder area and when your moving in normal everyday life, with this problem, your pain is gradually getting worse. Stretch that area like Dr. Bookspan says and pay attention to your posture and do the upper back extension exercise she mentions in correct posture and you'll see dramatic change. Very simple.. Your body wasn't meant to hurt and doesn't require such complicated and mystical methods.
 
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My sister in law had severe chronic back pain and I had her take curcumin from life extension (lifeextension.com) and she was able to get off of her prescription. If that doesn't do it, their 5-lox inhibitor formula could also help.

I take Curcumin as well.. Never noticed anything dramatic from it but there is just too much positive research for overall health to not take it.

Imo,

Vitamin d3, omega 3 ( fish or krill), probiotics, and curcumin should be staples for everyone.
 

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I take Curcumin as well.. Never noticed anything dramatic from it but there is just too much positive research for overall health to not take it.

Imo,

Vitamin d3, omega 3 ( fish or krill), probiotics, and curcumin should be staples for everyone.

Definitely. I take those too.
 
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