Stop the madness !!

[WV Cowboy]

Why we, as a society, feel the need to give child molestors a second chance is beyond me !

I feel that if you are capable of molesting an innocent child, then we do not need you walking around freely in our society.

One strike, .. you are out.

If you molest a child, then you have forfeited your right to live among us.

I wish someone with some power, or authority, would stand up and do something about this.

It is insane to let them back in to society to molest again.

 

[Waffle]

Why we, as a society, feel the need to give child molestors a second chance is beyond me !

I feel that if you are capable of molesting an innocent child, then we do not need you walking around freely in our society.

One strike, .. you are out.

If you molest a child, then you have forfeited your right to live among us.

I wish someone with some power, or authority, would stand up and do something about this.

It is insane to let them back in to society to molest again.

I totally agree! Lock the scum up forever!!

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If there is 100% proof that they molested a child, and no chance that it is a child just saying those things to get a person in trouble.

And it is not a case of a statutory rape where a 16-17 year old girl lies about her age or has fake idea and has sex with a legal (agewise) man.

Then I agree...lock em up for life....and if the law allowed I would be in favor of torture.

Although I guess even the convicts look down on child molestors in prison so maybe they would get their due afterall.

 

[ROMOSAPIEN9]

All I have to say is this......Cruel and unusual crime, deserves crual and unusual punishment.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Ok...I am going to go trekkie here.

There was an episode of one the Star Trek Next Generation series that had a great Idea IMO (of course there is no way to do it now but it was still a great idea IMO).

Once culture had a system so if say you murdered an individual....your punishment was a device that took that last memories from the victim and put them in your mind in a looped track.

So you would see, feel the terror, feel the pain and get the feeling you were dying.

THAT would really be great to put someone through over and over IMO....be much more of a effective method compared to life imprisonment or death row.

 

[Zaxor]

Ok...I am going to go trekkie here.

There was an episode of one the Star Trek Next Generation series that had a great Idea IMO (of course there is no way to do it now but it was still a great idea IMO).

Once culture had a system so if say you murdered an individual....your punishment was a device that took that last memories from the victim and put them in your mind in a looped track.

So you would see, feel the terror, feel the pain and get the feeling you were dying.

THAT would really be great to put someone through over and over IMO....be much more of a effective method compared to life imprisonment or death row.

not a bad idea but they would probably get off on that stuff

 

[ROMOSAPIEN9]

My honest idea is this....

I've always said that they should take child molesters and rapist and murderers and put them on alcatraz. No guards on the island, just build guard posts out in the waters all around it. Keep it brightly lit 24 hours a day.

No assignned cells or anything. Just boat up to the island and drop them off. Monthly, airlift them enough supplys to last a month, drop them off, then let them fight for it all. Just the basics, water, bread, lunchmeat. Nothing that would require being cooked, since there would be no electricity on the island.

That would be a fait worse then death. And who cares if these scumbags live or die.

 

[WV Cowboy]

This is part of the apathy surrounding this issue, 62 view this thread, 4 respond.

Someone in power needs to do something or this will just continue.

 

[Payton34Smith22]

My honest idea is this....

I've always said that they should take child molesters and rapist and murderers and put them on alcatraz. No guards on the island, just build guard posts out in the waters all around it. Keep it brightly lit 24 hours a day.

No assignned cells or anything. Just boat up to the island and drop them off. Monthly, airlift them enough supplys to last a month, drop them off, then let them fight for it all. Just the basics, water, bread, lunchmeat. Nothing that would require being cooked, since there would be no electricity on the island.

That would be a fait worse then death. And who cares if these scumbags live or die.

I agree 100% with this method! :clap2:
They have no mercy on the kids they molested,so why the **** should we have mercy on them!

 

[Banned_n_austin]

Yep, I agree here, WV. There is nothing worse than a child molestor IMO. Their sentences should be at least 30 years long. And the ONLY way I would let them out is if they agree to be castrated.

I still can't believe Jackson got off scott free. If I were on that jury, I would have at least given him 5 years and convicted him of something - even if it were for just being stupid.

 

[dallasblue05]

Why we, as a society, feel the need to give child molestors a second chance is beyond me !

I feel that if you are capable of molesting an innocent child, then we do not need you walking around freely in our society.

One strike, .. you are out.

If you molest a child, then you have forfeited your right to live among us.

I wish someone with some power, or authority, would stand up and do something about this.

It is insane to let them back in to society to molest again.

I agree for the most part, but one thing that you failed to mention is that in most cases of molestation, there was mental instability in the mind of the perpetrator. Anytime you have a case of mental instability, ie: disorders, temporary illness.....there is a chance for rehabilitation. Granted, most cases should be closed and never reevaluated, however, succesfel rehabilitation is a possibility, and if acheived, should grant a release upon the FULL term of sentance. No early outs, period. But there are cases that are not in line with the "typical" molestor case.

 

[dallasblue05]

If I were on that jury, I would have at least given him 5 years and convicted him of something - even if it were for just being stupid.[/QUOTE]

I hope the bulk of this line is a sarcastic joke. If not.............If you were on the jury, you cannot make up a conviction, either he is guilty or he is not guilty on the counts that are brought up. You say you would have given him at least 5 years.........if you convict him at all, it is of molestation, and you said earlier that you'd give no less than 30.........??????? But like I said, you were probably not entirely serious.

 

[WV Cowboy]

I agree for the most part, but one thing that you failed to mention is that in most cases of molestation, there was mental instability in the mind of the perpetrator. Anytime you have a case of mental instability, ie: disorders, temporary illness.....there is a chance for rehabilitation. Granted, most cases should be closed and never reevaluated, however, succesfel rehabilitation is a possibility, and if acheived, should grant a release upon the FULL term of sentance. No early outs, period. But there are cases that are not in line with the "typical" molestor case.

And what if we are wrong, and they molest again after the FULL sentence ?

How can you look that child in the eye ?

No, if it were up to me, .. if you molest a child, you are done.

You never walk free in society again.

Not worth the risk.

 

[WV Cowboy]

Yep, I agree here, WV. There is nothing worse than a child molestor IMO. Their sentences should be at least 30 years long. And the ONLY way I would let them out is if they agree to be castrated.

I still can't believe Jackson got off scott free. If I were on that jury, I would have at least given him 5 years and convicted him of something - even if it were for just being stupid.

I would castrate rapists too.

 

[dallasblue05]

I admit I may be a little biased because my mom is a psychologist and a darn good one. I believe that complete rehabilitation is possible in these cases as with any other addiction. As sick as it may seem, things of this nature can be considered an addiction. I quit smoking recently. I consider myself rehab'ed from that addiction. People quit drinking, smoking pot, doing other various drugs, but people are also rehabilitated from addictions to stealing, pornography, and yes, molestation (be it a child or adult). Professionals who are trained to investigate soeones mind, can figure out anything they need to know over time. Given a 15-20 yr sentance with regular sessions with a psychologist, they could be cured of their "addiction."

 

[dallasblue05]

we let drug dealers, murderers, theives, and other criminals back on the street. Why does no one say that isnt worth the risk.

 

[DallasEast]

Ok...I am going to go trekkie here.

There was an episode of one the Star Trek Next Generation series that had a great Idea IMO (of course there is no way to do it now but it was still a great idea IMO).

Once culture had a system so if say you murdered an individual....your punishment was a device that took that last memories from the victim and put them in your mind in a looped track.

So you would see, feel the terror, feel the pain and get the feeling you were dying.

Right episode, BP, but wrong series. That was an episode named Ex Post Facto, which ran on Star Trek:Voyager.

Ultimately, the level of criminal imprisonment is dictated by 'We The People'. One poster suggested an "Escape From New York" type prison where all prisoners are isolated together. That idea has merit, but it hinges on how many preventive measures you would need to KEEP the prisoners isolated.

With time and thought, anyone can escape from a trap. That's why prisons have guards. Even if prisoners are placed on a completely isolated island, it doesn't prevent them from escaping from it. You could mine the waters surrounding the island, but it doesn't prevent someone from navigating through them. Etc., etc. It's a good idea, but the incarceration of the prisoners in such a prison must be enforced via varying forms of enforcement--including people (i.e. guards).

IMO, the American people must become ultra-committed to solving this problem. One way is to build more (yes, more) prisons THROUGHOUT the country, in every state, regardless of rural OR urban areas, hundreds of miles away OR practically in your backyard. The number of prisons must far exceed that of potential total prisoner capacity, both current and forecasted.

The public must be willing to undertake the huge tax burden this endeavor will impose. Forever. Expenditures will be dictated by necessary prisoner expenses such as food, clothing, medical care and basic entertainment. Nothing else. Prison security force salaries, equipment, etc., must be appropriately increased also.

These things are necessary if a society wishes to humanely lock away an individual for their entire life. In other words, if you want to do it the right way, it... will... cost... you...

Of course, if American society does not want to continue down the same road or try the more humane method I've described, it can simply shoot the guilty and move on. Easy solution, but a different type of judgment may be waiting down the road for those who would enact it.

 

[Waffle]

And what if we are wrong, and they molest again after the FULL sentence ?

How can you look that child in the eye ?

No, if it were up to me, .. if you molest a child, you are done.

You never walk free in society again.

Not worth the risk.

I agree WVCowboy and I like DanTheMan's idea for dealing with them. I'd call it "Pervert Island" and let 'em have at each other.

 

[WV Cowboy]

we let drug dealers, murderers, theives, and other criminals back on the street. Why does no one say that isnt worth the risk.

I'll say it, .. if someone commits a "violent" crime against another person, they can stay locked up.

I think that if punishment was swift, and harsh, .. and if we educated our children over and over from when they are small that if you do these type of things, bad things will happen to you, it would make a difference.

I know crime will never go away, but other countries don't have the crime levels that we do.

It is because they deal with these types differently than we do.

 

[Waffle]

we let drug dealers, murderers, theives, and other criminals back on the street. Why does no one say that isnt worth the risk.

I hear what you are saying. But based on several published studies, the recidivism rate for sexual crimes is off the charts compared to these other type of crimes. Some even say persons who commit sexual offenses have a recidivism rate of 90% or more.

There are several different schools of thought on this and certainly not everyone will ever agree on them. There are more and more studies that are concluding that a large number of sexual predators harbour their deviant urges and feelings from an early age.

I believe that "rehabilitation" means to "make like before." If someone has always had sexually deviant thoughts and behaviors their entire life, in my mind it is impossible for that person to ever be "rehabilitated."