Streaming services are dropping the ball

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I wanted to watch one episode of Joe Schmo 2025. I had binged watched all the other episodes when visiting family in Switzerland. For some reason, just one episode had been missing. So when I got home, I googled it and found out I could stream it on Sling. They offered a one-day pass for something like 5 bucks, and that seemed fair enough. I wanted to see it, and that wouldn't break the bank.

However, despite having paid to watch it, the stupid thing constantly interrupted you with commercials, and it wasn't just a few. It was 3 minutes worth of ads 4 times, totaling 12 minutes. I did get to see the show, but it was super annoying. Then there was one scene I wanted to see again and so I brought up the episode again and went to fast forward to it. They made me watch ads again! I had already seen the episode and all their annoying ads. You would think I had already seen enough.

If a streaming service is free, I'm okay with it including ads. They have to pay their bills and make a profit. I get it. But the big advantage of paying to stream should be you get to watch your shows uninterrupted.

I hear streaming services are losing money, and I can see why. People had cut their cable because streaming was cheaper and gave you more choice. Not anymore. It's become so fragmented that you have to sign up for multiple services sometimes to get all the seasons of one show.

Consumers are rebelling against this crap. I googled it and I'm not alone. A lot of people can't stand the idea of paying to stream, but having to watch ads anyway. I found out after the fact that my cousin in Switzerland had pirated that show. I couldn't tell. It came up on his TV via some menu system I didn't recognize, and I figured it was some streaming service unique to that country. Nope. It was a pirate streaming service.

While I don't encourage anyone to illegally stream their shows, I am saying that streaming services are giving people lousy service that's driving them away. Some people stream illegally, but there are legal solutions as well. I found on Amazon the complete collection of all of the Bewitched seasons on DVD for really cheap. Old shows tend to be really affordable. For new shows, I just subscribe long enough for a show's season and then cancel my subscription. I love Star Trek Strange New Worlds, but it only puts out 10 episodes per season. So I watch them all and then SNIP. I'll resubscribe next season. Then there's really old technology: books. I've taken to reading more.

People got fed up with cable becoming a worse and worse deal every year, so they switched to streaming. Now the streaming companies are becoming as bad as cable was. When I was only 14, a friend of mine got free cable by tapping into his neighbor's cable. History is repeating itself.

I wish these streaming companies would realize that they can't make money without customers. If they piss them off, they'll bail. No ads should be standard with paid streaming subscriptions. And if a streaming company offers a TV show, they should have all seasons. Another way consumers get hozed is when you “buy” a movie or show only for the service to drop it later. If you've bought a movie or show, they should let you download it or send you a DVD.

I know I'm not the only person annoyed with this. They offered a better deal than cable, then make it progressively worse year after year. Now they're just as bad.
 
Great post.

HBO Max is the biggest offender with the missing shows part of your post. When Discovery bought WB they got rid of shows that they made and own the copyrights to. They did it for tax write offs, server money saving and so they didn't have to pay residuals. Westworld being one of the many shows they did this with. These shows then play hot potato going from streaming service to streaming service so WB can make money licensing them. A lot of times the deleted shows don't even appear on other services which forces you to sail the high seas.
 
Speaking of HBO Max, I wanted to Watch Peacemaker S2E6 yesterday and although preview of some other shows played, and the review of previous episodes played, when the actual E6 started the screen was all black. Nothing. The play time was incrementing as if it was playing but there was no picture or sound. Other episodes played correctly, as did other HBO Max shows. Just this one episode was wonky.

But the rest of the OP complaint is valid. Prime makes you pay extra for commercial free streaming. It makes no sense, but it should have been predictable.

Consider cable TV. There was a time when the premium channels ran a first run movie at least every Saturday night. The movie content was exceptions which is why you paid for it. Today, premium channels rerun old movies we've seen 1000 times yet they still call themselves premium channels. That only thing that makes them premium is the price. What you pay for it the commercial free content, even though that content is old and tired. If you want to watch the same movies "on demand" you pay to watch them.

I think the reason these streaming services are losing money if because there are too many of them. No one is going to pay to subscribe to all of them. At some point we may see some mergers of streaming services, or the content will be like what we see on cable now - old and reused TV shows and movies.

The other problem with streaming services and cable is how they package their original content. We've seen some great shows put out by HBO Max, Prime, Netflix, Hulu etc. But its 6 or 8 episodes with years in between seasons. I remember back in the old days, TV shows would be 30 something episodes and every September started a new season. Of course production costs are much higher today, but asking fans to wait 3 years for the next season of a show it way too long.
 
I think the reason these streaming services are losing money if because there are too many of them. No one is going to pay to subscribe to all of them. At some point we may see some mergers of streaming services, or the content will be like what we see on cable now - old and reused TV shows and movies.

The other problem with streaming services and cable is how they package their original content. We've seen some great shows put out by HBO Max, Prime, Netflix, Hulu etc. But its 6 or 8 episodes with years in between seasons. I remember back in the old days, TV shows would be 30 something episodes and every September started a new season. Of course production costs are much higher today, but asking fans to wait 3 years for the next season of a show it way too long.

Yup. One thing when it was just Netflix and Hulu/sling(example). But now every major studio has a streaming app, with exclusives, that used to be on one of the bigger original streaming services.

Netflix started making their own shows, with some ups and downs, but were big enough to weather the costs. Now they are the biggest streamer IIRC, and their prices have shot up. More Original content, but less of the streaming of other movies by other film productions.

I feel like the big ones like Apple, Prime, Netflix etc will survive but I just got tired off all the subscriptions.
To this day, I only have prime and disney, due to the shopping and kids stuff, and dropped Netflix over a year ago.
Just refuse to have 4-5 services to watch "everything". It's no better than cable was cost wise. Besides, outside of a hour of video games, I rarely sit in front of the TV these days. Just sports will keep me seated for more than a hour.
 
Yeah, it’s getting ridiculous. Especially with the ads. You pay for a subscription, turn it on, and suddenly you’re asked if you want to upgrade your plan to avoid commercials. Wait, what? I already had that plan. Prime is the worst offender here......it’s just pure greed at this point. And now Netflix has joined in. I went to watch something in my mancave while my wife had one of her shows on in the living room, and I found out we had to upgrade our plan just to watch on two TVs in the same household. Are you kidding me?

Another thing that bugs me is the slow release of shows. One of the best things about streaming in the early days was being able to binge-watch an entire season right away. Now, that’s mostly gone.

In our house we’ve got quite a few services, and while there’s endless content, it feels ridiculous paying for so many. But they’ve got us right where they want us. Every time my wife and I talk about cutting one, we end up in the same loop. “Let’s drop Peacock........Yeah, but we watch this on there. Okay, what about Max......Well, this season isn’t finished yet. Ok, how about Netflix........Well, they seem to have the best movies.” And so on. It’s exactly the trap these streaming companies are banking on.

If it were just me, though? I’d honestly be fine with only YouTube Premium. I watch way more YouTube than anything else. It’s easily my favorite service, and the very last one I’d ever cancel.
 
The good thing about cable is I can record shows with commercials and watch them bypassing commercials. Verizon has "on demand" programming but shows that air with commercials have commercial even when playing on demand, and they disable FF so you cant skip the ads.
 
The good thing about cable is I can record shows with commercials and watch them bypassing commercials. Verizon has "on demand" programming but shows that air with commercials have commercial even when playing on demand, and they disable FF so you cant skip the ads.
With Hulu, you can FF through the commercials if you have them recorded so I record anything I want to watch. Don’t know about the other streaming services.
 
With Hulu, you can FF through the commercials if you have them recorded so I record anything I want to watch. Don’t know about the other streaming services.
I only have prime, netflix and peacock, and I pay the prime premium fee to avoid commercials. But Prime sucks frankly. They have had some great original content, like The Expanse, but there is not enough there IMO.

The problem I have with Prime is they release their best series 1 episode per week which defeats the idea of streaming. HBO Max does the same thing.

The biggest problem with all of them is not enough quality original content and too much time between seasons. And why did Prime cancel Peripheral?
 
I only have prime, netflix and peacock, and I pay the prime premium fee to avoid commercials. But Prime sucks frankly. They have had some great original content, like The Expanse, but there is not enough there IMO.

The problem I have with Prime is they release their best series 1 episode per week which defeats the idea of streaming. HBO Max does the same thing.

The biggest problem with all of them is not enough quality original content and too much time between seasons. And why did Prime cancel Peripheral?
The release of episodes weekly doesn’t bother me. The increase in costs for commercial free shows does.
 
I wanted to watch one episode of Joe Schmo 2025. I had binged watched all the other episodes when visiting family in Switzerland. For some reason, just one episode had been missing. So when I got home, I googled it and found out I could stream it on Sling. They offered a one-day pass for something like 5 bucks, and that seemed fair enough. I wanted to see it, and that wouldn't break the bank.

However, despite having paid to watch it, the stupid thing constantly interrupted you with commercials, and it wasn't just a few. It was 3 minutes worth of ads 4 times, totaling 12 minutes. I did get to see the show, but it was super annoying. Then there was one scene I wanted to see again and so I brought up the episode again and went to fast forward to it. They made me watch ads again! I had already seen the episode and all their annoying ads. You would think I had already seen enough.

If a streaming service is free, I'm okay with it including ads. They have to pay their bills and make a profit. I get it. But the big advantage of paying to stream should be you get to watch your shows uninterrupted.

I hear streaming services are losing money, and I can see why. People had cut their cable because streaming was cheaper and gave you more choice. Not anymore. It's become so fragmented that you have to sign up for multiple services sometimes to get all the seasons of one show.

Consumers are rebelling against this crap. I googled it and I'm not alone. A lot of people can't stand the idea of paying to stream, but having to watch ads anyway. I found out after the fact that my cousin in Switzerland had pirated that show. I couldn't tell. It came up on his TV via some menu system I didn't recognize, and I figured it was some streaming service unique to that country. Nope. It was a pirate streaming service.

While I don't encourage anyone to illegally stream their shows, I am saying that streaming services are giving people lousy service that's driving them away. Some people stream illegally, but there are legal solutions as well. I found on Amazon the complete collection of all of the Bewitched seasons on DVD for really cheap. Old shows tend to be really affordable. For new shows, I just subscribe long enough for a show's season and then cancel my subscription. I love Star Trek Strange New Worlds, but it only puts out 10 episodes per season. So I watch them all and then SNIP. I'll resubscribe next season. Then there's really old technology: books. I've taken to reading more.

People got fed up with cable becoming a worse and worse deal every year, so they switched to streaming. Now the streaming companies are becoming as bad as cable was. When I was only 14, a friend of mine got free cable by tapping into his neighbor's cable. History is repeating itself.

I wish these streaming companies would realize that they can't make money without customers. If they piss them off, they'll bail. No ads should be standard with paid streaming subscriptions. And if a streaming company offers a TV show, they should have all seasons. Another way consumers get hozed is when you “buy” a movie or show only for the service to drop it later. If you've bought a movie or show, they should let you download it or send you a DVD.

I know I'm not the only person annoyed with this. They offered a better deal than cable, then make it progressively worse year after year. Now they're just as bad.
Whole damn entertainment machine is going to be like mobile games. Pay as you go, watch lots of ads. Way of the world amigo, get used to it.
 
Tonight I encountered another thing I can't stand. You pull up your streaming service and see all these show listings, so you scroll through a bunch of them and finally pick one. Then when you go to play it, it turns out it's actually for a different streaming service and you have to pay to watch that one. They pulled an even more rotten variation of that on me. In Amazon Prime, I found a show called The Flight Attendant Murders. It was one of those true crime shows where the cops and investigators have to find all the clues and figure it out. So I watched the first episode and everything was fine. However, when I went to watch the second episode, it turned out you had to subscribe to some service I've never even heard of: Sundance. How annoying. So I'm doing their free trial to watch the remaining episodes and then I'm canceling.
 
The problem with all of the streaming services is they are driven by greed and quarterly reports.

They know each time they raise prices or show more ads they will lose some people, but a large percentage will remain.

The subscription and viewer numbers are secondary to revenue, so if the end result is a positive revenue gain, the move was justified.

If it fails, they will offer or partner with other companies to offer short term huge discounts to buff their subscriber numbers back up, only to do the same thing again in the future.

The unfortunate evolution of streaming services is very predictable despite the fact no one realizes it yet.

They are ultimately going to charge per show season rather than for the service.

The reason they will do this is because it will allow them to better monetize the binge watchers (the watch whole season, then cancel subscribers) and further dilute the pricing incrementalization making it harder for consumers to realize how much they are spending until some time in the future.

While this will drive more people to the ad-supported service (probably will include a monthly base subscription for that too), the truth is they will likely make more money from that than they do/did with the general ad-free subscription service.

As people tire of it, more of the services will close or get acquired until the consolidation leads to 2 or 3 major players controlling and colluding-not-colluding (you know .. to get around laws) the entire industry.

The days of $9.99/monthy ad-free streaming services are gone. It was the bait. The increased prices and the ad-supported alternative options to compensate are the hook.

The only thing left is the switch ... and its coming.
 
The problem with all of the streaming services is they are driven by greed and quarterly reports.

They know each time they raise prices or show more ads they will lose some people, but a large percentage will remain.

The subscription and viewer numbers are secondary to revenue, so if the end result is a positive revenue gain, the move was justified.

If it fails, they will offer or partner with other companies to offer short term huge discounts to buff their subscriber numbers back up, only to do the same thing again in the future.

The unfortunate evolution of streaming services is very predictable despite the fact no one realizes it yet.

They are ultimately going to charge per show season rather than for the service.

The reason they will do this is because it will allow them to better monetize the binge watchers (the watch whole season, then cancel subscribers) and further dilute the pricing incrementalization making it harder for consumers to realize how much they are spending until some time in the future.

While this will drive more people to the ad-supported service (probably will include a monthly base subscription for that too), the truth is they will likely make more money from that than they do/did with the general ad-free subscription service.

As people tire of it, more of the services will close or get acquired until the consolidation leads to 2 or 3 major players controlling and colluding-not-colluding (you know .. to get around laws) the entire industry.

The days of $9.99/monthy ad-free streaming services are gone. It was the bait. The increased prices and the ad-supported alternative options to compensate are the hook.

The only thing left is the switch ... and its coming.
Something is going to change. First, there are too many streaming services. People will start cutting some off just like they did with cable as the prices increase. I think this might lead to consolidation/mergers. Once the number of services are reduced, that's when the consumer screwing really begins.

In the meantime, cable services are getting worse. The number of premium channels with ad free content is decreasing. And the remaining premium channels are showing non-premium content. For every GoT series, there are 4 or 5 really bad/dumb series. There are fewer premium movies and mostly tired worn out content. What we use to call summer reruns on broadcast TV are a year round regular feature on premium cable.

Consumer can force some changes, but as consolidation occurs it will be harder to influence the streaming service execs. Netflix for example, has over 300 million subscribers worldwide. The have revenues of about $40 billion per year. Their profits are about $12 billion. Losing even 100,000 subscribers in a year doesn't put much of a dent in their earnings.

I wonder what the next entertainment service will look like. We went from cable to video rentals, to streaming. What's next?
 
Something is going to change. First, there are too many streaming services. People will start cutting some off just like they did with cable as the prices increase. I think this might lead to consolidation/mergers. Once the number of services are reduced, that's when the consumer screwing really begins.

In the meantime, cable services are getting worse. The number of premium channels with ad free content is decreasing. And the remaining premium channels are showing non-premium content. For every GoT series, there are 4 or 5 really bad/dumb series. There are fewer premium movies and mostly tired worn out content. What we use to call summer reruns on broadcast TV are a year round regular feature on premium cable.

Consumer can force some changes, but as consolidation occurs it will be harder to influence the streaming service execs. Netflix for example, has over 300 million subscribers worldwide. The have revenues of about $40 billion per year. Their profits are about $12 billion. Losing even 100,000 subscribers in a year doesn't put much of a dent in their earnings.

I wonder what the next entertainment service will look like. We went from cable to video rentals, to streaming. What's next?
I don't see the distribution methods (meaning streaming in this case) changing any time soon beyond consolidation.

The more likely changes will come from the service offerings where I think we will see a lot more "on demand" focus rather than all-you-can-eat services.

Consumers hold a lot of power but the problem is for every idealist who will take action there are hundreds if not thousands of complainers and non-complainers who will do nothing to affect change.

It's like in the online game industry. They originally offered games for a flat monthly rate of $9.99 originally per month but they had no in-game stores. Just like streaming services, the market got flooded with options and the customer base spread out causing a lot of game companies to go under.

Instead of giving up, they changed plans. A lot of them, even good ones, went "free-to-play" (FTP). Instead of focusing on monthly subscriptions, they focused on in-game shops. What they found was they could easily make more than $9.99 per month on average from their customers by offering a lot of low priced items. The only catch was you had to buy in-game currency in batches to purchase (think currency exchange).

Of course those companies were not satisfied with that approach. They then got into FOMO marketing where they offered time-limited "premium" in-game items ($15, $25, etc.) as well as time-limited packages of several popular in-game items ($40, $60, etc.) for much larger amounts. Now, instead of millions per month, they make tens of millions per month even as their customer base shrinks.

There is of course always a breaking point and there will be with streaming.

Streaming and rights owning companies will push the limits of pricing until eventually there will be a cliff. That's when companies will consolidate, rebrand and refocus, then lure people in with new-meets-old offerings for 1 year to return to a tasteful sliver of the old days their customers miss only to rug-pull them again over time as they further condition the majority of people to the "you will eat what we tell you and you will like it!" mindset.

Eventually customers will lose interest in it and find something else ... those same companies will simply follow the customers, rinse and repeat their strategies.
 
Something's got to give. Consumers aren't going to put up with this. I've normally discouraged piracy, but if a person has bought a movie from a streaming service, the implication was that it was like the digital version of buying a DVD. They would be able to watch the movie from now on whenever they want. If the service takes away that movie that they've paid for, and then the person pirates a digital copy, I don't see that as stealing. I see it as recovering lost property. On the other hand, I'm not for mass piracy of everything because the people who work in the entertainment industry do deserve to be paid fairly for their work. What I think will end up going down is people will get so fed up that piracy will become rampant. Then fewer production companies will be able to make content. The result will be layoffs for people in the film industry. Camera operators, special effects people, film editors, etc. will lose their jobs. The public will have far less content to watch. Simply downloading content anyway you can is already the norm in countries like Algeria. Americans are much more respectful to intellectual property rights, but that could change if people get frustrated enough. The end result will be normal working people in the industry get hozed via layoffs and consumers will get hozed. The big wigs will still have their billions that they already extracted.

I don't have all the answers, but I do know one thing they should do. If someone buys a movie or TV series from a streaming company, they should be given a download link or sent the DVDs. I've been going to my public library to borrow movie DVDs, and have found cheap DVDs to buy in store's discount bins. Physical media has made somewhat of a comeback, but now I hear the industry wants to quit having those made. The consumer always gets the shaft somehow. It might also be a good reason to read more books.
 
Something's got to give. Consumers aren't going to put up with this. I've normally discouraged piracy, but if a person has bought a movie from a streaming service, the implication was that it was like the digital version of buying a DVD. They would be able to watch the movie from now on whenever they want. If the service takes away that movie that they've paid for, and then the person pirates a digital copy, I don't see that as stealing. I see it as recovering lost property. On the other hand, I'm not for mass piracy of everything because the people who work in the entertainment industry do deserve to be paid fairly for their work. What I think will end up going down is people will get so fed up that piracy will become rampant. Then fewer production companies will be able to make content. The result will be layoffs for people in the film industry. Camera operators, special effects people, film editors, etc. will lose their jobs. The public will have far less content to watch. Simply downloading content anyway you can is already the norm in countries like Algeria. Americans are much more respectful to intellectual property rights, but that could change if people get frustrated enough. The end result will be normal working people in the industry get hozed via layoffs and consumers will get hozed. The big wigs will still have their billions that they already extracted.

I don't have all the answers, but I do know one thing they should do. If someone buys a movie or TV series from a streaming company, they should be given a download link or sent the DVDs. I've been going to my public library to borrow movie DVDs, and have found cheap DVDs to buy in store's discount bins. Physical media has made somewhat of a comeback, but now I hear the industry wants to quit having those made. The consumer always gets the shaft somehow. It might also be a good reason to read more books.
Yes, consumers really do get the screws eventually.

If you are a guitar player you are probably familiar with OLGA, the online guitar archive. This site began as a collaboration of guitar players from all over the world. They would figure out how to play songs on guitar and post their efforts in TAB format on a public archive, which was free. Keep in mind, the contributors to the archive were not copying the music from published sheet music, they were listening to the recordings of songs and figuring out each note and transcribing it into the archive. Other guitar players would access the site, and learn to play songs from what was transcribed. Theoretically no one was actually making any money from this. It was just guitar players getting together and helping each other become better guitar players. The songwriters association sued claiming copyright infringement. They won. Eventually, OLGA was taken down completely and the efforts of thousands of guitar players, 34,000 songs, were removed from the site.

This is not streaming content, of course, but the laws to stop piracy are very very strong and few people are willing to endure the consequences of hosting pirate sites. If you recall the music pirating wars, then you know kids 12 years old were prosecuted for pirating music. Make no mistake, music writer, musicians, entertainers can be just as greedy as anyone else.

By the way, OLGA was replaced by another site, the Ultimate Guitar archive. You can find the tablature for almost any song ever written on that site for guitar and base guitar. I find many entries are not very accurate but there is a lot there. Of course now you can also find youtube videos showing how to play a lot of songs too which is even better I think.
 
Yeah, it's frustrating because I'm actually all for protecting people's intellectual property. I just think they should also protect consumer rights. Youtube is notorious for misinterpreting copyright law. They give people copyright strikes for cases of fair use. For example, Wings of Pegasus does videos where he evaluates musicians' live performances that have been uploaded to Youtube. What he's doing is clearly making reviews. Copyright was never intended to silence criticism. That's why you could write a review of a book for the New York Times or whoever and quote passages from the book without the permission of the owner. Wings of Pegasus had to either take down or remove the song excerpts from his review videos even though he had not violated copyright law via his fair use of those excerpts.
 
I don't have all the answers, but I do know one thing they should do. If someone buys a movie or TV series from a streaming company, they should be given a download link or sent the DVDs. I've been going to my public library to borrow movie DVDs, and have found cheap DVDs to buy in store's discount bins. Physical media has made somewhat of a comeback, but now I hear the industry wants to quit having those made. The consumer always gets the shaft somehow. It might also be a good reason to read more books.
I donated hundreds of DVDs years ago because they were just taking up space in storage. I knew there was a chance I would regret it one day but it was hard to justify keeping things that I just never used given much higher resolution options available.

I think the more likely scenario for most people is to simply move on from the medium/content itself rather than try to revert back to the old days.

For example, I loved driving my friend's 1965 Mustang convertible as a teenager and would love to have one now, but I know I would rarely ever drive it.

With alternatives such as Youtube, TikTok, etc. consuming more and more time from many people combined with the impending fully AI created movies, TV shows, docu series, etc. the media content market is going to get saturated even more so than it is now.

The bottom line is the entertainment industry does not want you to own their IP content. They want you to either lease it or at worst, buy it in a temporary medium format that will ultimately expire or become obsolete forcing people to buy it all over again on a different medium or through a different service.
 
I donated hundreds of DVDs years ago because they were just taking up space in storage. I knew there was a chance I would regret it one day but it was hard to justify keeping things that I just never used given much higher resolution options available.

I think the more likely scenario for most people is to simply move on from the medium/content itself rather than try to revert back to the old days.

For example, I loved driving my friend's 1965 Mustang convertible as a teenager and would love to have one now, but I know I would rarely ever drive it.

With alternatives such as Youtube, TikTok, etc. consuming more and more time from many people combined with the impending fully AI created movies, TV shows, docu series, etc. the media content market is going to get saturated even more so than it is now.

The bottom line is the entertainment industry does not want you to own their IP content. They want you to either lease it or at worst, buy it in a temporary medium format that will ultimately expire or become obsolete forcing people to buy it all over again on a different medium or through a different service.
Yeah, it reminds me when some company (I forget which) came out with those ridiculous self-expiring DVDs. They were good for something like 48 hours, or maybe a week. What a dumb idea.

I've been converting my old DVDs to mp4 files and then I'll keep them on their own hard drive with an equivalent external hard drive where I back them up to. Then I'll get rid of them. It's taking some time to get done, but it will save space in the long run.
 
I dropped netflix a couple months ago.
Now the only one I pay for is youtube premium...since the adverts bothered me before. The wife and I watch a ton of youtube.

I might wait a few more months and get netflix again for a month and catch up anything of interest.
 

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