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Issues in Oxnard: 3rd Down Problems Must Be Solved
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As we spend days at camp pondering how the Dallas Cowboys can be a better football team, I wanted to make sure I tackle the bigger issues and take a deeper look. I think the team thinks this way, and certainly a proper coach thinks this way, so why shouldn't we?

Now, we can debate how much each problem contributes to keeping a team out of the playoffs or the Super Bowl, but there are certain way to identify each season by what they couldn't do very well. And in the case of the 2013 Dallas Cowboys, one of the more frustrating identifiers of that team from an offensive standpoint was that they had a heck of a time converting on 3rd Downs.

3rd Downs are the money down in the sport, and where games are won or lost. What is interesting is that the 3rd Down conversion game is similar to the Red Zone conversion game. In 2012, the Cowboys were much better on 3rd Downs, but much worse in converting Red Zone possessions into Touchdowns. In 2013, the script flipped and they drastically improved their Red Zone TD percentage, but the 3rd Downs fell back down the ladder.

Season3rd Down % and RankRed Zone TD % and Rank
201293-212, 44%, 5th25-49, 51%, 20th
201363-180, 35%, 25th 35-51, 69%, 3rd

So, last training camp, we sat right here and talked about how the Cowboys should be a better Red Zone team and used their 3rd Down ability as a reason. If they can convert on 3rd Downs this well, shouldn't they be able to get more done in the red zone?

And, throughout the season, the answer seemed to be a resounding yes. In 2013, with nearly the same exact number of red zone drives as they had in 2012, they punched it into the end zone 10 more times! That is an absurd jump in productivity. Only 2 teams had a better efficiency in the red zone (Denver and Cincinnati) and only 1 team had more touchdowns than the Cowboys from red zone drives (Denver).

But, what happened to the 3rd Downs?...
 

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Issues in Oxnard: 3rd Down Problems Must Be Solved
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As we spend days at camp pondering how the Dallas Cowboys can be a better football team, I wanted to make sure I tackle the bigger issues and take a deeper look. I think the team thinks this way, and certainly a proper coach thinks this way, so why shouldn't we?

Well Bob, if you look too closely around these parts, you will labeled a hater.

It seems so logical when Bob says it, doesn't it?
 

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Running the ball better and staying committed to the run will cure a lot of ills. Let's see if Jason keeps his hands off the play calling this time around. My guess is that if by mid season we're struggling offensively he'll take over just like he did last year. He'll get fired anyway if we miss the playoffs. So why not.
 

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Well Bob, if you look too closely around these parts, you will labeled a hater.

It seems so logical when Bob says it, doesn't it?

Bob points out the good and bad. As objectively as possible. Those who label "haters' here aren't really known for that...
 

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Well Bob, if you look too closely around these parts, you will labeled a hater.

It seems so logical when Bob says it, doesn't it?

I've yet to see anybody consider Sturm a 'hater.' And these parts, as far as I can tell, try hard to actually get people to look closely rather than to react emotionally.

As to what he's saying, it is logical. For me it hinges on his 'Now, we can debate how much each problem contributes to keeping a team out of the playoffs or the Super Bowl....' statement. How important are the 3rd down challenges, really, when you're points/offensive drive still rank you at the very top of the league? The answer is that it's an area where the offense can definitely improve to score even more points/offensive drive. I'm all for it.

But forgive me if I'm not going to get too upset about the current ranking in the meantime. Not with our defensive performance still among the very worst in the league in the metrics that actually matter.
 

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3rd down is the money down. And against the better teams in the season and during the playoffs, it is the difference.

If we actually do run more and better this year then we will be better on 3rd downs. Simple as that.
 

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3rd down is the money down. And against the better teams in the season and during the playoffs, it is the difference.

If we actually do run more and better this year then we will be better on 3rd downs. Simple as that.

At least, Burm, with improved 3rd down efficiency this season, announcers won't be yawning in the booth.
 

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Bob points out the good and bad. As objectively as possible. Those who label "haters' here aren't really known for that...

Or perhaps the ones doing the labeling don't look hard enough or ignore when positive things are being said. Which is more likely the case.
 

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I've yet to see anybody consider Sturm a 'hater.' And these parts, as far as I can tell, try hard to actually get people to look closely rather than to react emotionally.

As to what he's saying, it is logical. For me it hinges on his 'Now, we can debate how much each problem contributes to keeping a team out of the playoffs or the Super Bowl....' statement. How important are the 3rd down challenges, really, when you're points/offensive drive still rank you at the very top of the league? The answer is that it's an area where the offense can definitely improve to score even more points/offensive drive. I'm all for it.

But forgive me if I'm not going to get too upset about the current ranking in the meantime. Not with our defensive performance still among the very worst in the league in the metrics that actually matter.

Nice reply, but you missed the point entirely.
 

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Or perhaps the ones doing the labeling don't look hard enough or ignore when positive things are being said. Which is more likely the case.

Well since you were the one who threw out the hater label in this thread you would know.
 

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Issues in Oxnard: 3rd Down Problems Must Be Solved
http://sturminator.blogspot.com/


As we spend days at camp pondering how the Dallas Cowboys can be a better football team, I wanted to make sure I tackle the bigger issues and take a deeper look. I think the team thinks this way, and certainly a proper coach thinks this way, so why shouldn't we?

One of the more frustrating identifiers of that team from an offensive standpoint was that they had a heck of a time converting on 3rd Downs.

3rd Downs are the money down in the sport, and where games are won or lost.

Season3rd Down % and RankRed Zone TD % and Rank
201293-212, 44%, 5th25-49, 51%, 20th
201363-180, 35%, 25th 35-51, 69%, 3rd

Nothing really reported here- bunch of nothingness. I thought, by the title of the thread, he was reporting on issues of this year- garbage thread to me.
 

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Sturm generally does good work. I enjoy his column.

That's surprising how well the team converted 3rd downs in games 11-16, or after Garrett took over from Callahan.
That's much more relevant than games 1-10 because it's more recent and there's no way Callahan is going to be the play caller again. I also think the oline jelled later in the season.

Hopefully, Lineham will improve on that.
 

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3rd down is the money down. And against the better teams in the season and during the playoffs, it is the difference.

If we actually do run more and better this year then we will be better on 3rd downs. Simple as that.
I saw a stat that the Cowboys had the most yards to gain on 3rd down in 2013. It seems that more runs on 1st and 2nd downs would help.
 

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Nothing really reported here- bunch of nothingness. I thought, by the title of the thread, he was reporting on issues of this year- garbage thread to me.

Oh, I hear you....'catch me, I'm falling...through a whole in the flag...'
 
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