Sun Sentinel Times - Several Dead After Bridge collapses

[ABQCOWBOY]

The $14.2 million, 174-foot-long bridge, which FIU said swung into place on Saturday, spanned eight lanes of Southwest Eighth Street near Southwest 109th Avenue. It was built to provide safe passage to the campus and had not yet opened to the public.

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http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/miami-dade/fl-reg-fiu-bridge-collapse-20180315-story.html

Be interesting to see who got paid to build this POS...

 

[Tabascocat]

The company/s(think two of them) have already stepped up to accept fault and are assisting. As far as I have heard, they are reputable and do good work. Accidents do happen but I hope it wasn't due to negligence.

Not sure what happened but the bridge was undergoing stress tests when it collapsed and appears the middle buckled first.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The company/s(think two of them) have already stepped up to accept fault and are assisting. As far as I have heard, they are reputable and do good work. Accidents do happen but I hope it wasn't due to negligence.

Not sure what happened but the bridge was undergoing stress tests when it collapsed and appears the middle buckled first.

Wow, if you're going to stress test something, why on Earth would you do it with the public around it?!?!??!

When I stress test servers/networks/storage, I do not do it while it's in production!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Heads are going to roll over this one, and they should. This is BS. Stress Test should not ever cause a bridge to collapse. You may find issues but not this.

 

[Tabascocat]

Wow, if you're going to stress test something, why on Earth would you do it with the public around it?!?!??!

When I stress test servers/networks/storage, I do not do it while it's in production!

Yea, one would think it is safer to do it in the middle of the night with the road closed. But, what do I know......

 

[MonsterD]

Amazing in this day and age, with technology, structural engineers,and inspection/inspectors that this can happen to a new bridge. Put simply, someone got greedy and or lazy and let this happen.

 

[Rockport]

Wow, if you're going to stress test something, why on Earth would you do it with the public around it?!?!??!

When I stress test servers/networks/storage, I do not do it while it's in production!

In reality, most applications are stressed tested in production especially if the back end is an RDBMS.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Amazing in this day and age, with technology, structural engineers,and inspection/inspectors that this can happen to a new bridge. Put simply, someone got greedy and or lazy and let this happen.

Yep, this whole Stress Test BS is a load of crap. You stress test to find defects and you do it when you have little to no traffic. You don't do it in the middle of the day and it doesn't cause bridges to fall down. This was a pedestrian bridge, which I am betting has fewer restrictions. I'm guessing that somebody did some illegal BS and tried to walk away with a pile of money.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

In reality, most applications are stressed tested in production especially if the back end is an RDBMS.

Not if you have a decent Test/Dev Environment. I mean, not everything is a Database so it should not be done this way. Especially anything that is to be considered mission critical.

 

[Rockport]

Not if you have a decent Test/Dev Environment. I mean, not everything is a Database so it should not be done this way. Especially anything that is to be considered mission critical.

With databases as part of the stack it's extremely difficult and expensive to mimic production even close to 100%. Usually the storage is different or the workload is not real world. That doesn't even go into the database optimizer which decides the fastest execution path based on up to date statistics which are never the same between environments.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

With databases as part of the stack it's extremely difficult and expensive to mimic production even close to 100%. Usually the storage is different or the workload is not real world. That doesn't even go into the database optimizer which decides the fastest execution path based on up to date statistics which are never the same between environments.

No, not really. You just need to run on load and if you have a decent backup strategy, there is little risk to Data at all. You are using a subset of data that is already backed up so it's really not putting anything at risk. There is no reason to ever use production data real time. It may not be exactly the same but it doesn't have to be. It just has to be similar data types or block under simulated loads. Once you have tested in a Test/Dev environment, then you can simulate actual load on your backup environment, without ever disrupting production. But again, not everything is Database. All parts of your IT Environment should be tested.

I don't really work much with Commercial IT Environments so I can imagine it might be different in that situation but in Federal, there are very specific POAMs that are required to be followed. Deviation is not encouraged.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

There are some things that just plain should not happen in America. A bridge just up and collapsing is one of them. sheesh. That's below our standards.

 

[Runwildboys]

Not if you have a decent Test/Dev Environment. I mean, not everything is a Database so it should not be done this way. Especially anything that is to be considered mission critical.

I suppose it's possible the materials were faulty, and it was the supplier/manufacturer who may have cut corners and the builders had no way of knowing.
Can't jump to conclusions and lay blame without the facts, other than the fact that they tested it while traffic was flowing.

 

[kimrose]

RIP to all who died in this senseless horror. And many prayers to the families and injured individuals, who lost loved ones and to those who are hoping for survival.


Many questions need to be answered. Hopefully, we will get to the truth, rather than CYA. Somebody's got sum splainin to do.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I suppose it's possible the materials were faulty, and it was the supplier/manufacturer who may have cut corners and the builders had no way of knowing.
Can't jump to conclusions and lay blame without the facts, other than the fact that they tested it while traffic was flowing.

I think it would almost have to be something like that. I mean, you have to have your plans, for the Bridge certified and passed. There would have been multiple tests along the way. Each phase of the building process would have had to have been tested and the structural plan, itself, would have had to have been reviewed and approved. I don't believe that the Builders could have been, in the Dark. Lots of folks along the way, I would think, would have had to have known that the thing was faulty.

BTW, the testing schedule would have had to have been approved by Dade County as well.

 

[Runwildboys]

Very good point. The

I think it would almost have to be something like that. I mean, you have to have your plans, for the Bridge certified and passed. There would have been multiple tests along the way. Each phase of the building process would have had to have been tested and the structural plan, itself, would have had to have been reviewed and approved. I don't believe that the Builders could have been, in the Dark. Lots of folks along the way, I would think, would have had to have known that the thing was faulty.

BTW, the testing schedule would have had to have been approved by Dade County as well.

Very good point. The county bears much responsibility as well.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Very good point. The

Very good point. The county bears much responsibility as well.

The other thing that I heard reported today is that the notion that a stress test was going on, might have come from the Mayor of Miami Dade. If that's the case, then I don't know if you can put 100% credibility into it. Carlos Gimenez is not exactly viewed as a squeaky clean dude.

 

[lukin2006]

Contractors do cut corners ... where I live a 1 billion dollar highway project got delayed and stopped because they installed the incorrect girders ... and they tried to get this passed.

Government allowed girder installation despite knowing they were non-compliant, documents show

http://windsorstar.com/news/local-n...ation-despite-knowing-they-were-non-compliant

As far as I’m concerned society as whole is becoming less competent...