Super Bowls & the coaches that win them

[jazzcat22]

With all multitude of threads on here about salary cap, coaches, players and especially QB's. GM's, etc.
Everyone has their opinions about it, and many circumstances are in play.
I ask your opinions and thoughts on how long a NFL coach gets in this modern era of the NFL after winning a SB, or even getting his team there and lose. Even consider the NFC / AFC Championship games, like SF playing in their 3rd straight.

We all know there are always multiple factors. But don't take into account how they got there, rather the GM putting together a team, the coach was great that year, or the QB is the reason why. Those all work together, and some luck involved too.

I once heard on The Ticket they were talking about college coaches, and that a National Championship will get you 10 more years on your contract. This actually helped Mack Brown stay in Texas.

So if a coach wins a SB, how many more years to you think that will get him.
Belichek and Brady, once Brady retires, and the go into the funk and many teams do, finding that next QB. How many years do you think he gets. When will the fans start screaming for his head, or that Kraft needs a new GM, or he should get rid of the team. Does he get an extra few years, 3 or 5 or 7.

Also if a team wins the SB or gets to a SB, then fades. Still a good team, but never gets back there. Maybe the playoffs a few times. How long will those coaches get before being fired, to get the team back deep into the playoffs. It sure won't be 10 years like a college coach, but do they get 2 years, or 5.

Coaches seem to not have long tenures now like they used to have. seems every 3 to 4 years there are changes with most teams. But with free agency, the team is different too.

 

[Alexander]

Coaches seem to not have long tenures now like they used to have. seems every 3 to 4 years there are changes with most teams. But with free agency, the team is different too.

Being able to adapt to the changing rosters is what will become the trend now IMO as far as head coaches go. Getting a coach like Harbaugh and Carroll might be the way to go. These two have recently been in that position to deal with not counting on the talent for more than a few seasons. The fact that Chip Kelly can step right in speaks a little to how that might benefit a team to get a staff that can deal with constant change.

It also requires a talent evaluation team that views players as fungible commodities, ready to move on and replace, rather than sign to long-term cap crippling contracts.

 

[ghst187]

I don't think Belichek will be sniffing SBs every year once he loses Brady, but if he does win the SB this year he should instantly be named coach of the century.
They lost their three top players under Brady, Hernandez (jail), Gronk (injury), and Welker (free agency) and then a bunch of their other starters to injury. Their big contributors now are players that were cast off by other teams: Talib, Blount, and Amendola (whom BTW we got rid of a few years back). He's sniffing a SB with one of the top all-time QBs, a decent OL, and not a lot else. I hate the Pats, but crap they run the best org in the biz and hard to remember the last time they looked outclassed, out-prepared, un-ready, out-schemed, or lost a game to poor game-management, things we have all witnessed with our beloved Cowboys multiple times in this past year alone and every year in the last ten. And minus Brady, I can't say I'd trade very many of our starters for theirs. I mean think about it, would you trade Dez for Amendola? Carr for Talib? T Smith for Solder? Demarco for Blount? Lee for Spikes? I wouldn't make any of those trades. Maybe I swap for Wilfork and one of the OGs but not much else. I hope to heck that Denver wins today but you have to respect what Belichek and NE have accomplished and how they've stayed relevant despite key personnel losses and changeover. I don't think they'll be sniffing the SB every year once Brady leaves, but I have little doubt that Belichek will still have them in the playoffs and coach there as long as he wants. (The fact they play in the worst division in football helps too, like it did San Fran for two decades)
Back to your main point however, hard to separate a lengthy tenure of even a great coach from competent GM'ing. This is definitely a big part of how the Pats have sustained success for so long. In another thread I pointed out how they've drafted well, for example taking Richard Seymour in the first in 2001. They got 6-7 probowl seasons out of him and then traded him for another first round pick which they used to draft their current starting OT, Solder. Solder is locked up through 2015. That equates to getting 15 seasons of high quality play at key starting postions for a decade and a half out of, ultimately, ONE draft pick. I would not be surprised to see them do the same and trade Solder after this year for another first round pick and keep the dividends coming. Also consider the miniscule price they paid to get Moss, Welker, and Amendola. I hate to keep using the Pats as an example but their hugely successful GM'ship (which may sound heartless and disloyal at times) has fueled Belichek's ability to put talent on the field and keep winning. Separate either one, and your ceiling will always be limited. I remember Deion Branch caught like 10 or more passes and multiple TDs in their last SB win, got SB MVP, and then the Pats promptly got rid of him and eventually got Moss and Welker, for next to nothing. By contrast, we had the opportunity to trade Ware a few years ago and probably could've gotten a first round pick plus several more. Instead, Jerry pays him a crippling contract which we're still married to. Ditto for Romo. I think it's safe to say the Pats probably would've jettisoned both and gotten 5 or 6 draft picks out of them. Jerry gets to make the same decision with Dez soon. What will he do? Anyone think he won't pay him $10 mill per year? I love Dez and would also love to see him play his entire career in Dallas, however if someone was willing to give me a mid first and a third or fourth for him....I'd have to take it. It does both to free our cap space and add additional picks to build for the future in at least two positions. Jerry was successful early on because Jimmy was cutthroat with personnel (trading beloved Herschel Walker even). Since Jerry has been running all things personnel, even good coaches we've had were doomed to fail because Jerry has failed miserably.
Successful coaching and personnel managing are symbiotic and go hand in hand. So I guess this is the long version of saying what many on here say all the time, Jerry should fire himself. Seriously though, the teams that are still in the playoffs right now have drafted extremely well and made prude free agent moves for several years running. They then are able to combine that with competent coaches who can manage talent and games. I don't think the formula is hard to figure out overall, doing it however seems to prove elusive for many teams....Cleveland, us, Washington, Jax......