T-Mac ran 4.48 40 at his pro day!

[Rayman70]

He’s nowhere near the prospect Moss / Boldin were.

He’s a one trick pony who doesn’t run great routes. Moss could run the entire route tree and Boldin was tough as hell across the middle.

Tet is the take the top off the defense guy. But is limited to a small route tree and does not separate well.

I still love him at 12

I See him way different than you I guess. Don't recall Randy running too many slants when he came into the league. Seems to me I recall him just running straight past dbs like a elk and snatching the ball in stride. Tet isn't moss, who is, but I think a combo of Boldin because I've seen tet running routes underneath.hes not my cup of tea but I can't ignore the talent. If you are right and I'm wrong, no way he should be taken at 12. He's a lower rd 1 guy in your description of him. I don't buy it. As for me, if we must take wr at 12, it's Burden. He does it all well. Blazing fast too. Great hands, runs the tree well . Changes games.

 

[Rayman70]

Boldin ran routes in a violent way . Hard to tackle after the catch. Tet is the same. Boldin would block his *** off too. Tet isn't quite there yet but he will.

 

[DoctorChicken]

I just can't get excited about this. It's just more of the same from this front office. They'll run out a bunch of nice skill guys and then their defense will suck because they have JAGs and bums playing at DT and LB.

My rant is more about how stupid they are in FA. You sign a guy like Poona Ford at DT instead of a washed Solomon Thomas and then suddenly taking McMillan at 12 is more exciting.

The question is likely going to come down to "do we take an elite offensive prospect, or a “pretty good” defensive prospect just because we need defense?"

I'm for the elite prospect 90% of the time barring specific, unique scenarios.

 

[NDGAEDE]

I get it, but it still doesn’t give me the warm and fuzzies drafting that kind of athlete at 12.

Ideally you’re getting a plus athlete with plus production against top competition. At this point I’d probably lean Burden for that reason or feel better about a trade down taking Golden / Egbuka.

I agree, but I find it less of a concern in a weak draft. Burden is a non-starter for me in 1, though. I don't think he has plus anything.

 

[DoctorChicken]

 

[TasteMyScythe]

As for Burdan...I'm not a fan, especially at 12.

Height: 6’0”

Weight: 206 lbs

Arms: 31 ¼”

Hands: 8 ½”

He has solid positive traits, including his versatility and ball-tracking abilities. His speed, however, is above average at very best, as is his size. Burden won’t be taking the top off of any defenses, as 75 percent of his career targets at Missouri were inside of ten yards.

40-Yard Dash​

There were 39 total wide receiver prospects who ran the 40-yard dash at the Combine. Luther Burden was able to post a time of 4.41 in the event, which was the 14th fastest in the group. He wasn’t slow by any means, but he certainly didn’t do much to disprove that his speed is nothing more than average.

10-Yard Split​

There were 39 participants in the 10-yard split, as well, and Burden finished even further down the list in the acceleration portion of the tests over the weekend. His time of 1.54 seconds was tied with 6 other players, and there were 26 others who clocked a better mark.

He is still considered to be a fringe first rounder, but Burden is no longer the topflight prospect that he was projected to be. Burden needed a solid showing at the Combine, especially in the running events, but he finished in the middle of the pack in the two events that he participated in, and it wouldn’t be a surprise to see him fall somewhere in the 22 to 27 range.

 

[Mr_437]

Now that we have his pro day times I’m a little luke warm on Tet at 12. Playing in a mediocre conference and then you can basically add on .5 seconds to a pro day time leads me to believe he’s a 4.6 guy.

I do like his tape but at 12 a little concerning.

Come on over to the Golden Arches.

 

[DoctorChicken]

Now that we have his pro day times I’m a little luke warm on Tet at 12. Playing in a mediocre conference and then you can basically add on .5 seconds to a pro day time leads me to believe he’s a 4.6 guy.

I do like his tape but at 12 a little concerning.

This is not a draft that is filled with elite, blue chip prospects to me.

Tet is awesome but some people question his speed. Campbell is awesome but he's probably an OG. Green is awesome but he might be a horrible person. Jeanty is awesome but uh uhhh he's a running back.

There are question marks around all these prospects besides maybe Carter who is probably going to be the first non-QB off the board.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Larry Fitzgerald - 4.63 seconds​

Career stats: 1,018 receptions, 13,366 receiving yards, 98 TDs

Fitzgerald ran a 4.63 at the 2004 NFL Combine and, though he bettered the number to 4.48 at his pro day, there were questions about the elite speed of the receiver coming out of Pittsburgh. The Cardinals took him with the third overall selection anyways and have never come close to regretting the pick.

Jerry Rice - 4.71 seconds​

Career Stats: 1,549 receptions, 22,895 receiving yards, 197 TDs

The greatest of all time ran an unofficial 4.71, though some claim the number was actually 4.59. Either way, the GOAT did not wow anyone with his speed coming out of Mississippi Valley State in 1985. Rice's lack of freakish size/speed and small-school status contributed to Al Toon and Eddie Brown being thought of as better prospects. Each were selected before the Hall of Famer came off the board at 16th overall.

Cris Carter - 4.63​

Career Stats: 1,101 receptions, 13,899 receiving yards, 130 TDs

In 1987 Carter ran just slightly faster than the average receiver at the time, according to former Cowboys personnel man Gil Brandt. That's both a comment on how much faster wideouts have become (40-yard dash times for receivers rose to 4.48 seconds as of 2013) and how little, long speed had to do with Carter's success in the NFL.
The ultra productive possession receiver used a combination of excellent hands and route running to become the game's best third-down target and touchdown specialist.

Anquan Boldin - 4.71​

Career Stats: 1,009 receptions, 12,195 receiving yards, 74 TDs

Boldin has long been the poster boy for exceptional receivers running slow on the track. The highly productive Florida State alum dropped to the second round because of his speed concerns, allowing the Arizona Cardinals to pair Boldin with Fitzgerald for six dominant seasons.
Interestingly though, the only receivers to run official times of 4.65 or slower and have NFL success since 1999 are Boldin and Tampa Bay Buccaneers one-year-wonder Michael Clayton.

Chad Johnson - 4.57​

Career Stats: 766 receptions, 11,059 receiving yards, 67 TDs

Another stellar wideout who fell out of the first round because of a slow workout.

The Bengals knew Johnson was much faster than the close to 4.6 he posted at the 40 due to his tape and displays of quickness at the 2001 Senior Bowl.

One of the game's elite pass catchers between 2002-07, Johnson developed his route-running and timing with quarterback Carson Palmer to put together one of the best five-year stretches in league history.


There's more to the game of football than a player running a fast 40 time in shorts. The whole game is relied upon angles.

One thing to note about all these guys is that, with the exception of Ocho Cinco, they were all exceptionally productive college receivers. Not just "decently" productive - they were dropping about as huge of slash lines as their passing era could provide. Tet fits that mold as well.

I personally weight athletic traits higher than college stat production at WR. But when a guy averages 110 yards per game for 25 freaking games, it becomes much easier to cut him a break on metrics. Whatever athletic juice he's got, it's been enough to beat a lot of different DBs trying to cover him.

I don't think Tet's as good of a prospect as Nabers or MHJ from last year, I'm not even sure if he's as good as Odunze, but he's going to catch a lot of footballs in the NFL.

 

[TasteMyScythe]

One thing to note about all these guys is that, with the exception of Ocho Cinco, they were all exceptionally productive college receivers. Not just "decently" productive - they were dropping about as huge of slash lines as their passing era could provide. Tet fits that mold as well.

I personally weight athletic traits higher than college stat production at WR. But when a guy averages 110 yards per game for 25 freaking games, it becomes much easier to cut him a break on metrics. Whatever athletic juice he's got, it's been enough to beat a lot of different DBs trying to cover him.

I don't think Tet's as good of a prospect as Nabers or MHJ from last year, I'm not even sure if he's as good as Odunze, but he's going to catch a lot of footballs in the NFL.

This past year at Arizona Tet was really the only offensive threat the Wildcats had, and he was the major key for opposing defenses... and he still produced at a high rate. and that was with a QB that regressed and the team as a whole flopped from the previous year...had a few tranters after losing their head coach.
When I look at Tet I look at how he will fit the Cowboys scheme. He doesn't have to run a 4.4 to be effective (in the Cowboys scheme). I mentioned before about how he will help tremendously in the redzone, but what he does really well is the underneath/intermediate routes like slats, digs and comebacks...he knows how to create enough separation for himself, catches away from his body, keeps himself between the defender and the ball makes it look effortlessly ...I believe he was 2nd in forced missed tackles. His deep speed is deceptive and with how good he is with his digs and comebacks and the fact he'll run a ton of those in the Cowboys scheme, it will only take a shoulder dip or a quick plant to get the defender to bite and then he goes right past him up field. Plus, if we are to run more play action that will benefit him as well. He will see a lot of single coverage as well and when the defense does key on. like in the redzone. that will open things up for others like CeeDee and Furguson.

 

[reddyuta]

I would rather draft Tmac or Jeanty than any DEs at 12,shame we don't have dominant DTs this year in the draft.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Again, maybe I'm wrong because I haven't watched live Arizona games, but I don't see why people love this guy so much. Half those highlights are against New Mexico, which is barely a D1 college team. Others are when they're down big vs UCF. I guess there was a good play or two against Texas Tech and TCU.

He reminds me of Mike Williams. Is that what you want at 12 overall? A guy you just hope moves the chains and makes contested catches?

I wouldn't take a WR at 12 in this bad a draft and when CeeDee is going to be forced most of the passes anyway, but I think I'd rather have Golden or Egbuka. Egbuka isn't impressive physically but at least he made tons of big plays against good competition.

 

[Mr_437]

Again, maybe I'm wrong because I haven't watched live Arizona games, but I don't see why people love this guy so much. Half those highlights are against New Mexico, which is barely a D1 college team. Others are when they're down big vs UCF. I guess there was a good play or two against Texas Tech and TCU.

He reminds me of Mike Williams. Is that what you want at 12 overall? A guy you just hope moves the chains and makes contested catches?

I wouldn't take a WR at 12 in this bad a draft and when CeeDee is going to be forced most of the passes anyway, but I think I'd rather have Golden or Egbuka. Egbuka isn't impressive physically but at least he made tons of big plays against good competition.

Preach! A+

 

[cnuball21]

I agree, but I find it less of a concern in a weak draft. Burden is a non-starter for me in 1, though. I don't think he has plus anything.

Plus athleticism, plus production in the SEC, elite YAC, plus versatility.

 

[cnuball21]

4.41 being “average” speed is a new take for me.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Again, maybe I'm wrong because I haven't watched live Arizona games, but I don't see why people love this guy so much. Half those highlights are against New Mexico, which is barely a D1 college team. Others are when they're down big vs UCF. I guess there was a good play or two against Texas Tech and TCU.

He reminds me of Mike Williams. Is that what you want at 12 overall? A guy you just hope moves the chains and makes contested catches?

I wouldn't take a WR at 12 in this bad a draft and when CeeDee is going to be forced most of the passes anyway, but I think I'd rather have Golden or Egbuka. Egbuka isn't impressive physically but at least he made tons of big plays against good competition.

His 2023 season was just as impressive (90 rec., 1,402 yards, and 10 TDs). Just looking at 100+ yard games as a marker, he eclipsed that amount versus:

Oklahoma
USC
Mississippi State
Colorado
Utah
Arizona State

Besides, name the receiver you like and you can be sure they had good games against lesser opponents. That’s college football.

 

[baltcowboy]

As much as I understand CeeDee needs someone to take attention from him in the passing game, I just don’t know about picking a receiver with our first pick when it appears we will be going back to a ball control offense. If we draft Tet for example are we just going to send him out on a few goes a game. If his stat line is under 50 catches and 500 yards I would think that is a wasted pick. Our first two picks need to be playmakers not decoys.

 

[morasp]

Golden had his two best games in the playoffs.

Matt Golden
8/162 against Georgia in the Conference Championship
7/149 against ASU in the CFB Quarter Final

McMillan
6/68 against ASU in the regular season.