T.O. vs. Roy Wi11iams: who's the better WR and why?

[AMERICAS_FAN]

first, let me ask this respectfully, please let's not turn this into a a "cut T.O." or "T.O. is a cancer" thread, or a "we should have never traded for Roy Wi11iams" thread. Whatever you think in these regards, please leave that out of this thread. I really am hoping we can instead discuss our opinions about these players' pure abilities and how they can complement the offensive design.

It is very likely that T.O. and Roy Wi11iams are on the team in 2009 with Jason Garrett calling the offense's plays. If that's the case, then how do you think they should be incorporated/designed into the offense, based soley on their skills and abilities? Who would be the better #1 WR; who would be the better #2? How should Garrett use these puzzle pieces and why do you think that?

 

[Aztecromo]

ROy Wi11iams is a slug.
T0 the better WR.

 

[jterrell]

T.O. is clearly a better WR.

I'd have T.O. running crossing routes and slants. I'd have him move a lot into the slot. He'd get a couple of deep balls per half to keep defenses honest.

With RW I'd run slants, outs, comebacks and back shoulder stop patterns.
Basically use his size and then fades into the end zone.

I'd target RW a lot more on 3rd down and less than 10 as he excels in those 8 to 10 yard catches. The problem is he kinda duplicates Witten but isn't as reliable.

I'd line up RW and T.O. on the same side a fair amount then run the opposite way. Force the defense to guard one of them with a LB or likely give up huge runs to the other side. You can't cheat a safety over top of those WRs and try to stop the run with just a CB. Witten already eats one LB.

 

[Nav22]

Williams has done nothing to even make this a legitimate debate.

T.O. #1
Williams #2

Until proven otherwise.

 

[EveryoneElse]

Speed: TO
Route Running: TO
YAC: TO
Hands: Roy 11
Leadership: Roy 11


TO is hands down the better player of the two, and imo it isn't even close. Roy has had one good season since breaking into the league, and TO does it year in and year out.

Roy has shown flashes of brilliance, and I hope he can develop a good relationship on the football field with Romo this offseason and maybe start producing like a 1st round pick.

 

[Nav22]

Leadership: Roy 11

Tell the young WRs on this team that Roy's a better leader than T.O. is and I bet they'd laugh in your face.

 

[Big D]

I'd have Barber , Jones and Choice split 30 - 40 carrys a game and go from there.

 

[EveryoneElse]

Tell the young WRs on this team that Roy's a better leader than T.O. is and I bet they'd laugh in your face.

TOs been here for what, 3 going on 4 years, and I've seen Roy get his guys jacked up in the middle of a game more times in his only 9 games in Dallas.

 

[jackrussell]

TO...great WR?

Or....GREATEST WR?

Signed,

Stephen Colbert

 

[Apollo Creed]

It's a sad comparison because one player is in his mid 30s and the other player is in his mid 20s.

The 36 year old demands double teams, while Roy Wi11iams in his prime can't even get past any team's 2nd corner.

No brainer here, and its sad because they are 10 years apart, and one is supposed to be our 'future'.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

first, let me ask this respectfully, please let's not turn this into a a "cut T.O." or "T.O. is a cancer" thread, or a "we should have never traded for Roy Wi11iams" thread.

You are kidding right. You know what this is gonna turn into.

But I will answer the best I can

First of all there is no comparison... they are two different types of WR. Both bring something special to the table.


Terrell Owens

• Defenses have to really game plan for him
• He makes Witten and Barber close to great when they were pretty good already
• Once he gets the ball he could get into endzone
• He is a slant threat as well as a deep threat
• Playmaking WR
• He is not a coachable WR

Roy Williams

• He is a jump ball specialist - I would like to see that worked on him and Romo
• He has great hands - was a little suprised that he didnt catch everything thrown his way - but I think he will this year
• He will allow TO to make those big plays more consistently and vice versa - Roy will get more opps
• Possession WR
• He is a coachable WR

I could see TO putting up 10-12 TD
I could see RWR putting up 5-7
I could see Witten putting up 5-7

Romo could easily approach and pass the TD record. Not that I want it or need and neither does he... but he has the chess pieces to do it.

Barber and Felix punch in about 6-7 each

The offense should run THAT GOOD.

 

[Cowboys2008]

1 I'd give a book, the other teacher glasses. I'd throw them in a room together. And they wouldn't come out until TO had learned to become a true leader by teaching Roy the game from the ground up. Making the student of the game become the teacher and the underachieving kid learn how to finish a single route.

But class wouldn't be over just quite yet.. Bring in Tony.
With 2 DBs blanketing Roy, I'd make Romo throw to him in double coverage all day long until he got it in his head that that's what he has to do with Williams because he's never going to get open much. After which Romo's arm would need to be iced and nobody on this team could ever accuse him again of not bringing it in practice. All while Witten and TO were on the sideline watching cartoons together become best friends forever. Aww.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Terrell Owens

• Defenses have to really game plan for him
• He makes Witten and Barber close to great when they were pretty good already
• Once he gets the ball he could get into endzone
• He is a slant threat as well as a deep threat
• Playmaking WR
• He is not a coachable WR

Roy Williams

• He is a jump ball specialist - I would like to see that worked on him and Romo
• He has great hands - was a little suprised that he didnt catch everything thrown his way - but I think he will this year
• He will allow TO to make those big plays more consistently and vice versa - Roy will get more opps
• Possession WR
• He is a coachable WR

These are interesting points. Both have played the #1 WR position, but I do agree that it seems Williams would be the more dangropus deep threat as a #2 WR because of his "hands" and better ability to run under a fade (or go up and grab the corner route out of the air). T.O. I think has lost some strength-ability as we saw him get knocked off track this season at the LOS. But if you move him inside more, he'll be getting coverd by LBs more and they're not ging to win that battle. And playing T.O. inside will force teams to choose to cover him or Witten; they can't cover both.

So basically, I think the offense needs to be re-tooled where T.O. is closer to LBs than DBs. This will help the running game also because he's an excellent blocker on running downs. Also, by playing T.O. inside you focus him as a possession-type #1 WR over the middle, rhater than the big-play outside-streaking WR that defensies limited by jamming him out of his routes at the line.

Roy Williams can be used on similar short-yardage possession routes on the outside and intermediate zones, and he can be freed-up by using Miles Austin - by playing his side either on the inside of him or outside. If Austin can clear the deep-side and deep-midle zones with his speed, then T.O. and Williams can do more damage underneath zones (short and short-to-intermediate) because more of these zones will be open, giving them a better chance to find the openings and also use their run-after-catch abilities to exploit them.

 

[DanTanna]

...dripping with whorn homerism...

 

[irvin4evs]

TO by a mile.

 

[DallasEast]

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[McCordsville Cowboy]

first, let me ask this respectfully, please let's not turn this into a a "cut T.O." or "T.O. is a cancer" thread, or a "we should have never traded for Roy Wi11iams" thread. Whatever you think in these regards, please leave that out of this thread. I really am hoping we can instead discuss our opinions about these players' pure abilities and how they can complement the offensive design.

It is very likely that T.O. and Roy Wi11iams are on the team in 2009 with Jason Garrett calling the offense's plays. If that's the case, then how do you think they should be incorporated/designed into the offense, based soley on their skills and abilities? Who would be the better #1 WR; who would be the better #2? How should Garrett use these puzzle pieces and why do you think that?

TO is a prima donna classic overachiever.... Driven by ego and need for attention. He has done more with what he was naturally given.

Roy is an underacheiver who still hasnt tapped his potential in Dallas.

 

[28 Joker]

I"ll take the 27 year old player who put up #1 WR numbers in 2006 and was on his way to doing it in 2007 until John Kitna blew out 2 tires and the Lions blew up. Also, Williams hurt his ankle late in the season. I will take his output and combine it with Miles Austin, Martellus Bennett, and Felix Jones in order to replace him. Williams was hobbled by planntar fascia, and he couldn't run in December. #11 can move the chains for the Cowboys and be a factor in the redzone. He's big, strong, and fast. He explodes off the line when he is healthy. Plus, he's open when he's "covered", much like Larry Filtzgerald. Just throw it up and give him a chance, and he will catch it. Unlike Owens, Roy E. has great hands. He's a player on the uptick who hasn't had a supporting cast. Dallas liked him and bought him and gave him number 1 money. Plus, they gave up a first round pick. Like him or not, he's yours.

Terrell Owens is pushing 36, and his YPA has declined 3 of the last 4 seasons, and it just hit a 4 year low and a big dropoff. His numbers (65.8 YPG) reflect it. He can't get off the line on a consistent basis. Most importantly, he didn't beat bracket coverage, after the Packers and Commanders shut him down, like he did in 2007. The 49ers didn't get the memo. Owens is on the down side, and if the Titans can move the ball up and down the field on Baltimore and Pittsburgh with the great Justin Gage as the #1, then the Cowboys can take Roy Williams and throw him 140-150 balls.

If you throw Owens 140-150 balls next year when he can't beat the top corners, you will be out of the playoffs again. Owens' 2.0 YPA against 'red' corners (on an 8 game sample or half Joyner's returns in) is worse than Patrick Crayton's 2.8 YPA in 2007.

When you go from 9.4 YPA against 'red' corners to 2.0 YPA, even in an 8 game sample, you have to look at the player. That can't be all Jason Garrett's fault like Terrell Owens believes and claims in public.

 

[CATCH17]

They are both good but we didn't do a good job getting our receivers the ball this year.

Witten and MB3 caught a lot of balls and TO, Crayton, and Roy were lackluster compared to other seasons.

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Also, Williams hurt his ankle late in the season. I will take his output and combine it with Miles Austin, Martellus Bennett, and Felix Jones in order to replace him. Williams was hobbled by planntar fascia, and he couldn't run in December. #11 can move the chains for the Cowboys and be a factor in the redzone. He's big, strong, and fast. He explodes off the line when he is healthy.

Agreed there. Williams has been injured for quite some time. But I have heared he's going to make a full recovery. If he does I think we have ourselves an upgrade at #1 WR.

When you [T.O.] go from 9.4 YPA against 'red' corners to 2.0 YPA, even in an 8 game sample, you have to look at the player. That can't be all Jason Garrett's fault like Terrell Owens believes and claims in public.

Garrett contributed some, but I agree, T.O. was not the same player he's been in the past and this time injuries were not an excuse. For the first time, teams jammed him at the line and took him out of his intermediate routes. In a recent interview, Jerry Rice said that T.O. relies too much on his strength and speed.

T.O. still has spped but I think his strength is lees of an advantage. rice also said he needs work with his mechanics, which explains whay a guy who is now beig disrupted at the line can't readjust his patterns in the intermendaie zones. That's why I think Garrett should play him in the slot more, to either draw the opposition's #1 CB inside, or to have T.O. beating #2 CBs or LBs inside.