News: Taking a good look at the usual, 2 LB defensive set

[CCBoy]

so long as those percentage top salaries and contracts belong to his own players who Stephen considers 'core players" . .. .. he believes in re-signing his own core players.

Only a trade that is a bargain deal such as the one that brought Robert Quinn to Dallas, would Stephen consider differently .. that's a Money Ball deal

Talent levels have been steadily improving in the franchise over the past 8 or so seasons. Scouting and coaching interchanges have been bringing a better type of player to the roster.

I don't foresee another player coming in that sets team high marks on both salary and cost of draft picks surrendered.

Football is still a team managed sport and player development can still be attained by bringing in a veteran underused talent and he can grow into a top level team player and earn that level of pay prior to receiving it.

Adapting top cost players to your team's schemes and coaching can be a much less than efficient cost from the start. A player's reputation doesn't meet positional demands on the same levels attained before the changes. That is still dependent upon team growths. A gamble at the very best. Or a sophisticated roster that is much more easily merged with.

 

[conner01]

When they decided to allow 48 active, they did it in part to allow teams to have 8 OL active.

Having only 7 active is dangerous to QBs. You could end up with a TE playing OG or OT...

I get the logic of a team having 8 just don’t really see rules dealing with the roster being specific to a position too often. I’ve always been a fan of all 53 being active for a game myself. Some teams wouldn’t have 53 active every game because of injury but that’s their choice. Injury is a big issue in the nfl so more active players would mean a few less snaps for some players, especially on ST. I’d have a minimum of say 48 you have to have, and a max of 53. But you’d have to change PS rules from active to played

 

[CCBoy]

I get the logic of a team having 8 just don’t really see rules dealing with the roster being specific to a position too often. I’ve always been a fan of all 53 being active for a game myself. Some teams wouldn’t have 53 active every game because of injury but that’s their choice. Injury is a big issue in the nfl so more active players would mean a few less snaps for some players, especially on ST. I’d have a minimum of say 48 you have to have, and a max of 53. But you’d have to change PS rules from active to played

Special rules during convind to protect that positional group on the team. That hasn't changed yet, since it was added.

 

[xwalker]

I get the logic of a team having 8 just don’t really see rules dealing with the roster being specific to a position too often. I’ve always been a fan of all 53 being active for a game myself. Some teams wouldn’t have 53 active every game because of injury but that’s their choice. Injury is a big issue in the nfl so more active players would mean a few less snaps for some players, especially on ST. I’d have a minimum of say 48 you have to have, and a max of 53. But you’d have to change PS rules from active to played

They did it in the past with QBs.

 

[conner01]

They did it in the past with QBs.

Emergency QB
I remember that
It was logical since if he came in the others were done
I would imagine every team would carry 8 anyway. Just because it makes sense but makinn Mm g it required was what seemed odd to me

 

[quickccc]

Talent levels have been steadily improving in the franchise over the past 8 or so seasons. Scouting and coaching interchanges have been bringing a better type of player to the roster.

I don't foresee another player coming in that sets team high marks on both salary and cost of draft picks surrendered.

Football is still a team managed sport and player development can still be attained by bringing in a veteran underused talent and he can grow into a top level team player and earn that level of pay prior to receiving it.

Adapting top cost players to your team's schemes and coaching can be a much less than efficient cost from the start. A player's reputation doesn't meet positional demands on the same levels attained before the changes. That is still dependent upon team growths. A gamble at the very best. Or a sophisticated roster that is much more easily merged with.

I could see the point of those that would want to be vouching for Robert Quinn – as he’s a flat out proven pure pass rusher. off the edge.
And he’s done It in both 4-3 and 3-4. ... And he’s done it at three different teams.

This is not a wait and see developmental like Sam- I- am Williams, ..
With Quinn that’s hitting the ground running with a veteran guy you know that can flat rush the passer.

But it comes with some comprising notes:
1) Understand what Quinn's strengths and weakness are – and particular vs the run. .. and ironically our own defense is already having it’s issues.. vs the run
It happens to be our leading vulnerable weakness on this defense.
And a guy like Quinn seems much better, more suited as a pass rush specialist- ala Fred Dean.
Its not like Quinn is too light to manage handling the run, it seems like he just ignores and runs right by the runner. - On a frequent basis.

2) And I dunno about paying out for a big contract for a guy that’s really a part time-nickel rush guy.

 

[CCBoy]

I could see the point of those that would want to be vouching for Robert Quinn – as he’s a flat out proven pure pass rusher. off the edge.
And he’s done It in both 4-3 and 3-4. ... And he’s done it at three different teams.

This is not a wait and see developmental like Sam- I- am Williams, ..
With Quinn that’s hitting the ground running with a veteran guy you know that can flat rush the passer.

But it comes with some comprising notes:
1) Understand what Quinn's strengths and weakness are – and particular vs the run. .. and ironically our own defense is already having it’s issues.. vs the run
It happens to be our leading vulnerable weakness on this defense.
And a guy like Quinn seems much better, more suited as a pass rush specialist- ala Fred Dean.
Its not like Quinn is too light to manage handling the run, it seems like he just ignores and runs right by the runner. - On a frequent basis.

2) And I dunno about paying out for a big contract for a guy that’s really a part time-nickel rush guy.

This is where Stephen is more adept at listening to his scouts and schemes of his coaches...without over loading the current cash flow stability or draft values for the immediate future. No Washington types of disparity...

 

[CCBoy]

After an outstanding rookie year in 2018 that made him a Second-team All-Pro and Pro Bowler, Vander Esch’s health issues nearly derailed his career. Neck concerns diagnosed during the 2019 offseason clearly affected Leighton’s style of play that year and eventually cost him the last quarter of the season.

Leighton returned in 2020 but suffered a broken collarbone in Week 1 and missed nearly half the season. In the 10 games he did play, like much of the Cowboys defense, Vander Esch seemed to struggle adapting Defensive Coordinator Mike Nolan’s scheme...

(Then he came under the influence of a real defensive motivator, Dan Quinn.)
https://insidethestar.com/why-2022-could-be-a-big-season-for-lb-leighton-vander-esch/


Now enter Parsons, one of the very top linebackers in the league.


There’s a reason we often think one duos with great linebackers. Dan Quinn had one in Seattle with Bobby Wagner and K.J. Wright; the two are able to play off each other and one can generally shine when the other is getting focused on by blockers.
https://insidethestar.com/why-2022-could-be-a-big-season-for-lb-leighton-vander-esch/

...the grounds are set for strength in the two linebackers on the field, most of the time.

 

[BAT]

The Cowboys already have a Chuck Clark in Donavon Wilson.

And Bell.

 

[BAT]

The current linebackers set to suite up game days, are;

Micah Parsons
Leighton Vander Esch
Jabril Cox
Luke Gifford

5 linebackers probably will be suiting up on game days?

Damon Clark

Damone Clark not playing this season.

Nor should he.

Rather trade Kelvin Joseph and pick to Chiefs for Leo Chenal.

Like him paired with Parsons much more than LVE.

And I'd trade a future first for Vita Vea or even Jordan Davis.

That immovable object in the middle eating double and triple teams would take Cowboys defense to another level.

 

[BAT]

The Cowboys are looking very good at safety. Now, how about one more big MLB or 1T?

Exactly this.

Cowboys need BOTH.

 

[BAT]

I could see the point of those that would want to be vouching for Robert Quinn – as he’s a flat out proven pure pass rusher. off the edge.
And he’s done It in both 4-3 and 3-4. ... And he’s done it at three different teams.

This is not a wait and see developmental like Sam- I- am Williams, ..
With Quinn that’s hitting the ground running with a veteran guy you know that can flat rush the passer.

But it comes with some comprising notes:
1) Understand what Quinn's strengths and weakness are – and particular vs the run. .. and ironically our own defense is already having it’s issues.. vs the run
It happens to be our leading vulnerable weakness on this defense.
And a guy like Quinn seems much better, more suited as a pass rush specialist- ala Fred Dean.
Its not like Quinn is too light to manage handling the run, it seems like he just ignores and runs right by the runner. - On a frequent basis.

2) And I dunno about paying out for a big contract for a guy that’s really a part time-nickel rush guy.

The edges are not Cowboys D greatest weakness, it's the middle.

 

[quickccc]

The edges are not Cowboys D greatest weakness, it's the middle.

It becomes a team thang when it comes to run defense ...you add Qunn and run defense gets that much significant weaker

 

[quickccc]

Exactly this.

Cowboys need BOTH.

Isn't Parsons listed as the middle LB .... you wanna replace him ?

 

[nalam]

Should be 50.

I could never get the game day active concept , why not the full healthy roster ?

 

[ChuckA1]

Isn't Parsons listed as the middle LB .... you wanna replace him ?

No, I want to have a big, run stopping MLB in the game with Micah on certain downs. Someone like Bobby Wagner would have improved this D by allowing Micah to roam.

 

[jterrell]

Should be 50.

goofy to have anyone inactive. just activate them all and drop the paper work.
make life a lot easier on special teams coaches and avoid the rare nonsense of lacking a QB or RB or OL.

 

[jterrell]

No, I want to have a big, run stopping MLB in the game with Micah on certain downs. Someone like Bobby Wagner would have improved this D by allowing Micah to roam.

Wagner is more an old school LB but that has played itself out in the NFL. There's a reason he only signed for what's really 3 years 28.5M
He's very similar to what Dallas has in LVE and they had in Jaylon before. And those are reserve players now. Teams want more speed than Wagner has at 32 years old.
He would have been a large upgrade but only for the subset of snaps he played over LVE.
Dallas wants Cox to be the other LB next to Micah on most downs.

 

[CCBoy]

Wagner is more an old school LB but that has played itself out in the NFL. There's a reason he only signed for what's really 3 years 28.5M
He's very similar to what Dallas has in LVE and they had in Jaylon before. And those are reserve players now. Teams want more speed than Wagner has at 32 years old.
He would have been a large upgrade but only for the subset of snaps he played over LVE.
Dallas wants Cox to be the other LB next to Micah on most downs.

I like the current group of linebackers, but more depth is needed. This, if changed, will be done smartly...

Mix in this:

Pro Football Focus recently released an article ranking the 10 best cornerbacks in press coverage. Not only was Diggs up top at the No. 1 spot, but his fellow Cowboys corner was also on the list. This is the top 10:

1. Trevon Diggs, Dallas Cowboys
2. Jalen Ramsey, Los Angeles Rams
3. Jackrabbit Jenkins, Tennessee Titans
4. Marshon Lattimore, New Orleans Saints
5. Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, New Orleans Saints
6. Ronald Darby, Denver Broncos
7. Denzel Ward, Cleveland Browns
8. Stephon Gilmore, Carolina Panthers
9. Anthony Brown, Dallas Cowboys
10. Anthony Averett, Baltimore Ravens

...and this fan is pretty interested in the changes that are coming down the pike.

 

[ChuckA1]

This defense will be very good.