Talent or Coaching

[cowboybish]

Which - Talent or Coaching is more important? Can an average talent team w good coaching beat a very talented team with average coaching. Which team wins 2 of 3?

 

[CowboyRoy]

Which - Talent or Coaching is more important? Can an average talent team w good coaching beat a very talented team with average coaching. Which team wins 2 of 3?

both matter but if you don’t have the talent your done.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Jason Garret won coach of the year once because of how much talent the Cowboys had

 

[Diehardblues]

Jimmy didn’t have as much success without the talent . Neither did Landry. The list goes on.

 

[kskboys]

both matter but if you don’t have the talent your done.

That's very very close to what I was going to say.

 

[CATCH17]

Look at the Patriots.

They have been the model and they won a lot of games with smart football players who just do their job.

 

[Diehardblues]

Landry is the only HC in NFL history to take 4 different QB’s with same franchise to a championship game . But only won a Super Bowl with 1 of them. Talent matters.

 

[Diehardblues]

Look at the Patriots.

They have been the model and they won a lot of games with smart football players who just do their job.

But they had a great defense most years and arguably the best QB.

 

[kskboys]

Look at the Patriots.

They have been the model and they won a lot of games with smart football players who just do their job.

But have never won it all w/o major talent.

Edelmann is the best slot WR in the NFL. Hightower a top 5 MLB. Gilmore the best CB in the game. Michel is a very good RB. White is prolly the best receiving RB in the NFL. Gronk is top 5 all time. Malcolm Brown and Danny Shelton are two of the best run stufferst at DT in the NFL. And to top it off, NE always makes sure to have a good OL.

 

[Diehardblues]

Which - Talent or Coaching is more important? Can an average talent team w good coaching beat a very talented team with average coaching. Which team wins 2 of 3?

In the NFL the overall talent is close and why On Any Given Sunday still applies. And so many upsets but most games are handicapped within 7 points.

There’s usually a handful of Elite talent on the better teams which often make the difference.

Most of the top teams have the best QB’s and or best defenses. Really tough to win at a high level without a great QB. And tough to win in playoffs without a good defense.

 

[kskboys]

Landry is the only HC in NFL history to take 4 different QB’s with same franchise to a championship game . But only won a Super Bowl with 1 of them. Talent matters.

And luck and bad calls. Should've won the ice bowl w/ Meredith, and the super bowl vs the Colts w/ Morton. Neither loss was due to talent.

 

[CATCH17]

But they had a great defense most years and arguably the best QB.

They have run the best schemes in the league for years.


They have been scheme > team.

 

[Diehardblues]

And luck and bad calls. Should've won the ice bowl w/ Meredith, and the super bowl vs the Colts w/ Morton. Neither loss was due to talent.

We had enough talent to win. Maybe not in all of the key positions but close.

Packers one of if not greatest team all time. I’d argue they had more talent than us.

Colts is a good example of upset. We gave that game away. But Colts had Legit talent. A totally dominating team just 2 years early upset by Jets.

 

[Diehardblues]

They have run the best schemes in the league for years.


They have been scheme > team.

Great combination. Arguably best QB this era and best Defensive guru.

 

[kskboys]

We had enough talent to win. Maybe not in all of the key positions but close.

Packers one of if not greatest team all time. I’d argue they had more talent than us.

Colts is a good example of upset. We gave that game away. But Colts had Legit talent. A totally dominating team just 2 years early upset by Jets.

Yeah, this is the one where you were inferring that Landry lost due to talent. It wasn't that in several playoff losses. In the Colts game, we actually recovered a fumble, and they gave the recovery to the Colts. Weird crapp.

 

[sureletsrace]

I think it is an exercise in futility to try to compare talent vs coaching. I think the best coaches get the most out of their talent, and I think the best coaches become the best coaches because of their access to talent. It's a perfect binary system that feeds itself.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yeah, this is the one where you were inferring that Landry lost due to talent. It wasn't that in several playoff losses. In the Colts game, we actually recovered a fumble, and they gave the recovery to the Colts. Weird crapp.

As far as Landry not having success without talent , I was referring to the early 60’s and late 80’s.

 

[Diehardblues]

I think it is an exercise in futility to try to compare talent vs coaching. I think the best coaches get the most out of their talent, and I think the best coaches become the best coaches because of their access to talent. It's a perfect binary system that feeds itself.

It takes both. Great coaching can make the most of lesser talent but will still lose out eventually to greater talent. We’ve seen it at all levels.

 

[WillieBeamen]

Coaching


A Great Coach will take a sub-par talented team further then a talented team with sub-par coaching


Case in point, the 2003 Cowboys and the 2019 Cowboys

 

[Ranching]

Which - Talent or Coaching is more important? Can an average talent team w good coaching beat a very talented team with average coaching. Which team wins 2 of 3?

Being a former coach I'd love to say coaching, but talent wins more often than not in the NFL and NCAA. HS and below is a toss up.
The coaching really shines through when the talent us relatively equal.