Talent vs non-talent

[thunderpimp91]

Actually, IMO we are still the worst defense in the league, but that isn't the topic I was engaged in. Again, if you don't see that certain players have been upgraded it's because you don't want to.

Eh I really dont have a dog in this fight, I just think its a dumb debate. JPJ is a clear upgrade. I think Jalen Thompson should be an upgrade, but hasnt stayed on the field long enough to justify that stance. Downs I'd put in the upgrade category except CP wants to use him in a head scratching mannor. Overall the upgrades outside of JPJ barely move the needle. Arguing between guys like Rashan Gary and Sam Williams is like arguing over whos bowel movements smell the best.

 

[phildadon86]

I stopped at the bolded. That's just so far beyond moronic that it shows there isn't a rational discussion to be had here and rather just someone trying to further an agenda

Of course.

Because you cant see past your own agenda of trying to prove this defense is upgraded.

Lets compare Diggs first season to Durants shall we? Let be rational. Go ahead.

Be rational mr Gary is better than Sam Williams...

	Cobie Durant (2026 Season)	Trevon Diggs (2020 Rookie)
Games Played / Started	12 / 11	5 / 3
Combined Tackles	58 (49 solo, 9 ast)	10 (7 solo, 3 ast)
Interceptions	3	0
Passes Defended	14	2
Sacks	1.0	0.0
Forced Fumbles	1	1

 

[phildadon86]

Eh I really dont have a dog in this fight, I just think its a dumb debate. JPJ is a clear upgrade. I think Jalen Thompson should be an upgrade, but hasnt stayed on the field long enough to justify that stance. Downs I'd put in the upgrade category except CP wants to use him in a head scratching mannor. Overall the upgrades outside of JPJ barely move the needle. Arguing between guys like Rashan Gary and Sam Williams is like arguing over whos bowel movements smell the best.

JPJ hasnt moved the needle either. He has barely played.

This whole "we upgraded" talk is nonsense.

 

[thunderpimp91]

JPJ hasnt moved the needle either. He has barely played.

This whole "we upgraded" talk is nonsense.

No argument there. I'm fine with either side of that debate. When hes been on the field hes been impressive, but I think he only has what like 60 snaps so far this year? The talent upgrade with him is certainly there, but if you cant get on the field it really doesnt matter.

 

[Jarntt]

Of course.

Because you cant see past your own agenda of trying to prove this defense is upgraded.

Lets compare Diggs first season to Durants shall we? Let be rational. Go ahead.

Be rational mr Gary is better than Sam Williams...

	Cobie Durant (2026 Season)	Trevon Diggs (2020 Rookie)
Games Played / Started	12 / 11	5 / 3
Combined Tackles	58 (49 solo, 9 ast)	10 (7 solo, 3 ast)
Interceptions	3	0
Passes Defended	14	2
Sacks	1.0	0.0
Forced Fumbles	1	1

Oh FFS Diggs first season? His FIRST SEASON


That is the most ridiculous attempt at not looking like an idiot and moving the goal posts to try and "win" a discussion I've seen on here as if anyone, anywhere, ever thought that the discussion was 2020 vs 2026. In addition, I have no clue what that little chart is even supposed to show other than Diggs barely played year 1


Again, since you can't follow along I'll try and keep it simple for you. You should have just stopped at Q and JPJ when you even admitted they were upgrades, but no, you are too stubborn to do that and continue to argue a losing cause for God knows what reason

 

[stilltheguru]

The talent is here to not be 4-5 barely beating the colts.

 

[Acceptablename]

LOL. Talent is there?

Where exactly?

The only real talent this team has on defense is Q, and Porter. Literally everyone else is average.

There are several developing players that will be better next year. Overton as a example,

 

[Whyjerry]

I'm not defending Jerry but I'm not sure we've ever seen this many changes in one off-season but guess what: we are still worse off than when MM was here two years ago. It's crazy to add these changes to the talent we already had and still struggle to have a winning season.

Problem is good players become average in Dallas. Average players become bad. Bad players become liabilities. The list of players is meaningless. They NEVER coach them up in Dallas. Especially this group of losers.

 

[Whyjerry]

The talent is here to not be 4-5 barely beating the colts.

The talent is there to be 5-4 ok!