Talkin cowboys 7-27

[LatinMind]

* Garrett talking bout how easier it is this yr after being rushed last yr starting TC late with the Giants. Thats how theyre able to give vets days off this yr.

* Beasly showing alot and able to get open in different spots. Smaller guys tend to get lost in the shuffle but not Beasly.

* With Livings coming back and Kowalski healthy suprised Arkin still in the mix.

Mickey says they want to give Arkin every chance to show he can play. Seems like he is on his last life.

They think the last roster spot on the OL is between Kowalski and Arkin.

* Watched Parnell, and he is not close to returning. Need to find out what they have in Weems or go out and sign a tackle.

* Update on Spencer: Loose partical under kneecap. Like have particles of sand in there. Team isnt really worried about rushing Spencer. Just want him ready for Giants week 1.

* Gavin Escobar getting work at the FB spot too. So much for him not being strong. Coaches said Gavin can line up on the line and be a blocking TE. So much for that report on him being soft.

* Caller: If Murray is injured again this yr could Cowboys go a different direction next yr? Wait until he's injured to see what team does.

* Johnson showing up, but it seems like everytime he makes a play he's walking to the sideline with a tweek.

* Ron Leary better than anybody you couldve drafted in RD3? Probably, look at Leary to see if he can beat out either Livings or Mack.

* If you replace Livings and Costa would the Line be better? They say yes. So the starting OL would be
Tyron Smith | Ron Leary | Travis Fredrick | Mackenzy Bernadeau | Doug Free

Then Mickey says what if Costa is the other G. Broaduss Says he doesnt know if Costa is better than Mack at G.

* If Cowboys can get competition to get Livings, Mack, Kowalski, Leary and let the best 2 start. This OL will be alot better in the long run.

* OL situation is alot more competitive this yr, as last yr u have 5 guys who could start and alot of injuries.

* Team trying to create more concentration. If False start or offsides happen, not the player comes off the field but the whole unit.

* Broadus says he hasnt been apart of a Cowboys TC where so many INT and fumble recoveries have taken place. DEF is going to get TO's

* Side note, Broadus voice is becoming increasingly annoying. LOL

* Broadus says in 2014 when theyre doing their draft shows, he Thinks Cowboys will be talking about QB. Not late RD pick either but Rds 1-3. Talking bout Romos deal, Guaranteed money is mostly in the first 3 yrs. Dallas could release Tony in yr 4.

Broadus says he could see Dallas using a RD2 pick on QB

* Cowboys fortunate, Parcells wasnt going to play Romo, if Quincy wouldnt have blown his career Romo woulve been cut in 2004

 

[CoCo]

Unamortized cap $ on Romo after playing in 2015 = $30.1 M. The two year split would be 11.8/18.3 = ain't happening IMO. After 2016 it becomes 11.6/10.8 over two years = much more manageable. So that means a 2014 draftee would sit 14/15/16 before playing in 2017. That would mean the team has 1 year of watching him play before deciding to offer the next contract if he's a 2nd round or later pick. Pretty risky IMO. If he's first round they get 5 years.

But of course much of this depends on who comes out that they like or if they find a vet option somewhere as a bridge. It'll be interesting. But I think Romo plays through 2016 at least unless he breaks down physically.

My cap numbers assume restructuctures at the end of every year which I think is a done deal. To not do so will mean BIG cap cost jumps (10-15 M in a single year which there is no way we can afford)

 

[dmq]

This talk seems to be taking a step back from all that Arkin starting stuff.

 

[LatinMind]

Unamortized cap $ on Romo after playing in 2015 = $30.1 M. The two year split would be 11.8/18.3 = ain't happening IMO. After 2016 it becomes 11.6/10.8 over two years = much more manageable. So that means a 2014 draftee would sit 14/15/16 before playing in 2017. That would mean the team has 1 year of watching him play before deciding to offer the next contract if he's a 2nd round or later pick. Pretty risky IMO. If he's first round they get 5 years.

But of course much of this depends on who comes out that they like or if they find a vet option somewhere as a bridge. It'll be interesting. But I think Romo plays through 2016 at least unless he breaks down physically.

My cap numbers assume restructuctures at the end of every year which I think is a done deal. To not do so will mean BIG cap cost jumps (10-15 M in a single year which there is no way we can afford)

If Dallas cuts him in 2016 Their Dead money would be 16.6 mil u cut that into 2 yrs and its 8.3 mil a yr. in 2016 his Salary is 15 mil and in 2017 19 mil. they would save 7 and 11 mil respectively. 2014 and 2015 Romo is making over 20 mil per yr. IMO i think he plays 4 or 5 yrs. Never sees 6 and 7. And Probably doesnt even see yr 5.

 

[LatinMind]

This talk seems to be taking a step back from all that Arkin starting stuff.

Yeah i think the coaches are just taking every chance to look at the guy

 

[Zordon]

#1 thing I took from listening was his tidbit about the turnovers and how he's never seen so many at a Cowboys camp. I really hope this problem finally goes away. I think it's the biggest problem the Cowboys have had over the last decade.

 

[LatinMind]

The best insight i listened to was how fortunate Dallas was. They said if Carter wouldnt have got released they wouldve released Romo. He was 4th on the depth chart. and how much Parcells didnt want to play Romo. Kinda made it seem like Parcells didnt care for him.

 

[RS12]

I think they draft in QB in 14 also.

 

[5Stars]

The best insight i listened to was how fortunate Dallas was. They said if Carter wouldnt have got released they wouldve released Romo. He was 4th on the depth chart. and how much Parcells didnt want to play Romo. Kinda made it seem like Parcells didnt care for him.

Even Carter came out and said that if he would not have messed up that Romo would have never seen the field.

I'm sure many posters here would have loved that!

 

[CoCo]

If Dallas cuts him in 2016 Their Dead money would be 16.6 mil u cut that into 2 yrs and its 8.3 mil a yr. in 2016 his Salary is 15 mil and in 2017 19 mil. they would save 7 and 11 mil respectively. 2014 and 2015 Romo is making over 20 mil per yr. IMO i think he plays 4 or 5 yrs. Never sees 6 and 7. And Probably doesnt even see yr 5.

Romos current deal calls for the following cap costs starting in 2013 - 11.8, 21.8, 25.3, 15.1, 19.0. No way can/will we be absorbing those 2013/2014 cap costs. We'll restructure him every year he plays. Then we'll take his unamortized bonus $ over two years when he retires/released as we replace him with a 1st contract QB. The first year it is affordable to cut him is AFTER 2016 at 22.4 M (its 30.1 M after 2015)

The above is based upon us turning salary into bonus every year except for 2.0/2.5/3.0/3.5 M for each of those 4 years as a reasonable guess - can't do 100% salary into bonus which is why I reduced base to those figures. Also, I think when spreading costs over two years Year 1 is unchanged and everything else dumps to Year 2 - don't think its a 50/50 split. I could be wrong on that.

So anytime you look at Romo's contract beyond 2013 you have to figure an estimated restructure. Using his current deal alone is unrealistic.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Romos current deal calls for the following cap costs starting in 2013 - 11.8, 21.8, 25.3, 15.1, 19.0. No way can/will we be absorbing those 2013/2014 cap costs. We'll restructure him every year he plays. Then we'll take his unamortized bonus $ over two years when he retires/released as we replace him with a 1st contract QB. The first year it is affordable to cut him is AFTER 2016 at 22.4 M (its 30.1 M after 2015)

The above is based upon us turning salary into bonus every year except for 2.0/2.5/3.0/3.5 M for each of those 4 years as a reasonable guess - can't do 100% salary into bonus which is why I reduced base to those figures. Also, I think when spreading costs over two years Year 1 is unchanged and everything else dumps to Year 2 - don't think its a 50/50 split. I could be wrong on that.

So anytime you look at Romo's contract beyond 2013 you have to figure an estimated restructure. Using his current deal alone is unrealistic.

Wow great stuff. Thanks for the info.

 

[LatinMind]

Romos current deal calls for the following cap costs starting in 2013 - 11.8, 21.8, 25.3, 15.1, 19.0. No way can/will we be absorbing those 2013/2014 cap costs. We'll restructure him every year he plays. Then we'll take his unamortized bonus $ over two years when he retires/released as we replace him with a 1st contract QB. The first year it is affordable to cut him is AFTER 2016 at 22.4 M (its 30.1 M after 2015)

The above is based upon us turning salary into bonus every year except for 2.0/2.5/3.0/3.5 M for each of those 4 years as a reasonable guess - can't do 100% salary into bonus which is why I reduced base to those figures. Also, I think when spreading costs over two years Year 1 is unchanged and everything else dumps to Year 2 - don't think its a 50/50 split. I could be wrong on that.

So anytime you look at Romo's contract beyond 2013 you have to figure an estimated restructure. Using his current deal alone is unrealistic.

Why cant the Cowboys carry his 2014/2015 salaries? Dallas doesnt have alot of holes. And they have most of their core already locked up. Dez, Lee, Carter, Murray cap hits will be fairly small in their 1st yr of their 2nd contract. Dallas is a young team with alot of cap friendly contracts. Romo, Ware, Carr deals are basically the only ones that are really high. Spencer IDk if he'll be back, Hatcher probably wont see another deal in Dallas unless he blows up. Ratliff, Miles are probably gone. There wont be many big money contracts in Dallas. Scandrick will most likely be restructured too.

Alot of you worry too much about cap. Dallas has qualified people who laugh at fans and media who say Dallas cant do this or that. I think they've proved that they just dont want to go into FA but rather build thru the draft. They were supposed in cap hell with 30 mil over the cap but they sit with what 8 mil under the cap?

 

[KB1122]

No 2nd round qb. First round or don't bother.

 

[KB1122]

BTW: is anyone confident in that line? Particularly the right side of Bernadeau-Free?

 

[TwentyOne]

Unamortized cap $ on Romo after playing in 2015 = $30.1 M. The two year split would be 11.8/18.3 = ain't happening IMO. After 2016 it becomes 11.6/10.8 over two years = much more manageable. So that means a 2014 draftee would sit 14/15/16 before playing in 2017. That would mean the team has 1 year of watching him play before deciding to offer the next contract if he's a 2nd round or later pick. Pretty risky IMO. If he's first round they get 5 years.

But of course much of this depends on who comes out that they like or if they find a vet option somewhere as a bridge. It'll be interesting. But I think Romo plays through 2016 at least unless he breaks down physically.

My cap numbers assume restructuctures at the end of every year which I think is a done deal. To not do so will mean BIG cap cost jumps (10-15 M in a single year which there is no way we can afford)

Thats right.

I still dont understand the Romo deal. You can't live without restructunring him in year 2 AND 3 of his contract. If you dont his cap hits would be 21.7mill respectivly 25.2 mills. But if you do you cant cut him after year 3 because of the cap hit as you already wrote.

If they don't show me some kind of magic in handing the restruction I do think Romo has to stay here till the end of his contract.

 

[TwentyOne]

Alot of you worry too much about cap. Dallas has qualified people who laugh at fans and media who say Dallas cant do this or that. I think they've proved that they just dont want to go into FA but rather build thru the draft. They were supposed in cap hell with 30 mil over the cap but they sit with what 8 mil under the cap?

The most misunderstood thing about the salary cap is beeing competitive at the right time. It's not about just being under the cap in march.

Of course every team can be under the cap when it has to. We have seen that already. And additionally i don't think the League has any interesst that teams could probably get in situations where they having trouble getting under the cap.

When i use the term "cap hell" or "cap trouble" i mean "not being competitive in march". And the Cowboys haven't been that. They have been under the cap of course, but how much compared to other teams ? In the end the teams with the most available money will be able to sign the players they want/need. And Dallas has been in the last third of the list when it comes to available money in march. Thats not good cap management.

Nobody cares if you are 9 mills under the cap in June. Because at this time your roster is set. Teams buy players at that time because of injuries in camp not to bolster up their starting lineup from a year ago. That happens in march.

And Dallas hasn't been comeptitive in march for years now. Sure they signed some here, some there. But believe me if they would have been able too, the names on the signing list were some else.

And i do ask myself if all "those" people Dallas has are really that kind of qualified. Laughing about arguments from fans/journalists doesn't qualify them. And from what i've seen in recent years qualified is not the right word for them. Like everywhere people tend to put others on a high pedestal just because those people act like they know something. But then what are we excpecting them to say to us ? "Oh gosh the salary cap. I really have no clue about it". That would hurt the organisation. So they laugh about it. But when you look at their work you know theirs laughs cannot happen in relation to their "good" cap knowledge.

 

[NorthTexan95]

The most misunderstood thing about the salary cap is beeing competitive at the right time. It's not about just being under the cap in march.

And Dallas hasn't been comeptitive in march for years now. Sure they signed some here, some there. But believe me if they would have been able too, the names on the signing list were some else.

Brandon Carr says hello.

 

[xwalker]

This talk seems to be taking a step back from all that Arkin starting stuff.

Arkin looked good in the scrimmage.

 

[TwentyOne]

Brandon Carr says hello.

i do not think that was a bad signing. but we needed many more of those.

Livings, mack, no dl, no tackle and a qb deal we were forced into comes to mind. just to name few.

things would have looked different if we had good cap management.

 

[CoCo]

Why cant the Cowboys carry his 2014/2015 salaries? Dallas doesnt have alot of holes. And they have most of their core already locked up. Dez, Lee, Carter, Murray cap hits will be fairly small in their 1st yr of their 2nd contract. Dallas is a young team with alot of cap friendly contracts. Romo, Ware, Carr deals are basically the only ones that are really high. Spencer IDk if he'll be back, Hatcher probably wont see another deal in Dallas unless he blows up. Ratliff, Miles are probably gone. There wont be many big money contracts in Dallas. Scandrick will most likely be restructured too.

Alot of you worry too much about cap. Dallas has qualified people who laugh at fans and media who say Dallas cant do this or that. I think they've proved that they just dont want to go into FA but rather build thru the draft. They were supposed in cap hell with 30 mil over the cap but they sit with what 8 mil under the cap?

A $10 M jump in salary in 1 year is huge for a single player. I won't argue about what absolutely can/can not be done. I'll just predict that with Lee, Dez and Carter all coming up, and with salaries for other vets likely escalating some, that Romo will be redone for 2014 & again for 2015. I strongly suspect his deal was structured intentionally for these annual restructures. It is the best way to keep cap costs manageable now with an eye towards taking our medicine later when Romo's replacement is playing under a deal that is much cheaper early on.

I think Dallas cap management is excellent. I think the track record on who to give big deals to and when has certainly been less that perfect - think Roy11. What an disaster that was in cap & picks traded.

But I also think some fans treat the cap as if it isn't real - and that with creativity anything is possible. Not true. Creativity can absolutely buy you time. But mistakes will be paid for eventually. It is a mathematical certainty. I liken it to people or companies that go bankrupt. It takes time. It looks invisible to many even while its going on. And then gravity has its day.

You saw it with the Commanders and Cowboys (lesser degree) on that uncapped year. It impacted both teams. Of course their respective FO's claimed no biggie - that is their public face to the fans for marketing purposes. But you can bet our financial decisions would've looked differently if we'd have had more freedom.