Talking QB's

[RaZon]

Obviously any pro QB today would gobble up any of those back in the day defenses and no Slingin' Sammy, Otto and Johnny U couldn't hang today vs this caliber of athletes on the D.

So just how do we do this, how do we decide on the top 10 QB;s knowing all the rule changes and all that?

Is it vs their era, which makes Don Hutson the greatest NFLer ever. Do we do that? Sammy Baugh to Otto Graham to Johnny Unitas to......

Imagine Kyler Murray in 1957, hahaha!!!! Cat would look like Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl, dead serious.

What do we do with Terry Bradshaw, guy had 212 TD/210 INT and 4 Superbowl wins. Does Joe Montana really belong right behind THE GOAT? Where does Roger Staubach belong on the QB ladder? Warren Moon? Steve Young? Big Ben? Where do ya put Elway, Marino, Aikman?

What do we look at, can't be Superbowls, Eli has two, Marino 0.

Sure Tom Brady has to be THE GOAT, now what?

Hell, didn't even mention Rodgers, Favre, Peyton and Brees,

 

[DFWJC]

Can't really cross eras.

Project someone 40 years ago into today with a life of training and diet and they would be way stronger, faster, and also more skilled....because they don't have day jobs, they train year around.

Can really only honestly compare in same era.

Plus now WRs run free over the middle without fear and QBs get a flag with just a love tap.
Plus they have offenses with 3-4-5 receivers instead of 2.
Shorter, higher percentage routes instead of low percentage bombs all the time.

It's just not comparable

Murray might literally be killed in week one of 1966, for all we know. Decapitated.
Just kidding
He'd be slower than he is now and not nearly as strong if he only trained a few weekends a year and didn't grow up since pee-wee throwing the ball every day. Plus he'd be playing in an archaic offense where you hand off like robot and have 2 WRs and a TE.
That's if we are getting in time machines.
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Anyway, we did the time/era-adjusted Passer Ratings last year.

The best remained the best.

Guys like Rodgers, Montana, Wilson, Brees, Brady, Young, Staubach, Mahomes (if he gets more years), etc.....they were all still top 10-12 ....even when time/era-adjusted QB ratings are applied.

Bradshaw was WAY down the list...where he belongs. lol

Good is good

 

[RaZon]

Can't really cross eras.

Project someone 40 years ago into today with a life of training and diet and they would be way stronger, faster, and also more skilled....because they don't have day jobs, they train year around.

Can really only honestly compare in same era.

Plus now WRs run free over the middle without fear and QBs get a flag with just a love tap.
Plus they have offenses with 3-4-5 receivers instead of 2.
Shorter, higher percentage routes instead of low percentage bombs all the time.

It's just not comparable

Murray might literally be killed in week one of 1966, for all we know. Decapitated.
Just kidding
He'd be slower than he is now and not nearly as strong if he only trained a few weekends a year and didn't grow up since pee-wee throwing the ball every day. Plus he'd be playing in an archaic offense where you hand off like robot and have 2 WRs and a TE.
That's if we are getting in time machines.
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Anyway, we did the time/era-adjusted Passer Ratings last year.

The best remained the best.

Guys like Rodgers, Montana, Wilson, Brees, Brady, Young, Staubach, Mahomes (if he gets more years), etc.....they were all still top 10-12 ....even when time/era-adjusted QB ratings are applied.

Bradshaw was WAY down the list...where he belongs. lol

Good is good

Trying to talk around the race thing, so will only say these DB's today a whole different deal than way back when,

With a few exceptions like Bob Hayes, Jim Brown, Gale Sayers, really can't see anyone from pre 1970 being able to play today as they were. Sure sure if born today and if Brady was born in 1934 and,.......that's all sci fi.

These guys today face the greatest athletes any QB ever faced, if they can excell in 2021 they sure as hell can excell in 1981, 1971 etc etc.

 

[Flamma]

Obviously any pro QB today would gobble up any of those back in the day defenses and no Slingin' Sammy, Otto and Johnny U couldn't hang today vs this caliber of athletes on the D.

I'm not so sure about that with the rule changes. I don't just mean the rules on the field, salary cap as well. You can't build elite defenses anymore. You can't touch the quarterback, you can't touch the WRs. Defenders today are way less aggressive than they were in the 80s, maybe even the late 70s. You take a quarterback of today and plant him in the past, he'll do good sure, until he gets killed one day up against a D his OL cannot protect him from. Different kind of game back then. Those QBs didn't stand in the pocket going through progressions all that often. They had to get the ball out. Now if you go back far enough, sure, just the speed of the game might give QBs of yesteryear big problems. But QBs of today back in the 80s? Better duck, they get an extra step!

Have you ever heard of Chris Mad Dog Russo? Here is his rant on exactly this. Just scroll down a bit to hear it. I think he's sitting on a couch.

https://www.mediaite.com/sports/wat...y-rolls-off-the-couch-during-epic-nfl-tirade/

Here's a bonus one not on topic but about football too. It's just really funny. I thought he would pop a vein.