Tanaka Is A Yankee!

[Kristen82]

Tanaka - 7 years, $175 million incl. $20 mil posting fee
Darvish - 6 years, $107 million incl. $51 mil posting fee

so that's $17.8 mil/year for Darvish and $25 mil/year for Tanaka. Yep, kudos for paying an inferior pitcher $7.2 mil more per year. When his arm falls off like Matsuzaka's did in only his 3rd season which it probably will with Tanaka having so much mileage on his arm already from averaging like 140 pitches per outing in Japan, this'll be a nightmare.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Tanaka - 7 years, $175 million incl. $20 mil posting fee
Darvish - 6 years, $107 million incl. $51 mil posting fee

so that's $17.8 mil/year for Darvish and $25 mil/year for Tanaka. Yep, kudos for paying an inferior pitcher $7.2 mil more per year. When his arm falls off like Matsuzaka's did in only his 3rd season which it probably will with Tanaka having so much mileage on his arm already from averaging like 140 pitches per outing in Japan, this'll be a nightmare.

Them's be the posting rules!

If the posting rules had been the same for Darvish as they were for Tanaka... Well lots more $$ for sure.

Who knows how Tanaka will pan out...

But given what the Yankees are worth, they have to make the big moves to keep interest in the team, both from a fan and a "hater" perspective.

 

[Kristen82]

Them's be the posting rules!

If the posting rules had been the same for Darvish as they were for Tanaka... Well lots more $$ for sure.

Who knows how Tanaka will pan out...

But given what the Yankees are worth, they have to make the big moves to keep interest in the team, both from a fan and a "hater" perspective.

Yeah their attendance last season was the worst it's been in 12 years so that's why they're loading up. Guess it helps the rest of baseball since they'll bring crowds to the stadium and revenue into the pockets of the owners of every team they're playing.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Them's be the posting rules!

If the posting rules had been the same for Darvish as they were for Tanaka... Well lots more $$ for sure.

Who knows how Tanaka will pan out...

But given what the Yankees are worth, they have to make the big moves to keep interest in the team, both from a fan and a "hater" perspective.

Excellent point. Now that the rules have changed, the Japanese team gets less but the player has much more leverage. Virtually every salary has escalated. It's good for the players but not for the actual team, obviously.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Yeah their attendance last season was the worst it's been in 12 years so that's why they're loading up. Guess it helps the rest of baseball since they'll bring crowds to the stadium and revenue into the pockets of the owners of every team they're playing.

I've been a Yankee fan since the last season of Mickey Mantle... And I just barely remember that. But those Yankee teams of the late 60's and the early 70's were just... there.

It does seem, that like'em or hate'em having a Yankee team that is "a threat" is good for MLB.

Even with Tanaka I don't see the Yankees being a championship team this year, but they'll be more interesting for sure. Last year's team was like watching the 1970 Yankees. All it lacked was Horace Clarke.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yeah their attendance last season was the worst it's been in 12 years so that's why they're loading up. Guess it helps the rest of baseball since they'll bring crowds to the stadium and revenue into the pockets of the owners of every team they're playing.

Revenues from Yankee apparel, Yankees radio and Yankee Network Broadcasting was also down. All of the revenue from all of those things also gets distributed across the league.

 

[Tabascocat]

Cashman is correct, MLB needs a salary cap...these contracts are getting out of hand. All teams do have an opportunity to sign players yet some teams can't, no matter what the revenue sharing states. The Mets are a big market team but can't do that, Astros, etc, etc.

Teams with major TV contracts have the upper hand like the Yankees and Dodgers.

In football, there is a guaranteed portion of a contract, not so in baseball....it is all guaranteed. That handicaps quite a few teams from bad signings, injuries to whatever.

 

[RastaRocket]

Them's be the posting rules!

If the posting rules had been the same for Darvish as they were for Tanaka... Well lots more $$ for sure.

Who knows how Tanaka will pan out...

But given what the Yankees are worth, they have to make the big moves to keep interest in the team, both from a fan and a "hater" perspective.

There is a reason it cost more to negotiate with Darvish than Tanaka...



Yanks suck!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Cashman is correct, MLB needs a salary cap...these contracts are getting out of hand. All teams do have an opportunity to sign players yet some teams can't, no matter what the revenue sharing states. The Mets are a big market team but can't do that, Astros, etc, etc.

Teams with major TV contracts have the upper hand like the Yankees and Dodgers.

In football, there is a guaranteed portion of a contract, not so in baseball....it is all guaranteed. That handicaps quite a few teams from bad signings, injuries to whatever.

In order to have a cap, the owners would probably have to open their books and that is never going to happen.

I would not opposed to a hard cap but if you do that, then you have to consider the fact that other teams would likely not get compensated as much as they do now, from big market teams.

There are issues that the Soft Cap presents, to be sure, but on the other hand, Teams that are located in Florida and Texas also have a significant advantage over other teams, in that there is no State Income Taxes associated so it's a major advantage for them.

I would be in favor of making the entire field level and making the owners open up their books to confirm, in fact, that they are unable to pay for players. I suspect that many of them can but choose not to. Instead, they would rather pocket the money. That, to me, is a major obstacle in any kind of hard cap.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I love baseball, but this is disgusting! Baseball needs a cap, desperately.

Why?

Contrary to popular belief ... The Yankees rarely win a World Series when spending boatloads of money on or more players.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Just curious, what's going on with Pineda? They traded their most coveted prospect in a decade (Montero) for this guy and he's never thrown a pitch. This will be his 3rd season with the team. Have they just given up on him?

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Pineda

 

[CashMan]

Why?

Contrary to popular belief ... The Yankees rarely win a World Series when spending boatloads of money on or more players.

It is not about that, it is about big market teams, throwing off the market, and keeping smaller market teams from having a change at players like this.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Just curious, what's going on with Pineda? They traded their most coveted prospect in a decade (Montero) for this guy and he's never thrown a pitch. This will be his 3rd season with the team. Have they just given up on him?

CC
Kuroda
Tanaka Truck
Pineda

No, he's actually coming a long very well. When the Yankees traded for Pineda, they discovered that he had a Labrum injury, which required surgery. He had surgery in May of 2012, that surgery is usually a 12 month rehab, at least. Pineda started rehab shortly after that, threw last year in the Yankees Minor Leagues as part of his rehab. He started 10 games, had a 3.32 ERA, 1.11 WHIP and 41:14 K:BB ratio in 40 2/3 innings. After experiencing some slight stiffness in his shoulder last year, the Yankees sat him down so as to insure no further setbacks in his rehab. This year, it is reported that he is back to a 95-98 mph Fast Ball and has throwing breaking stuff with good bite, according to reports. He seems to have control back. Sounds as if all that needs to happen is to continue to gain more endurance. He will compete for a spot in the starting rotation this year. I mean, the guy is still only 25 years old. If he gets the spot, it is likely that he and Nova will be the 4/5 starters in the rotation.

As for Montero, he had a great 2012 season but he really fell off in 2013 and is now in Triple A ball for the Mariners. Montero could always hit but he really didn't have a spot in the field. He was only an OK catcher. The Yankees traded him because they have 3 excellent prospects at Catcher, right now, in their farm system. They have Austin Romain who is competing for a spot in the Big Leagues, they have Gary Sanchez who is the #1 prospect in their Minor League Farm System and they have JR Murphy who is only 22 and has already been called up to see time with the Yankees. Yankees are pretty much loaded at Catcher so Montero, while and excellent young hitter, was really not going anywhere with the Yankees as a Catcher. To Catch for the Yankees, you really need to be an excellent defensive player and you need to be able to call a very strong game behind the plate because the right porch in Yankee Stadium is so short, it's more important to be able to limit rather then hit if you are a Catcher for the Yankees. That was just the opposite of what Montero was unfortunately.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

It is not about that, it is about big market teams, throwing off the market, and keeping smaller market teams from having a change at players like this.

This is just not the case. What proof is there that small market teams did not have a chance at Tanaka?

 

[JPM]

No, he's actually coming a long very well. When the Yankees traded for Pineda, they discovered that he had a Labrum injury, which required surgery. He had surgery in May of 2012, that surgery is usually a 12 month rehab, at least. Pineda started rehab shortly after that, threw last year in the Yankees Minor Leagues as part of his rehab. He started 10 games, had a 3.32 ERA, 1.11 WHIP and 41:14 K:BB ratio in 40 2/3 innings. After experiencing some slight stiffness in his shoulder last year, the Yankees sat him down so as to insure no further setbacks in his rehab. This year, it is reported that he is back to a 95-98 mph Fast Ball and has throwing breaking stuff with good bite, according to reports. He seems to have control back. Sounds as if all that needs to happen is to continue to gain more endurance. He will compete for a spot in the starting rotation this year. I mean, the guy is still only 25 years old. If he gets the spot, it is likely that he and Nova will be the 4/5 starters in the rotation.

As for Montero, he had a great 2012 season but he really fell off in 2013 and is now in Triple A ball for the Mariners. Montero could always hit but he really didn't have a spot in the field. He was only an OK catcher. The Yankees traded him because they have 3 excellent prospects at Catcher, right now, in their farm system. They have Austin Romain who is competing for a spot in the Big Leagues, they have Gary Carter who is the #1 prospect in their Minor League Farm System and they have JR Murphy who is only 22 and has already been called up to see time with the Yankees. Yankees are pretty much loaded at Catcher so Montero, while and excellent young hitter, was really not going anywhere with the Yankees as a Catcher. To Catch for the Yankees, you really need to be an excellent defensive player and you need to be able to call a very strong game behind the plate because the right porch in Yankee Stadium is so short, it's more important to be able to limit rather then hit if you are a Catcher for the Yankees. That was just the opposite of what Montero was unfortunately.

You meant Gary Sanchez, not Gary Carter (RIP) but I get it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You meant Gary Sanchez, not Gary Carter (RIP) but I get it.

Yes, and thank you for catching that and pointing it out. I will correct immediately.

 

[CashMan]

This is just not the case. What proof is there that small market teams did not have a chance at Tanaka?

there is a difference between making a bid and making a competitive bid. the Padres could of bid 1yr 5m, but that doesn't mean it was competitive.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

there is a difference between making a bid and making a competitive bid. the Padres could of bid 1yr 5m, but that doesn't mean it was competitive.

And that's why they are the Pods. However, what I asked you to do is to provide proof as to why small market teams could not have provided a competitive bid. The Pods could have easily provided such a bid, had they been interested in doing so. They are not. The Padres, themselves, have stated that they have over 80 Million to spend in FA in 2014, should they want to. That is more then enough to buy a player like Tanaka if they wanted to. The problem is not that they can not afford it. The problem is that they do not want to spend it. Over the last 10 years or so, San Diego has been among the lowest payrolls in MLB.

They absolutely could afford it but they choose not to.

 

[CashMan]

And that's why they are the Pods. However, what I asked you to do is to provide proof as to why small market teams could not have provided a competitive bid. The Pods could have easily provided such a bid, had they been interested in doing so. They are not. The Padres, themselves, have stated that they have over 80 Million to spend in FA in 2014, should they want to. That is more then enough to buy a player like Tanaka if they wanted to. The problem is not that they can not afford it. The problem is that they do not want to spend it. Over the last 10 years or so, San Diego has been among the lowest payrolls in MLB.

They absolutely could afford it but they choose not to.

Show me an article or proof that any small market team, made a competitive offer to him. It would to me you are a yanks fan that can not understand why small market team can not have a payroll as big as the yanks payroll. I am not saying small market teams do not make money, but if the fan base is not there to support it, they can not sustain making a 7yr commitment with a no trade clause.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Why? Every team had a chance to sign him.

..and thankfully, most weren't stupid enough to pay that ridiculous amount.

Congrats on yet another vastly overpaid, likely mediocre player. lol