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A good balanced discussion.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-and-the-myth-of-the-replaceable-running-back

Ezekiel Elliott and the Myth of the Replaceable Running Back

There's a theory that bubbled forth from analytics circles years ago that running backs are "fungible." Fungible means easily and cheaply replaceable and essentially interchangeable. Your cellphone is not fungible, but its charger is. Tom Brady is not fungible, but the Patriots go through three or four running backs per year without worrying that none of them are Adrian Peterson.

I also bubbled forth from the analytics circles, and I always thought that the "running backs are fungible" concept took the results of the research way too far. (I secretly thought analysts just really loved writing the word fungible.)....

A quick reexamination of the evidence suggests teams were drafting too many running backs in the first round back when football analytics first became a thing. But draft strategies have changed, as have salary structures. And while many running backs are interchangeable, the truly special ones like Elliott often require a first-round investment.....

But there are still special running backs who can do things a committee cannot replicate, guys who can run like CJ2K at his peak or enter Beast Mode or just be Adrian Peterson. There may only be three or four of them in the draft every five years, but when they do arrive, they are now available at a fraction of the old Bush price. It makes no sense, analytically, economically or old-school football-wise, to pass on a player like that.

Ezekiel Elliott is one of those special players. His game film reminds me of LaDainian Tomlinson. His skill package, from power and speed and big-play ability to blocking, places him a thick notch above "interchangeable."
 
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Cowboys tried the fungiable RBBC last year. DMC had a decent season with no QB and basically no WR. But he is on the last year of his contract, and is what 29?
Morris on a 2 year deal. now that is not the reason to take a RB. However, it should be considered. Just as considering Ramsey with Carr & Mo in their last year too.

I rather have the bell cow long term, know you have a RB now and the future. Not plug and play.

Not to offend the fungo fans...but give me a solid meal over a fungo snack.
 

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Great article.

Also...

Many first-round misses of a decade ago were big, overused college backs who couldn't contribute to the passing game. T.J. Duckett caught 20 passes in two years as a college starter, but the Falcons made him the 18th pick in the 2002 draft. Dayne, a four-year starter and Heisman Trophy winner, caught just 31 passes while rushing 1,220 times in college; the Giants drafted him 11th overall in 2000 but lacked a time machine to take him back to 1977, when he would have fit an NFL offense. Biakabutuka caught a whopping 12 college passes; the Panthers selected him eighth overall in 1996.

It's genuinely shocking that these one-dimensional power rushers were waved into the first round in an era when the shotgun was becoming a base offensive set and teams were beginning to pass over 60 percent of the time. It was like buying the best eight-track tape or Betamax player on the market in the era of CDs and DVDs.

Sound like anyone in this draft?
 

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Only one pesky little tangible.

Can he do it on an NFL level.

If he's gonna be a bust, we would want that in Canton.

FTR - pencil me in for the long term NON RBBC, RB.

Yah. I'm old school.
 

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Can we archive this for RB debates? I already have it bookmarked
 

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Great article.

Also...

Many first-round misses of a decade ago were big, overused college backs who couldn't contribute to the passing game. T.J. Duckett caught 20 passes in two years as a college starter, but the Falcons made him the 18th pick in the 2002 draft. Dayne, a four-year starter and Heisman Trophy winner, caught just 31 passes while rushing 1,220 times in college; the Giants drafted him 11th overall in 2000 but lacked a time machine to take him back to 1977, when he would have fit an NFL offense. Biakabutuka caught a whopping 12 college passes; the Panthers selected him eighth overall in 1996.

It's genuinely shocking that these one-dimensional power rushers were waved into the first round in an era when the shotgun was becoming a base offensive set and teams were beginning to pass over 60 percent of the time. It was like buying the best eight-track tape or Betamax player on the market in the era of CDs and DVDs.
This is a really important point to me. I'm not interested in investing in a lead back who doesn't bring a ton of value in the passing game. That's part of the reason I opposed spending a lot on Murray. He was an okay receiver, but nothing special.
 

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This is a really important point to me. I'm not interested in investing in a lead back who doesn't bring a ton of value in the passing game. That's part of the reason I opposed spending a lot on Murray. He was an okay receiver, but nothing special.

As much as I criticize Murray, I'll defend him here.

At OU, he was a tremendous receiver. They used to run him on fly routes 30 yards downfield, and he caught the ball like a receiver. I never understood why Dallas didn't use him that way.
 

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Cowboys tried the fungiable RBBC last year. DMC had a decent season with no QB and basically no WR. But he is on the last year of his contract, and is what 29?
Morris on a 2 year deal. now that is not the reason to take a RB. However, it should be considered. Just as considering Ramsey with Carr & Mo in their last year too.

I rather have the bell cow long term, know you have a RB now and the future. Not plug and play.

Not to offend the fungo fans...but give me a solid meal over a fungo snack.

give me a week w/o hearing "bell cow" and i'll see what i can do.
 

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Fair enough.

Just find me a ringing bovine.

i know i'm being anal but i just get tired of cliches that never die. bell cow is overused and a replacement for having a decent vocabulary. to me anyway. :)

carrying / giving him the rock
player is a cancer on the team
bell cow
and anything else announcers, fans and the like just hammer the **** out of for whatever reason they hold dear.
 

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i know i'm being anal but i just get tired of cliches that never die. bell cow is overused and a replacement for having a decent vocabulary. to me anyway. :)

carrying / giving him the rock
player is a cancer on the team
bell cow
and anything else announcers, fans and the like just hammer the **** out of for whatever reason they hold dear.

I'm with you.

Somebody needs to step up
Lunch pail guy/old school
Set the tone
Take what the defense gives you
Find a team identity

In proper context, they can still be used effectively, but they are OVERUSED like crutch phrases way too much.

The sideline reporter babes are the worst. They memorize 10 phrases and use them every time all season long.
 

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i know i'm being anal but i just get tired of cliches that never die. bell cow is overused and a replacement for having a decent vocabulary. to me anyway. :)

carrying / giving him the rock
player is a cancer on the team
bell cow
and anything else announcers, fans and the like just hammer the **** out of for whatever reason they hold dear.

Ball Hawk
Playmaker
Elite
 

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i know i'm being anal but i just get tired of cliches that never die. bell cow is overused and a replacement for having a decent vocabulary. to me anyway. :)

carrying / giving him the rock
player is a cancer on the team
bell cow
and anything else announcers, fans and the like just hammer the **** out of for whatever reason they hold dear.



I don't know ice......maybe its just a way human beings have evolved to be able to communicate thoughts in a quick manner. ??
 

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I don't know ice......maybe its just a way human beings have evolved to be able to communicate thoughts in a quick manner. ??

no. they've always had catch phrases and the like to describe something / someone. and given how people look at twitter as news and only stop at the 140 characters and feel they know the whole story, not sure how this shows an advancement in thinking. :)
 

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i know i'm being anal but i just get tired of cliches that never die. bell cow is overused and a replacement for having a decent vocabulary. to me anyway. :)

carrying / giving him the rock
player is a cancer on the team
bell cow
and anything else announcers, fans and the like just hammer the **** out of for whatever reason they hold dear.

Add RKG because the term is overused .
 
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