Tar Heel Thread

[ABQCOWBOY]

And after the way this season started for both of our teams, yours bought their plane tickets first. I'll take it.

Should be interesting to see how the decisions play out for UNC's big 3...wouldn't surprise me if they all left or if they all came back. Personally, I have no idea what Zeller would be doing if he went pro, but it seems a very real possibility.

If they all come back, watch out...

I don't see Marshall (Fr.), Henson (Soph.), Bullock (Fr.) or Barnes (Fr.) leaving next year. Marshall needs to develop more outside shooting, Henson is not physically developed enough for the NBA game yet IMO, Bullock is coming off a season ending injury which is a shame because he's the defensive stopper Carolina could have used in the tournament, Barnes is going to be an excellent player but he's too inconsistent at this point, IMO. The question would be Zeller and he's really only had one season where he's uninjured. He got just over 30 games under his belt. If he comes out now, I don't think he's a top 10 pick. If he plays another season uninjured and post numbers like he did this year, I think he is.

McDonald (Soph) and Strickland (Soph) will both be back with good experience, I don't know about Drew II. He will either come back and provide depth at PG or he will move on. In any case, we will have MaAdoo and P.J. Hairston coming in next year as Freshman so I think it could be a very good year for us next year. I guess we'll see what happens.

 

[kTXe]

I don't see Marshall (Fr.), Henson (Soph.), Bullock (Fr.) or Barnes (Fr.) leaving next year. Marshall needs to develop more outside shooting, Henson is not physically developed enough for the NBA game yet IMO, Bullock is coming off a season ending injury which is a shame because he's the defensive stopper Carolina could have used in the tournament, Barnes is going to be an excellent player but he's too inconsistent at this point, IMO. The question would be Zeller and he's really only had one season where he's uninjured. He got just over 30 games under his belt. If he comes out now, I don't think he's a top 10 pick. If he plays another season uninjured and post numbers like he did this year, I think he is.

McDonald (Soph) and Strickland (Soph) will both be back with good experience, I don't know about Drew II. He will either come back and provide depth at PG or he will move on. In any case, we will have MaAdoo and P.J. Hairston coming in next year as Freshman so I think it could be a very good year for us next year. I guess we'll see what happens.

Henson and Barnes are both projected as lottery picks, and most have Barnes in the top 5. Are they ready to play in the NBA? No, but NBA teams draft almost entirely on potential. It's hard for a kid to look that money in the face and decide to stick around. Zeller needs to bulk up and showcase his mid-range game a bit more to be considered a decent NBA prospect, IMO. He should definitely come back for another year.

Oh, and Drew II is gone forever.

 

[DFWJC]

I don't see Marshall (Fr.), Henson (Soph.), Bullock (Fr.) or Barnes (Fr.) leaving next year. Marshall needs to develop more outside shooting, Henson is not physically developed enough for the NBA game yet IMO, Bullock is coming off a season ending injury which is a shame because he's the defensive stopper Carolina could have used in the tournament, Barnes is going to be an excellent player but he's too inconsistent at this point, IMO. The question would be Zeller and he's really only had one season where he's uninjured. He got just over 30 games under his belt. If he comes out now, I don't think he's a top 10 pick. If he plays another season uninjured and post numbers like he did this year, I think he is.

McDonald (Soph) and Strickland (Soph) will both be back with good experience, I don't know about Drew II. He will either come back and provide depth at PG or he will move on. In any case, we will have MaAdoo and P.J. Hairston coming in next year as Freshman so I think it could be a very good year for us next year. I guess we'll see what happens.

Barnes is a very early lottery pick. I'd love to see him stick around, but it may not happen.
Many say Henson is a lotto pick too just based on his upside. I like his odds of staying though.
Marshalll is not going anywhere.


Anyway, nice run by UNC. They can hold their heads high as they turned things back around after a very down year last season.
Regular Season ACC Champs, ACC tourney runner-up, and Elite Eight is nothing to hang your head about.

For selfish reasons, I will be hoping Kentucky does not win the title. We've been trying to close the gap on total titles (They have 7 and we have 5) and that would set us back a bit I think they just took the lead for most NCCAA tourney games won.

 

[peplaw06]

If you want to call the truth "Spin", that is up to you. If you feel I'm being overly sensitive, that's also up to you. You are entitled to your own opinion.

Spin by definition is truth. It's your particular way of looking at the truth. I say Duke won two of three head-to-head. You say, yeah but the first one was close, and we won the ACC regular season. That's spin.

And after the way this season started for both of our teams, yours bought their plane tickets first. I'll take it.

Just like I'll take beating UNC more times head-to-head. In the end that's all that matters for me, because tournament draws are so unpredictable. And after Irving went down, no Duke fan was quite as confident as they were in the first 8 games.

Should be interesting to see how the decisions play out for UNC's big 3...wouldn't surprise me if they all left or if they all came back. Personally, I have no idea what Zeller would be doing if he went pro, but it seems a very real possibility.

If they all come back, watch out...

You guys are hanging on Barnes' decision, just like we are Irving's. If one comes back and not the other, then whichever team keeps their guy will have a decided edge. If they both make the same decision, then we should be on a level playing field, depending on the incoming freshman classes.

I don't see Marshall (Fr.), Henson (Soph.), Bullock (Fr.) or Barnes (Fr.) leaving next year. Marshall needs to develop more outside shooting, Henson is not physically developed enough for the NBA game yet IMO, Bullock is coming off a season ending injury which is a shame because he's the defensive stopper Carolina could have used in the tournament, Barnes is going to be an excellent player but he's too inconsistent at this point, IMO. The question would be Zeller and he's really only had one season where he's uninjured. He got just over 30 games under his belt. If he comes out now, I don't think he's a top 10 pick. If he plays another season uninjured and post numbers like he did this year, I think he is.

McDonald (Soph) and Strickland (Soph) will both be back with good experience, I don't know about Drew II. He will either come back and provide depth at PG or he will move on. In any case, we will have MaAdoo and P.J. Hairston coming in next year as Freshman so I think it could be a very good year for us next year. I guess we'll see what happens.

I haven't heard much about UNC's incoming class. Obviously I think Austin Rivers is going to be a star. What can you tell me about your guys?

Oh, and BTW, you probably shouldn't count on Drew too much :laugh2:

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Spin by definition is truth. It's your particular way of looking at the truth. I say Duke won two of three head-to-head. You say, yeah but the first one was close, and we won the ACC regular season. That's spin.

Just like I'll take beating UNC more times head-to-head. In the end that's all that matters for me, because tournament draws are so unpredictable. And after Irving went down, no Duke fan was quite as confident as they were in the first 8 games.

You guys are hanging on Barnes' decision, just like we are Irving's. If one comes back and not the other, then whichever team keeps their guy will have a decided edge. If they both make the same decision, then we should be on a level playing field, depending on the incoming freshman classes.

I haven't heard much about UNC's incoming class. Obviously I think Austin Rivers is going to be a star. What can you tell me about your guys?

Oh, and BTW, you probably shouldn't count on Drew too much :laugh2:

Your story, you tell it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Henson and Barnes are both projected as lottery picks, and most have Barnes in the top 5. Are they ready to play in the NBA? No, but NBA teams draft almost entirely on potential. It's hard for a kid to look that money in the face and decide to stick around. Zeller needs to bulk up and showcase his mid-range game a bit more to be considered a decent NBA prospect, IMO. He should definitely come back for another year.

Oh, and Drew II is gone forever.

I would agree that Drew is probably gone but I am not the one to make that decision. That's probably one that Roy Williams will make. I believe that if Drew came back and asked for a spot back, under the right conditions, Roy Williams would probably give him a spot but I don't know for sure and at this point, he's not a guy who I see in the plans.

On Barnes and Henson, I doubt either one of them are ready for the NBA. I know they are probably ranked high but I don't believe they will leave. I guess we'll see.

 

[DFWJC]

I haven't heard much about UNC's incoming class. Obviously I think Austin Rivers is going to be a star. What can you tell me about your guys?

Both PJ Hairson and James McAdoo are elite.

McAdoo is a very strong/athletic power forward and is the 5th rated overall player in the country.

Hairson is a classic shooting guard--a real marksman--whcih is what they really lacked this year. He is the 3rd rated shooting guard in the country.

Duke's class is deeper, as all 4 are good ones--with the top-rated SG Rivers being the head-liner.
UNC hardly has any upper classmen, so it is a small class (3 players).
Rating the 7 players, I say it would be Duke,UNC,UNC, Duke,Duke,Duke, UNC

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Barnes is a very early lottery pick. I'd love to see him stick around, but it may not happen.
Many say Henson is a lotto pick too just based on his upside. I like his odds of staying though.
Marshalll is not going anywhere.


Anyway, nice run by UNC. They can hold their heads high as they turned things back around after a very down year last season.
Regular Season ACC Champs, ACC tourney runner-up, and Elite Eight is nothing to hang your head about.

For selfish reasons, I will be hoping Kentucky does not win the title. We've been trying to close the gap on total titles (They have 7 and we have 5) and that would set us back a bit I think they just took the lead for most NCCAA tourney games won.

That's tough. Three point shooting was the difference. In the first matchup, we had Bullock and I do believe he made a difference. 6-7 who can defend both low in the block and the perimeter. I would imagine that Kentucky would not have been able to shoot over the top so easily but who knows? It doesn't matter now. I congratulate Kentucky and wish them well. I hope we see them again next year.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Both PJ Hairson and James McAdoo are elite.

McAdoo is a very strong/athletic power forward and is the 5th rated overall player in the country.

Hairson is a classic shooting guard--a real marksman--whcih is what they really lacked this year. He is the 3rd rated shooting guard in the country.

Duke's class is deeper, as all 4 are good ones--with the top-rated SG Rivers being the head-liner.
UNC hardly has any upper classmen, so it is a small class (3 players).
Rating the 7 players, I say it would be uke,UNC,UNC, Duke,Duke,Duke, UNC

I think it depends on who leaves and who stays. If Carolina returns all their underclassman, then forget about it. It doesn't matter who Duke brings in. I'll also say right now that Duke will not be able to cover both Barnes and McAdoo. They are to big, too good, too strong off the bounce and they can both shoot the jumper. Duke is not bringing in anybody who can match up with either of those two players IMO. Nor do they have anybody on the squad returning who can match up. Maybe Josh Hairston, maybe, but if you play him, you give up offense and he's a terrible FT shooter. I think that's going to be a tough matchup for everybody with both those guys.


P.J. Hairston is a guy who's also going to be able to rebound and take the ball to the hole. He's a 6-5 230 lbs SG. He's going to physically impose his will on people at the 2 guard spot. It will be interesting to watch he and Rivers match up. Rivers is a 6-3 175 lb guard (at least, that's what he's listed at) who can handle the ball and shoot from all over. However, he is not a strong defensive player so I think you might end up giving something up for the offense he brings until he gets stronger.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Both PJ Hairson and James McAdoo are elite.

McAdoo is a very strong/athletic power forward and is the 5th rated overall player in the country.

Hairson is a classic shooting guard--a real marksman--whcih is what they really lacked this year. He is the 3rd rated shooting guard in the country.

Duke's class is deeper, as all 4 are good ones--with the top-rated SG Rivers being the head-liner.
UNC hardly has any upper classmen, so it is a small class (3 players).
Rating the 7 players, I say it would be Duke,UNC,UNC, Duke,Duke,Duke, UNC

If he's anything like his Dad, forgetaboutit.

 

[peplaw06]

I would agree that Drew is probably gone but I am not the one to make that decision. That's probably one that Roy Williams will make. I believe that if Drew came back and asked for a spot back, under the right conditions, Roy Williams would probably give him a spot but I don't know for sure and at this point, he's not a guy who I see in the plans.

On Barnes and Henson, I doubt either one of them are ready for the NBA. I know they are probably ranked high but I don't believe they will leave. I guess we'll see.

Drew has already transferred.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Drew has already transferred.

I had not heard that. I had heard that his intention was to transfer but I had not heard that he had already filed the paperwork and had been accepted. Probably the best thing for him. I wish him luck.

 

[DFWJC]

I would agree that Drew is probably gone but I am not the one to make that decision. That's probably one that Roy Williams will make. I believe that if Drew came back and asked for a spot back, under the right conditions, Roy Williams would probably give him a spot but I don't know for sure and at this point, he's not a guy who I see in the plans.

On Barnes and Henson, I doubt either one of them are ready for the NBA. I know they are probably ranked high but I don't believe they will leave. I guess we'll see.

So far so good!

Both Henson and Zeller are staying.

Zeller was a first team Academic All-American, so obviously a UNC degree (always ranked in the top 4-5 public universities in the country academically) to go with an NBA career are goals for him. I'm told Henson is a solid student too.

Harrison Barnes is the one I thought would be most likely to leave. Hard to blame him if he can go in the top 5, but I sure would like to see him back.

In either case, adding McAdoo and PJ Hairston to all of the returnees bodes well for next year!

 

[DFWJC]

Kyrie Irving is delcaring. hehe

I guess I shouldn't say too much as I suspect Barnes will go to. Both are lotto players.

 

[tko112204]

Lots of people saying Barnes is going to stay. That would be a strong team next year.

This draft just keeps getting worse and worse.

Perry Jones, Jared Sullinger, Barnes, Zeller, Henson all staying.

That's 4 lottery picks and probably 3 of the top 6. This draft was already gonna be weak, if Barnes stays it's just pathetic.

 

[kTXe]

And it is official...Barnes is back. Next season can't get here soon enough.

 

[DFWJC]

And it is official...Barnes is back. Next season can't get here soon enough.

:dance3:
Wahoooo
Go Heels

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Per ESPN:

North Carolina's big three will be coming back as a complete set, with freshman forward Harrison Barnes announcing Monday he would also return.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6381288

 

[DFWJC]

Per ESPN:

North Carolina's big three will be coming back as a complete set, with freshman forward Harrison Barnes announcing Monday he would also return.


http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6381288

I'm psyched!

But Williams is going to have a real balancing act coming up.

The guys are really going to have to put their egos aside.

I recall when UNC won the title in '93. The next year they had a bunch of guys returning but also had freshman Stackhouse and Wallace coming in. It was a problem figuring out playing time and they underachieved.

 

[kTXe]

Knight, Jones, and Liggins from Kentucky are all entering the draft. UK is our biggest competition next year, IMO, so this is huge. The stars are aligning...