Tashard Choice

[adzrne7]

I re watched the Steelers, Giants, and the Ravens game; and the thing I noticed about him right off the bat was how he always gained positive yards. He never danced and lost yardage against the best the NFL had to offer in terms of run defense. With Barber you get a lot more negative plays, you don't get the consistency that Choice gives you.

I honestly think Choice could be a very good NFL starter. Let me say I'm not hating on Barber, just giving my impressions on Choice.

 

[TwentyOne]

I re watched the Steelers, Giants, and the Ravens game; and the thing I noticed about him right off the bat was how he always gained positive yards. He never danced and lost yardage against the best the NFL had to offer in terms of run defense. With Barber you get a lot more negative plays, you don't get the consistency that Choice gives you.

I honestly think Choice could be a very good NFL starter. Let me say I'm not hating on Barber, just giving my impressions on Choice.

From what i have seen i's say it will be difficult for coaches to decide which player to sit: Barber or Choice. Choice is a Diamond we found. And i hope the coaches will realize that and not bow before the big contract Barber got.

In my opinion most of us fell in love more with Barbers punishing running style rather then with his abilities as a back. He for sure is a good one and i love his style also but i think Choice can be so much better. He looks like one who can really carry a team. I don't want to use the name Emmitt but maybe because of his size he reminds me a bit of him.

I am really looking forward to see how Garrett will use all of our 3 backs.

 

[yentl911]

Not only did TC play great when given the chance last year, he did so against some of the best defenses in the NFL. I am one that thinks he should start and they should bring Barber in late in the game as the hammer. I knwo this has been discussed here on this site with various opinions.

This kid is going to make Barber expendable IMO....and I love barber. He is one of my favorite players. But this kid Choice has a chance to be special.

We have a problem most teams would love to have - three really good, and possibly great, running backs.

I can't wait to see how Garrett gets them into the action. They all deserve playing time for sure and they all bring a little something different to the position. TC is the most well rounded IMO - has good speed, is tough, has really good hands, is a good blocker, etc....

 

[Bleu Star]

I re watched the Steelers, Giants, and the Ravens game; and the thing I noticed about him right off the bat was how he always gained positive yards. He never danced and lost yardage against the best the NFL had to offer in terms of run defense. With Barber you get a lot more negative plays, you don't get the consistency that Choice gives you.

I honestly think Choice could be a very good NFL starter. Let me say I'm not hating on Barber, just giving my impressions on Choice.

Indeed. Choice is special. I've been on the bandwagon for awhile now. You'll all come around eventually. I'll save you some room.

 

[rathalarge]

Barber gets negative plays because the O-line blocks poorly, especially early in the game...imo.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Barber gets negative plays because the O-line blocks poorly, especially early in the game...imo.

then so would Choice be getting bad blocking by oline as well, right?

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

Barber gets negative plays because the O-line blocks poorly, especially early in the game...imo.

They don't change the O-line for Choice.

I am one of the ones that think it should be Choice starting with Barber coming in to "hammer" like he has always excelled at.

Could you imagine the thought of defenses if they should ever see the Cowboys in a two TE set with Barber and Choice in the backfield and Felix in the slot!!!!

 

[CF74]

I re watched the Steelers, Giants, and the Ravens game; and the thing I noticed about him right off the bat was how he always gained positive yards. He never danced and lost yardage against the best the NFL had to offer in terms of run defense. With Barber you get a lot more negative plays, you don't get the consistency that Choice gives you.

I honestly think Choice could be a very good NFL starter. Let me say I'm not hating on Barber, just giving my impressions on Choice.

This seems to be everybody's stance that likes Choice including mine. Unfortunately I believe the coaches are going to make him wait ala Tiki Barber. Tiki had to wait for somebody to go down before he finally got his chance, not hoping Barber ever goes down but it may take another full season of mediocre results before Barber gets moved back to his true spot, closer...

 

[casmith07]

I love Marion Barber but I can't help but get images of Eddie George when I think about him. I really think that Barber has only 2 maybe 3 good seasons left in him.

 

[dadymat]

This reminds me of the julius jones and barber discussions two years ago

 

[cowboyfan4life_mark]

This reminds me of the julius jones and barber discussions two years ago

Why? Jones sucked.

I think that it is a good thing for the Cowboys to have RBs that we can have a discussion like this. Not because one sucks but for some reason he remained the starter.

 

[Bluefin]

Barber gets negative plays because the O-line blocks poorly, especially early in the game...imo.

Marion Barber had 127 first half carries last season for 486 yards, a 3.8 yard average and 5 touchdowns.

What's surprising is MB3's numbers all dropped in the second half of games when you'd expect them to spike up. Barber had 111 carries for 399 yards, a 3.6 yard average and 2 touchdowns following halftime.

The Barbarian got the majority of his carries in the first quarter, in '07 he got the majority in the fourth quarter in the Closer role.

MB3 had 10 games in which he logged 15 or more carries before getting only 13 carries the entire month of December while dealing with an injury.

What about Tashard Choice?

T Sizzle had 32 first half carries last season for 125 yards, a 3.9 yard average and 1 touchdown.

Choice's production went up in the second half of games, he had 60 carries for 347 yards, a 5.8 yard average and 1 touchdown. Choice had 40 fourth quarter carries, the highest he had in any other quarter was 20.

There were 6 games at the start of the season Choice didn't log a single carry in and he had only 2 games where he eclipsed 15 totes all year.

Choice was very fresh at season's end, defenses had little to no tape on him and they weren't concerning themselves with the run much due to our pass happy tendencies.

That doesn't tarnish how effective Choice was against the Steelers (23 for 88 yards, 3.8 avg), I believe we would've won that game if he had been given 30+ carries.

What it shows is the one time Choice was given lead back carries, his average came down. The only game it was worse was a 6 carry effort against the Niners for 18 yards and a 3.0 average.

Barber had 4 games where he had lead back carries (20+), he totaled 100 carries for 411 yards and a 4.1 yard average in those contests.

Will we even see a back get 20+ carries in a game this season?

It might be tough to do so.

Just keep alternating them, use the Barbarian in the red zone (36 TDs in 4 yrs) and hopefully get to the fourth quarter with the lead so the Closer can bleed the clock.

 

[rathalarge]

Marion Barber had 127 first half carries last season for 486 yards, a 3.8 yard average and 5 touchdowns.

What's surprising is MB3's numbers all dropped in the second half of games when you'd expect them to spike up. Barber had 111 carries for 399 yards, a 3.6 yard average and 2 touchdowns following halftime.

The Barbarian got the majority of his carries in the first quarter, in '07 he got the majority in the fourth quarter in the Closer role.

MB3 had 10 games in which he logged 15 or more carries before getting only 13 carries the entire month of December while dealing with an injury.

What about Tashard Choice?

T Sizzle had 32 first half carries last season for 125 yards, a 3.9 yard average and 1 touchdown.

Choice's production went up in the second half of games, he had 60 carries for 347 yards, a 5.8 yard average and 1 touchdown. Choice had 40 fourth quarter carries, the highest he had in any other quarter was 20.

There were 6 games at the start of the season Choice didn't log a single carry in and he had only 2 games where he eclipsed 15 totes all year.

Choice was very fresh at season's end, defenses had little to no tape on him and they weren't concerning themselves with the run much due to our pass happy tendencies.

That doesn't tarnish how effective Choice was against the Steelers (23 for 88 yards, 3.8 avg), I believe we would've won that game if he had been given 30+ carries.

What it shows is the one time Choice was given lead back carries, his average came down. The only game it was worse was a 6 carry effort against the Niners for 18 yards and a 3.0 average.

Barber had 4 games where he had lead back carries (20+), he totaled 100 carries for 411 yards and a 4.1 yard average in those contests.

Will we even see a back get 20+ carries in a game this season?

It might be tough to do so.

Just keep alternating them, use the Barbarian in the red zone (36 TDs in 4 yrs) and hopefully get to the fourth quarter with the lead so the Closer can bleed the clock.

Good stuff, Bluefin

 

[Baileyneverfailey]

If we were going to be starting anybody but Barber, it's going to be Felix Jones. Choice is going to see some action, whether to give Barber a rest, or because of injury, but he's not going to be the starter in my opinion.

This is coming from somebody who thinks Choice has a real chance to be a quality NFL starter, but I don't see it happening this year.

 

[Bluefin]

I love Marion Barber but I can't help but get images of Eddie George when I think about him. I really think that Barber has only 2 maybe 3 good seasons left in him.

Eddie George was a plodding war horse.

George averaged 341 carries per season during his eight year run with the Tennessee Titans and his high water mark average was 4.1 per carry in '96 and '99. George averaged over 20 attempts per game for his career.

Marion Barber's highest carry total so far is 238 last season and he's unlikely to ever eclipse 250 totes in a single season. MB3 currently is averaging 11.9 attempts per game for his career.

We can effectively manage the Barbarian's touches with the availability of Felix Jones and Tashard Choice to share carries.

 

[EPL0c0]

I re watched the Steelers, Giants, and the Ravens game; and the thing I noticed about him right off the bat was how he always gained positive yards. He never danced and lost yardage against the best the NFL had to offer in terms of run defense. With Barber you get a lot more negative plays, you don't get the consistency that Choice gives you.

I honestly think Choice could be a very good NFL starter. Let me say I'm not hating on Barber, just giving my impressions on Choice.

I'm with you... he seems like he could be a complete RB. It almost sucks to have 3 really talented RBs back there b/c you wanna see each one as much as possible but ..well its not possible haha.

Garrett needs to keep a good rotation though so they all get work but limit how much they get banged up. I think Dallas could have the potential of heading into December/january with a very different (and healthy) running game that they can lean on (and take pressure off of Romo)

 

[Jimz31]

Marion Barber had 127 first half carries last season for 486 yards, a 3.8 yard average and 5 touchdowns.

What's surprising is MB3's numbers all dropped in the second half of games when you'd expect them to spike up. Barber had 111 carries for 399 yards, a 3.6 yard average and 2 touchdowns following halftime.

The Barbarian got the majority of his carries in the first quarter, in '07 he got the majority in the fourth quarter in the Closer role.

MB3 had 10 games in which he logged 15 or more carries before getting only 13 carries the entire month of December while dealing with an injury.

What about Tashard Choice?

T Sizzle had 32 first half carries last season for 125 yards, a 3.9 yard average and 1 touchdown.

Choice's production went up in the second half of games, he had 60 carries for 347 yards, a 5.8 yard average and 1 touchdown. Choice had 40 fourth quarter carries, the highest he had in any other quarter was 20.

There were 6 games at the start of the season Choice didn't log a single carry in and he had only 2 games where he eclipsed 15 totes all year.

Choice was very fresh at season's end, defenses had little to no tape on him and they weren't concerning themselves with the run much due to our pass happy tendencies.

That doesn't tarnish how effective Choice was against the Steelers (23 for 88 yards, 3.8 avg), I believe we would've won that game if he had been given 30+ carries.

What it shows is the one time Choice was given lead back carries, his average came down. The only game it was worse was a 6 carry effort against the Niners for 18 yards and a 3.0 average.

Barber had 4 games where he had lead back carries (20+), he totaled 100 carries for 411 yards and a 4.1 yard average in those contests.

Will we even see a back get 20+ carries in a game this season?

It might be tough to do so.

Just keep alternating them, use the Barbarian in the red zone (36 TDs in 4 yrs) and hopefully get to the fourth quarter with the lead so the Closer can bleed the clock.

Seeing it this way, who is the more "punishing" back? To me, a punishing back is one who hurts you the most in terms of gaining yardage. Sorry, but a two yard run is a two yard run no matter how it was gained.

While I like Barber, I just think right now he's the #3 back on this team. It'll just take a while for the coaches to realize it.

Not bashing on Barber, so don't even go there. Like I said, I like the guy....he runs like a beast. Sometimes that's fun to see....but I like fluidity....like Dorsett or ES. I wasn't a huge Csonka fan either.....

 

[DallasEast]

I re watched the Steelers, Giants, and the Ravens game; and the thing I noticed about him right off the bat was how he always gained positive yards. He never danced and lost yardage against the best the NFL had to offer in terms of run defense. With Barber you get a lot more negative plays, you don't get the consistency that Choice gives you.

I honestly think Choice could be a very good NFL starter. Let me say I'm not hating on Barber, just giving my impressions on Choice.

EDIT: Touchdowns were not counted as Positive Gains and/or 1st Down Conversions since those are givens.

Complete Tashard Choice career rushing situations per Down & Distance:
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Complete Marion Barber career rushing situations per Down & Distance:
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[UnoDallas]

I re watched the Steelers, Giants, and the Ravens game; and the thing I noticed about him right off the bat was how he always gained positive yards. He never danced and lost yardage against the best the NFL had to offer in terms of run defense. With Barber you get a lot more negative plays, you don't get the consistency that Choice gives you.

I honestly think Choice could be a very good NFL starter. Let me say I'm not hating on Barber, just giving my impressions on Choice.

first off was he rested yes he was - three games you already have Choice being the starter

I just wish Jerry had not spent all that money on MBIII

hes getting the money so start him until he drops