TE is a bigger need then many realize!

[Aven8]

Nope. Fergs and Hendershot are the future. We have three with the Michigan TE as well. Moore used them sparingly and it was ridiculous

 

[locked&loaded]

Watched some TE tape tonight.

Dalton Kincaid is a flat-out stud. He is an unbelievably fluid mover and is truly a TE that runs like a WR. On top of that, he is smart and knows how to pick holes in zones, and just plucks the ball easily with natural hands. He kind of sucks as a blocker, but you're not drafting him to block. Kincaid is basically the spread offense "big slot" WR that was really en vogue last decade, and frankly, he looks a lot like Mark Andrews. Dude is a first rounder all day. I doubt he breaks the top 15 due to positional value, but he shouldn't last long after that.

Darnell Washington offers legitimate sixth OL level blocking. Georgia pulled him like crazy and he just annihilated people. If he goes to the 49ers and their extreme pull-heavy run scheme, they will win 10 Super Bowls and I am being dead serious. His receiving game is pretty basic, and his offense doesn't ask him to do much besides just run to the end zone and be 6'7" 270. But he moves well enough to make me think he could catch a few balls in the pros.

Washington is a rare talent at TE. Few college guys come into the league ready to block, even fewer of them are 270 lbs, and even fewer of them can run well. He is worth a 1st round pick to the right offense.

I'm going to withhold judgement on Michael Mayer for now. I watched 3 tapes of his: vs Ohio State, USC, and Virginia. The OSU tape was pretty rough... I was coming off of Kincaid's film, and Mayer looked like he was running in cement by comparison. He pretty much caught nothing but dumpoffs and looks really mediocre as a run blocker. But in the other two cutups, he straight-up looked a step faster and was bodying dudes in line. Then I noticed that both tapes were both from 2021.

I will say, that Mayer's volume stat line looks near identical to Kincaid's, and he put up big numbers 2 years in a row. So I am guessing the talent he showed last season didn't go away.

Definitely agree that if you watch mayer and kincaid, Mayer really suffers in comparison.

a lot of questions with washington, but his floor as a blocker makes him a starter in this league which is hard to guarantee in any draft. he looks like a swing tackle and could probably play one if tightend doesnt workout and hes committed to change.

all that being said, people are enamored with the pitts type of tightends these days. but i say if you want a wr type, draft a wr. tightends need to be able to block so on 3rd and 2 they can be on the field for a run or pass.

 

[cnuball21]

Watched some TE tape tonight.

Dalton Kincaid is a flat-out stud. He is an unbelievably fluid mover and is truly a TE that runs like a WR. On top of that, he is smart and knows how to pick holes in zones, and just plucks the ball easily with natural hands. He kind of sucks as a blocker, but you're not drafting him to block. Kincaid is basically the spread offense "big slot" WR that was really en vogue last decade, and frankly, he looks a lot like Mark Andrews. Dude is a first rounder all day. I doubt he breaks the top 15 due to positional value, but he shouldn't last long after that.

Darnell Washington offers legitimate sixth OL level blocking. Georgia pulled him like crazy and he just annihilated people. If he goes to the 49ers and their extreme pull-heavy run scheme, they will win 10 Super Bowls and I am being dead serious. His receiving game is pretty basic, and his offense doesn't ask him to do much besides just run to the end zone and be 6'7" 270. But he moves well enough to make me think he could catch a few balls in the pros.

Washington is a rare talent at TE. Few college guys come into the league ready to block, even fewer of them are 270 lbs, and even fewer of them can run well. He is worth a 1st round pick to the right offense.

I'm going to withhold judgement on Michael Mayer for now. I watched 3 tapes of his: vs Ohio State, USC, and Virginia. The OSU tape was pretty rough... I was coming off of Kincaid's film, and Mayer looked like he was running in cement by comparison. He pretty much caught nothing but dumpoffs and looks really mediocre as a run blocker. But in the other two cutups, he straight-up looked a step faster and was bodying dudes in line. Then I noticed that both tapes were both from 2021.

I will say, that Mayer's volume stat line looks near identical to Kincaid's, and he put up big numbers 2 years in a row. So I am guessing the talent he showed last season didn't go away.

Agree for the most part.

I just view TE as a fairly low value position. Only way I’m taking a dude in the 1st is if he’s in the Pitts type mold.

I wouldn’t touch anyone in this class in the 1st. I like Mayer - but also think he’s overrated in the top 20 love he’s getting in the mocks. He looks like a 4.75ish guy.

 

[exciter]

Still at 10 million a season, that's way too high for an average TE, which I think Shultz is. Think Ferguson can be as good with some development and is a better blocker, but I want to add a better weapon then an average player here.

Eh, I would think most GMs would view Shultz as quite a bit more talented than just average. He’s just below the players mentioned in both ability and production. Ferguson is a number #2 TE in a 12 personnel base. He has a very limited ceiling as a receiver. Going into the season, especially with a TE dependent QB like Dak with Ferguson as I he primary receiving TE is asking for disaster. It’s you either resign Shultz or you draft high at the position CB or you pay an actual average FA player like Hirst close to the same money!

 

[Cowboyny]

Eh, I would think most GMs would view Shultz as quite a bit more talented than just average. He’s just below the players mentioned in both ability and production. Ferguson is a number #2 TE in a 12 personnel base. He has a very limited ceiling as a receiver. Going into the season, especially with a TE dependent QB like Dak with Ferguson as I he primary receiving TE is asking for disaster. It’s you either resign Shultz or you draft high at the position CB or you pay an actual average FA player like Hirst close to the same money!

I don't view Shultz as above average, he was a high volume target player on this team cause they had nobody other then Lamb. He also is considered an average to below average inline blocker, which was suppose to be his strength when he was drafted. Think all the top 5 TE prospects in this year's class offer a bigger upside at a much cheaper rate. Certainly the team could add a bridge veteran starter to allow development time, but paying Shultz 10 million a season would be a mistake.

 

[Cowboyny]

What I have noticed this early on doing these mock simulators, if you want a top 5 TE, probably have to draft one by our 2nd rd selection.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Eh, I would think most GMs would view Shultz as quite a bit more talented than just average. He’s just below the players mentioned in both ability and production. Ferguson is a number #2 TE in a 12 personnel base. He has a very limited ceiling as a receiver. Going into the season, especially with a TE dependent QB like Dak with Ferguson as I he primary receiving TE is asking for disaster. It’s you either resign Shultz or you draft high at the position CB or you pay an actual average FA player like Hirst close to the same money!

No doubt Schultz has value. He's a credible blocker, he's a credible receiver, and he's put up good stats 3 years in a row so he's a proven quantity. The question is, what do you pay for a vet TE who does everything OK but doesn't do anything at a difference-maker level.

Just spitballing, I'd pay about $8M annually for that guy. My guess is that Schultz is going to earn almost double that.

 

[AsthmaField]

Want to play bully ball? Washington is your guy. He blocks like an OT on the move and DB’s hate trying to tackle that dude.

Everything about him makes your offense more physical.

 

[Cowboyny]

Want to play bully ball? Washington is your guy. He blocks like an OT on the move and DB’s hate trying to tackle that dude.

Everything about him makes your offense more physical.

He definitely would help the team's run game day 1, him and Ferguson would make a great 12 personnel lineup.

 

[AsthmaField]

He definitely would help the team's run game day 1, him and Ferguson would make a great 12 personnel lineup.

Yep. He can catch the ball okay too as a change up. When he gets the ball in the secondary, you can almost hear the DB’s say, “Oh ****!”

 

[Cowboyny]

Yep. He can catch the ball okay too as a change up. When he gets the ball in the secondary, you can almost hear the DB’s say, “Oh ****!”

He reminds me of Mercedes Lewis from the Packers, excellent inline blocker and red zone threat. Not sure if he will develop into much as a receiver, which hurts his value. I'm not sure if he's a sure fire 1st rd player at this point.

 

[AsthmaField]

He reminds me of Mercedes Lewis from the Packers, excellent inline blocker and red zone threat. Not sure if he will develop into much as a receiver, which hurts his value. I'm not sure if he's a sure fire 1st rd player at this point.

I think there is a good chance he makes it into the second round.

 

[Cowboyny]

I think there is a good chance he makes it into the second round.

I agree, as this league is now more of a passing league. Think there is a chance he is 4th or 5th TE drafted in this loaded class.

 

[AsthmaField]

I agree, as this league is now more of a passing league. Think there is a chance he is 4th or 5th TE drafted in this loaded class.

He’s got value though… particularly in Dallas where they’re trying hard to establish a dominant ground game.

I don’t see why he wouldn’t at least be average catching the ball. He’s a good athlete.

 

[Cowboyny]

He’s got value though… particularly in Dallas where they’re trying hard to establish a dominant ground game.

I don’t see why he wouldn’t at least be average catching the ball. He’s a good athlete.

I believe he could be similar to Marty B, without the immaturity. Remember, he was excellent as an inline blocker and average as a receiver.

 

[AsthmaField]

I believe he could be similar to Marty B, without the immaturity. Remember, he was excellent as an inline blocker and average as a receiver.

Yeah… and he went in round 2.

 

[exciter]

I don't view Shultz as above average, he was a high volume target player on this team cause they had nobody other then Lamb. He also is considered an average to below average inline blocker, which was suppose to be his strength when he was drafted. Think all the top 5 TE prospects in this year's class offer a bigger upside at a much cheaper rate. Certainly the team could add a bridge veteran starter to allow development time, but paying Shultz 10 million a season would be a mistake.

Nonsense! He’s not as dynamic as Kelce/Kittle etc but he’s well above average. Considering it usually takes TEs a year or 2 to develop and our QB seems to be dependent on the TE finding soft spots in the zone, not paying him runs the high risk of being disastrous. There’s not a lot of holes left keeping this roster from being able to seriously compete… not the time to be cheap and create another one!

 

[Cowboyny]

Nonsense! He’s not as dynamic as Kelce/Kittle etc but he’s well above average. Considering it usually takes TEs a year or 2 to develop and our QB seems to be dependent on the TE finding soft spots in the zone, not paying him runs the high risk of being disastrous. There’s not a lot of holes left keeping this roster from being able to seriously compete… not the time to be cheap and create another one!

Agree to disagree, but I wouldn't pay Shultz over 10 million.

 

[J-man]

First off, I recently read that PFF projected Shultz to get 14.5 annually on the open market, if that's the case he has played his last game with the team. Shultz was Dak's security blanket and had a productive season, but if he's the team's #2 passing option we are in trouble. Reading the tea leaves, the Cowboys really want to fix their run game this offseason, having a strong TE is necessary, as he will be seeing a lot of passes off playaction and be expected to block in-line. Ferguson is similar to Shultz, although a better blocker, the depth behind him is unproven.

It wouldn't surprise me to see a high TE drafted, even as high as rd 1. All the scouting experts, claim this is an excellent draft for the position:

-Michael Mayer Notre Dame-elite option and a run to the podium prospect.
-Darnell Washington Georgia-similar Mercedes Lewis/Marty B, better blocker then a receiver
-Dalton Kincaid Utah-more of a oversized receiver, but very good in that department
-Luke Mustgrave Oregon State-highly athletic prospect
-Sam LaPorta Iowa-comes from a university known for producing high-level TE prospects

There are several more.

I agree with most of your posts, but I kind of disagree here. I don't see any way they draft a TE early this year. Even though it's a good draft for them, we just have other holes that are needing filled far more. I could see one being drafted, like rd 4 or later, but not before. If the board falls right, drafting another one in the early-mid rds isn't out of the question, but IMHO it isn't a priority either.

Yes Dalton is all but gone, but there is a reason they signed 2 TE's last season. Those guys are both good, and Sean McK isn't a slouch either.
I believe that JFerg has all the tools to become a great all around TE. He reminds me a lot of Witten. Nothing flashy, just solid across the board.
Hendershot is nasty and a tone setter. He blocks/plays angry. He can make great catches and punish the tacklers. He's a good back up.
McKeon can do it all, just not as well as Ferg. He's great depth.

 

[Cowboyny]

I agree with most of your posts, but I kind of disagree here. I don't see any way they draft a TE early this year. Even though it's a good draft for them, we just have other holes that are needing filled far more. I could see one being drafted, like rd 4 or later, but not before. If the board falls right, drafting another one in the early-mid rds isn't out of the question, but IMHO it isn't a priority either.

Yes Dalton is all but gone, but there is a reason they signed 2 TE's last season. Those guys are both good, and Sean McK isn't a slouch either.
I believe that JFerg has all the tools to become a great all around TE. He reminds me a lot of Witten. Nothing flashy, just solid across the board.
Hendershot is nasty and a tone setter. He blocks/plays angry. He can make great catches and punish the tacklers. He's a good back up.
McKeon can do it all, just not as well as Ferg. He's great depth.

That's the think, they may see Ferguson as a poor man's Shultz at 1/3 of the cost. Did show flashes as a receiver and was great inline. They could sign a low cost, bridge fa to solidify the position.