Vital to implement TE Jake Ferguson back into this offense

[thunderpimp91]

Schoonmaker is a dime a dozen player.

Solid player but waste of a 2nd rounder.

There is 20 of him in free agency every year.

Pretty much... Its not that Schoon is an awful player, but through two seasons 36 catches for 313 yards is production you can find from budget FAs.

 

[Reid1boys]

Have a strong feeling we might be sleeping on schoonmaker. I think he has the tools to be slightly better than Dalton Schultz. Better blocker. Ferguson might be more of a question mark.I also feel Ford is still trying to find his niche. What is he and what can he be? Same with All our tightends. We don't seem to have a known commodity yet. This leaves the door wide open for the 2 udfas to sneak into the roster.

and why exactly do you view Ferguson as a question mark?

 

[Chasing6]

Pretty much... Its not that Schoon is an awful player, but through two seasons 36 catches for 313 yards is production you can find from budget FAs.

He is not getting opportunities as a second tight end. So it is really hard to tell either way. When he started in place of Ferguson he played well.

 

[thunderpimp91]

He is not getting opportunities as a second tight end. So it is really hard to tell either way. When he started in place of Ferguson he played well.

He is though....The Cowboys use 2TE sets about as much as anyone the last couple of years.

In his two years in the league Schoon has:

799 offensive snaps (24 snaps per game avg)
379 passing snaps
295 routes ran
*115 of those ran from the slot
*28 of those ran from out wide
49 targets
36 catches
313 yards
3 TDs

The playing time he has received, roughly 400 snaps a season isnt bad at all for a 2nd TE on the depth chart. The overall production is just bad. He did move into lower end starter territory this past season with 241 yards on 179 routes ran....1.35Y/RR was good for 23rd in the league last year among TEs.

 

[gtb1943]

He is though....The Cowboys use 2TE sets about as much as anyone the last couple of years.

In his two years in the league Schoon has:

799 offensive snaps (24 snaps per game avg)
379 passing snaps
295 routes ran
*115 of those ran from the slot
*28 of those ran from out wide
49 targets
36 catches
313 yards
3 TDs

The playing time he has received, roughly 400 snaps a season isnt bad at all for a 2nd TE on the depth chart. The overall production is just bad. He did move into lower end starter territory this past season with 241 yards on 179 routes ran....1.35Y/RR was good for 23rd in the league last year among TEs.

Right now his ceiling appears to be as a good #2 TE

 

[Chasing6]

He is though....The Cowboys use 2TE sets about as much as anyone the last couple of years.

In his two years in the league Schoon has:

799 offensive snaps (24 snaps per game avg)
379 passing snaps
295 routes ran
*115 of those ran from the slot
*28 of those ran from out wide
49 targets
36 catches
313 yards
3 TDs

The playing time he has received, roughly 400 snaps a season isnt bad at all for a 2nd TE on the depth chart. The overall production is just bad. He did move into lower end starter territory this past season with 241 yards on 179 routes ran....1.35Y/RR was good for 23rd in the league last year among TEs.

73.5% completion percentage is outstanding.

Being on the field and running routes does not mean the play is designed for him. He can be the 3rd to 5th option.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Right now his ceiling appears to be as a good #2 TE

Seems pretty accurate. High end TE2, low end TE1 type.

 

[thunderpimp91]

73.5% completion percentage is outstanding.

Being on the field and running routes does not mean the play is designed for him. He can be the 3rd to 5th option.

His completion percentage is very good, thats certainly his strength.

Of course plays are not designed for Luke Schoonmaker often....the guy is not a good enough player to have plays designed to get him the football, that's the whole point. 3.7 YAC per catch tells us he isnt doing much after catches. ADOT of 6.3 yards is pretty mid.

All his numbers pretty much show that he is right in line with guy slike JaTavion Sanders, Noah Gray, Colby Parkinson, Tommy Tremble, Michael Mayer, etc. Give him more reps and he might be a Pat Freiermuth type. Nothing wrong with that, but as was said earlier in this thread its just a type of player that you an find pretty easily. I like Schoon, decent player, but give the Cowboys a redo and they certainly arent picking him in the 2nd round again.

 

[Pass2Run]

His completion percentage is very good, thats certainly his strength.

Of course plays are not designed for Luke Schoonmaker often....the guy is not a good enough player to have plays designed to get him the football, that's the whole point. 3.7 YAC per catch tells us he isnt doing much after catches. ADOT of 6.3 yards is pretty mid.

All his numbers pretty much show that he is right in line with guy slike JaTavion Sanders, Noah Gray, Colby Parkinson, Tommy Tremble, Michael Mayer, etc. Give him more reps and he might be a Pat Freiermuth type. Nothing wrong with that, but as was said earlier in this thread its just a type of player that you an find pretty easily. I like Schoon, decent player, but give the Cowboys a redo and they certainly arent picking him in the 2nd round again.

Same for his teammate, although I haven't lost all hope for Mazi.

 

[Rockport]

As a 4th round pick rookie, Jake Ferguson flashed athleticism and big play run after catch skills (the patent leap frog jump plays)

- In 2023, he was clearly gaining a rapport with Dak Prescott, ( and it's only with Dak ) ..do i think Fergy will/could be a stand out. Based off those promising flashes i thought Fergy could eventually be a Pro Bowl TE.

- With Cooper Rush subbing for an injured Dak, McCarthy's under-utlizing him, and a wicked concussion in week 11, that could've had that much more ill effect on him, Ferguson really took a major step back in '24.
Zero TDs in 2024, isn't a ringing endorsement.

- Oddly, even after his promising, display rookie year it was wide spread that the rumor the Cowboys were looking for a new starting TE ..thus the whispering rumors of draft interest in TEs Dalton Kincaid,(Bills) ..and Sam Laporta (Lions) ..before settling on drafting 2nd rd. bust TE Luke Schoonmaker..

- To this day, That Luke pick still burns at me.
But to me, it is vital to implement Ferguson back into this offense. With Opposing defenses having to defend and focus on both Lamb & Pickens, things should open up opportunity for Fergy in 2025.

I want Fergy on the team. Why? His attitude. He gets under the skin of the opposing players. He’s from Wisconsin and hates the Packers. Also, he’s pretty damn good.

 

[Hoofbite]

Not from what I saw last year. And the reports of him gaining more weight after it seemed he lost some of his athletic ability isn’t gonna help.

But more importantly….Luke is a second round pick. We keep giving Ferg the benefit of the doubt based on what he looked like over a season ago.

I don’t think Ferg gets cut but so I see guys like Spann Ford and Luke getting more snaps? I certainly do.

You say "over a season ago" as though he didn't miss time due to injury in 2024 and didn't play half the season with Rush as his QB. For what it's worth, Ferguson was better in 2024 as well so it's not a big leap to think the better player over the last 2 seasons will continue to be the better player. The next time Schoonmaker has a season like Ferguson's 2024, it'll be the first.

Lol, I'm almost inclined to think half the negative commentary on Ferguson is actually intended for Hendershot even though he was traded last year.

 

[plasticman]

Our TEs are Jake and Luke.

Where did these guys come from, a "Dukes of Hazard" rerun?

I guess the Cowboys exceeded their "Tyler" quota.

 

[conner01]

Not to derail your thread, but he isn't a bust.

Agree. Solid blocker and nice target

 

[conner01]

If Cowboys value and want to keep Ferguson ,..they will re-sign him..
If they don't value him as one of the better TEs in the NFL, then they will let him walk and draft a TE high ...

Can’t pay them all and TE seems to be a position they are confident they can churn. Hopefully Ferg has a great year so we get a comp when they let him walk. I like Ferg, I like the fire he brings, second effort and a leader. But don’t see them paying him with Micah, bland, smith still needing deals and after Dak and lamb extended

 

[conner01]

Are you out of your mind?

Ferguson has been - and barring a miracle by Luke or injury to Ferguson will continue to be - the much better player.

Ferg I really like. But think of the economics. We’ve signed Dak and lamb and we have smith, bland and Micah. Just don’t see them signing Ferg. Not because of the talent but the money

 

[Chasing6]

His completion percentage is very good, thats certainly his strength.

Of course plays are not designed for Luke Schoonmaker often....the guy is not a good enough player to have plays designed to get him the football, that's the whole point. 3.7 YAC per catch tells us he isnt doing much after catches. ADOT of 6.3 yards is pretty mid.

All his numbers pretty much show that he is right in line with guy slike JaTavion Sanders, Noah Gray, Colby Parkinson, Tommy Tremble, Michael Mayer, etc. Give him more reps and he might be a Pat Freiermuth type. Nothing wrong with that, but as was said earlier in this thread its just a type of player that you a find pretty easily. I like Schoon, decent player, but give the Cowboys a redo and they certainly arent picking him in the 2nd round again.

Well averaging 73% completion at just under 10 yards is pretty damn good.

Jarwin was a basically a nobody, and Schultz had to wait until he got hurt, to prove what he could do.

Sometimes you just need opportunity.

Kurt Warner was trash, until he became the starting QB.

 

[mattjames2010]

JAG

 

[quickccc]

Well averaging 73% completion at just under 10 yards is pretty damn good.

Jarwin was a basically a nobody, and Schultz had to wait until he got hurt, to prove what he could do.

Sometimes you just need opportunity.

Kurt Warner was trash, until he became the starting QB.

I thought Schultz had to wait until we were finally rid of a mummy slow Jason Witten who the Garrett regime wanted to keep on, despite his clear obvious decline .

Dunno if it was finally the front office slap waking up.. or a hired on McCarthy convinced that front office that Witten was clearly done that allowed us to move on to greener pastures. .

As I reckoned, club immediately drafted Schultz in a quick fix 4th round panic move from a suddenly retired Witten to the broadcast booth (b4 he miserably failed at that, and un-retired back to the cowboys again)

 

[Chasing6]

I thought Schultz had to wait until we were finally rid of a mummy slow Jason Witten who the Garrett regime wanted to keep on, despite his clear obvious decline .

Dunno if it was finally the front office slap waking up.. or a hired on McCarthy convinced that front office that Witten was clearly done that allowed us to move on to greener pastures. .

As I reckoned, club immediately drafted Schultz in a quick fix 4th round panic move from a suddenly retired Witten to the broadcast booth (b4 he miserably failed at that, and un-retired back to the cowboys again)

After Witten, Jarwin got a nice new contract as the new starting TE. Then he got hurt and Schultz was discovered out of thin air.

 

[Rayman70]

and why exactly do you view Ferguson as a question mark?

He hasn't been very good. He fell off.