Team Injuries

[Point-of-the-Star]

OK, I get it. The draft is coming up. We're bored especially after the "Pay the QB/ Dak's a bum" winter we all endured (which I tried with all my heart to avoid) has come to a minor interruption (for most).

Now that the crust of the draft is upon us there's other sideline drama queen (or drama king) snipets and threads all the time.

So here's a question or scenario situation to consider throughout modern pro football history: "How many players, off of all 32 teams have in season and post season surgeries"? Don't answer this because the exact number is really not that important. Can we say a substantial number? Even if it's 3 players off each team (a reasonable assumption) then that's 1% of the league. If we include arthroscopic surgeries then this number at least doubles.

Now the biggee . . . "How many of these are career ending injuries"? I'd say a micro portion of those.

Once more, an attempt to inspire logical thought processes by a series of questions:

- Why do many bring up Tyron's Smith neck injury and use his past 2-3 seasons as a measuring stick to project him missing multiple games? Hasn't his injured neck been surgically repaired which in theory has alleviated the injury that plagued him for several seasons? Lastly, how can you now say he'll miss multiple games (which he might) because he did in 2017-2020 due to the neck if it's surgically repaired? He had no other body region/part causing him problems. Think about this.


- Then comes Dak's injury. A fracture. If anything in our body repairs itself well it's our bony/skeletal structure. Especially with titanium pieces and screws placed along the fracture to maintain stability. Why then is there the drama "can Dak still play?" "Will he be as good?" "Will he be 100%?" C'mon folks, its a bony fracture. I'd venture to say over half of you have broken long bones . . . wrists, ankles, fingers. As long as you're not 80-90 years old ( a bow to our long suffering fans that were used to Cowboy excellency) and leaching calcium and phosphorus from your bones you can pretty much expect 110% healing. So can anyone logically expect Dak to not heal? (Granted the potential bone infection was concerning as that can interfere with the healing process but that too is supposedly fixed).


Lastly, there's La'el Collins. This is potentially a lingering type injury with his huge mass and it being a lower joint (hip) but none of us are sure what happened with him and what was repaired. We'll have to wait on him to see how he does but theoretically he went through the process of surgery and rehab so the problem was worked on by what should be one of the nation's foremost orthopedic surgeons. What's the % chance it's not corrected?

So, all these "so&so is injured and thus washed up" posts and threads are just drama until they retire or September rolls around and we can evaluate their performances ourselves. (LVE is another ). This is just speculations and I can guarantee you none of us are inside the loop with the team, doctors, and injured players undergoing their treatments. Everyone of us are going to have to wait this out . . . ALL of us ! *sigh*


There are no cliff notes. I'm going back into my hole now ! Patience my Cowboy brothers and sisters. The Draft is nigh ! Camp can't start soon enough.

Let's Go Cowboys ! (yeah, I'm a rah-rah fan)

 

[jazzcat22]

Because it is the nature of 90% on here posting to be negative toward 90% of any news, no matter how good it is.
So fault will be found....coming soon, to a post near you.....

I agree, and it has been reported all are coming along great in their rehab, and are on or ahead of schedule. And expected to be ready for OTA's. However, I bet as a precaution, it will be more like mini camp. That is not being negative, it is just what they do team wise.

I go by, they have had a long time to heal and will be ready.

 

[JoeKing]

The Cowboys, especially since McCarthy has come on board, are stingy with specific information about anything. Occasionally the Jones boys get diarrhea of the mouth with the information they should just shut up about but for the most part, they don't volunteer information. Injuries fall in this category. This causes a great deal of speculation from the media and consternation from fans by not knowing specifics on certain player's health.

 

[DasTex]

Even if healthy, last season was going to be hard to succeed given the coaching changes, Mike Nolan and Covid limitations. I consider it a wash and a positive that the Oline had a year to heal.

Now with a offseason, a fresh Oline that hopefully is ready to go and a vibranium leg for Dak...we should be ready to roll!!

 

[fivetwos]

OK, I get it. The draft is coming up. We're bored especially after the "Pay the QB/ Dak's a bum" winter we all endured (which I tried with all my heart to avoid) has come to a minor interruption (for most).

Now that the crust of the draft is upon us there's other sideline drama queen (or drama king) snipets and threads all the time.

So here's a question or scenario situation to consider throughout modern pro football history: "How many players, off of all 32 teams have in season and post season surgeries"? Don't answer this because the exact number is really not that important. Can we say a substantial number? Even if it's 3 players off each team (a reasonable assumption) then that's 1% of the league. If we include arthroscopic surgeries then this number at least doubles.

Now the biggee . . . "How many of these are career ending injuries"? I'd say a micro portion of those.

Once more, an attempt to inspire logical thought processes by a series of questions:

- Why do many bring up Tyron's Smith neck injury and use his past 2-3 seasons as a measuring stick to project him missing multiple games? Hasn't his injured neck been surgically repaired which in theory has alleviated the injury that plagued him for several seasons? Lastly, how can you now say he'll miss multiple games (which he might) because he did in 2017-2020 due to the neck if it's surgically repaired? He had no other body region/part causing him problems. Think about this.


- Then comes Dak's injury. A fracture. If anything in our body repairs itself well it's our bony/skeletal structure. Especially with titanium pieces and screws placed along the fracture to maintain stability. Why then is there the drama "can Dak still play?" "Will he be as good?" "Will he be 100%?" C'mon folks, its a bony fracture. I'd venture to say over half of you have broken long bones . . . wrists, ankles, fingers. As long as you're not 80-90 years old ( a bow to our long suffering fans that were used to Cowboy excellency) and leaching calcium and phosphorus from your bones you can pretty much expect 110% healing. So can anyone logically expect Dak to not heal? (Granted the potential bone infection was concerning as that can interfere with the healing process but that too is supposedly fixed).


Lastly, there's La'el Collins. This is potentially a lingering type injury with his huge mass and it being a lower joint (hip) but none of us are sure what happened with him and what was repaired. We'll have to wait on him to see how he does but theoretically he went through the process of surgery and rehab so the problem was worked on by what should be one of the nation's foremost orthopedic surgeons. What's the % chance it's not corrected?

So, all these "so&so is injured and thus washed up" posts and threads are just drama until they retire or September rolls around and we can evaluate their performances ourselves. (LVE is another ). This is just speculations and I can guarantee you none of us are inside the loop with the team, doctors, and injured players undergoing their treatments. Everyone of us are going to have to wait this out . . . ALL of us ! *sigh*


There are no cliff notes. I'm going back into my hole now ! Patience my Cowboy brothers and sisters. The Draft is nigh ! Camp can't start soon enough.

Let's Go Cowboys ! (yeah, I'm a rah-rah fan)

All good points and nice post....

But here's the answer.....

We all know from experience, especially us older folks, that any part of your body that was once injured in any type of way is now much more prone to the same happening again, surgically repaired or not.

Players aren't robots and the real thing isn't a video game

The game is much more human than fans tend to think.

 

[jazzcat22]

The Cowboys, especially since McCarthy has come on board, are stingy with specific information about anything. Occasionally the Jones boys get diarrhea of the mouth with the information they should just shut up about but for the most part, they don't volunteer information. Injuries fall in this category. This causes a great deal of speculation from the media and consternation from fans by not knowing specifics on certain player's health.

Why should they offer any information, they are not obligated to do so. I wish they were more truthful at times though, so I know what you are saying.
You think they are stingy with it now, then what hell were they with Garrett, it was even less info, as all we got was...day to day...

 

[Doomsday101]

I don't see where the Cowboys should do more than the rules allow. Cowboys report injuries as NFL requires giving out any more than that I see no need.

 

[JoeKing]

Why should they offer any information, they are not obligated to do so. I wish they were more truthful at times though, so I know what you are saying.
You think they are stingy with it now, then what hell were they with Garrett, it was even less info, as all we got was...day to day...

Look at training camp last season just as an example. It was closed to the public and minimum information fed to the media.

 

[Doomsday101]

Look at training camp last season just as an example. It was closed to the public and minimum information fed to the media.

Yes as most camps where in because of Covid Protocol. Cowboys were not letting in reporters nor were many other teams.

 

[JoeKing]

Yes as most camps where in because of Covid Protocol. Cowboys were not letting in reporters nor were many other teams.

As the rules have loosened up for Covid, the rules concerning sharing information by the public affairs office have not.

 

[jazzcat22]

Look at training camp last season just as an example. It was closed to the public and minimum information fed to the media.

Jerry said Oxnard is a go this year, and California is about to reopen everything up, if they have not done so already. But will TC be 100% open. It should be at least to the media, more so than the public. As the public may be limited.

I was at the Rangers game in Arlington Sunday. Though they had a requirement for masks unless eating or drinking. 90% did not have on masks, they removed them once inside, and no one was asking for people to wear them. A stadium worker, told me, no one is enforcing masks.
So I would think it would be the same around the country, or eventually will be. So I expect a pretty good crowd at TC.

Therefore a lot more info than last year.

 

[JoeKing]

Jerry said Oxnard is a go this year, and California is about to reopen everything up, if they have not done so already. But will TC be 100% open. It should be at least to the media, more so than the public. As the public may be limited.

I was at the Rangers game in Arlington Sunday. Though they had a requirement for masks unless eating or drinking. 90% did not have on masks, they removed them once inside, and no one was asking for people to wear them. A stadium worker, told me, no one is enforcing masks.
So I would think it would be the same around the country, or eventually will be. So I expect a pretty good crowd at TC.

Therefore a lot more info than last year.

I like all of that. I still don't see much information worth a damn coming from McCarthy and his staff. I don't see that changing once TC gets here.

 

[Doomsday101]

As the rules have loosened up for Covid, the rules concerning sharing information by the public affairs office have not.

And? Belicheck does not hand out info because fans what to know. Dallas follows the NFL rules as required beyond that why hand out any information? As for last year which you referred to most teams limited the media and they were not allowed to view much of the practice because teams were under strict order of limit players from beyond the bubble of the team and even much of the meetings were done virtual.

 

[BourbonBalz]

OK, I get it. The draft is coming up. We're bored especially after the "Pay the QB/ Dak's a bum" winter we all endured (which I tried with all my heart to avoid) has come to a minor interruption (for most).

Now that the crust of the draft is upon us there's other sideline drama queen (or drama king) snipets and threads all the time.

So here's a question or scenario situation to consider throughout modern pro football history: "How many players, off of all 32 teams have in season and post season surgeries"? Don't answer this because the exact number is really not that important. Can we say a substantial number? Even if it's 3 players off each team (a reasonable assumption) then that's 1% of the league. If we include arthroscopic surgeries then this number at least doubles.

Now the biggee . . . "How many of these are career ending injuries"? I'd say a micro portion of those.

Once more, an attempt to inspire logical thought processes by a series of questions:

- Why do many bring up Tyron's Smith neck injury and use his past 2-3 seasons as a measuring stick to project him missing multiple games? Hasn't his injured neck been surgically repaired which in theory has alleviated the injury that plagued him for several seasons? Lastly, how can you now say he'll miss multiple games (which he might) because he did in 2017-2020 due to the neck if it's surgically repaired? He had no other body region/part causing him problems. Think about this.


- Then comes Dak's injury. A fracture. If anything in our body repairs itself well it's our bony/skeletal structure. Especially with titanium pieces and screws placed along the fracture to maintain stability. Why then is there the drama "can Dak still play?" "Will he be as good?" "Will he be 100%?" C'mon folks, its a bony fracture. I'd venture to say over half of you have broken long bones . . . wrists, ankles, fingers. As long as you're not 80-90 years old ( a bow to our long suffering fans that were used to Cowboy excellency) and leaching calcium and phosphorus from your bones you can pretty much expect 110% healing. So can anyone logically expect Dak to not heal? (Granted the potential bone infection was concerning as that can interfere with the healing process but that too is supposedly fixed).


Lastly, there's La'el Collins. This is potentially a lingering type injury with his huge mass and it being a lower joint (hip) but none of us are sure what happened with him and what was repaired. We'll have to wait on him to see how he does but theoretically he went through the process of surgery and rehab so the problem was worked on by what should be one of the nation's foremost orthopedic surgeons. What's the % chance it's not corrected?

So, all these "so&so is injured and thus washed up" posts and threads are just drama until they retire or September rolls around and we can evaluate their performances ourselves. (LVE is another ). This is just speculations and I can guarantee you none of us are inside the loop with the team, doctors, and injured players undergoing their treatments. Everyone of us are going to have to wait this out . . . ALL of us ! *sigh*


There are no cliff notes. I'm going back into my hole now ! Patience my Cowboy brothers and sisters. The Draft is nigh ! Camp can't start soon enough.

Let's Go Cowboys ! (yeah, I'm a rah-rah fan)

The problem is you’re not a panic button pusher like many on here. How dare you take a practical wait and see approach. That’s frowned upon here.

 

[JoeKing]

And? Belicheck does not hand out info because fans what to know. Dallas follows the NFL rules as required beyond that why hand out any information? As for last year which you referred to most teams limited the media and they were not allowed to view much of the practice because teams were under strict order of limit players from beyond the bubble of the team and even much of the meetings were done virtual.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's a good policy to keep info in-house. But it will foster wild rumors from the media and alarm from fans when it comes to injuries.

 

[jazzcat22]

I like all of that. I still don't see much information worth a damn coming from McCarthy and his staff. I don't see that changing once TC gets here.

You are probably right. But with the covid protocols last year, I wonder if this year it will be a little different. But yeah, doubt it. will just have to wait to see.
I got so I don't listen to all the PC's as really not much info comes out. Especially since there is a recap on here.
I stopped listening to them as I could not take listening to robot Garrett saying the same things over and over.

It's a process
Day to Day (on any injury)

Was not worth my time. Maybe I will listen to a few this year to see, as we need any news right now.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm not saying it's a bad thing. It's a good policy to keep info in-house. But it will foster wild rumors from the media and alarm from fans when it comes to injuries.

It fosters outside rumors which has no bearing on what is taking place behind closed doors. Last thing Cowboys or the staff should be concerned about are outside BS. Go out and win, as Jimmy said winning cures all. Funny thing is even when McCarthy comments on injuries many blow it off so he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. couple of weeks ago McCarthy gave a presser and commented on Smith and Collins yet it did not satisfy many here and they just give their own story.

 

[JoeKing]

It fosters outside rumors which has no bearing on what is taking place behind closed doors. Last thing Cowboys or the staff should be concerned about are outside BS. Go out and win, as Jimmy said winning cures all. Funny thing is even when McCarthy comments on injuries many blow it off so he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. couple of weeks ago McCarthy gave a presser and commented on Smith and Collins yet it did not satisfy many here and they just give their own story.

CZ is "outside". Concede that and we will be in agreement.

 

[Doomsday101]

CZ is "outside". Concede that and we will be in agreement.

CZ is outside, This is a message board for fans has no bearing at all on the team.

 

[JoeKing]

CZ is outside, This is a message board for fans has no bearing at all on the team.

You keep hammering on points that I never said anything about to the contrary.