Tebow

[kskboys]

........ and won a playoff game on a game winning TD throw..... don't forget that. I'm not saying he wasn't a bust. But guys like Josh Rosen and Paxton Lynch, are bigger busts.

He did. Tebow's deep ball is pretty much his only strength as a thrower.

If we're agreeing he was bust, yup, we good

 

[Batman1980]

He did. Tebow's deep ball is pretty much his only strength as a thrower.

If we're agreeing he was bust, yup, we good

I never understood the near fanatical fanbase he had over the course of his career who seemed to believe he was a HOF player who just never got a real chance in the NFL. I admit I'm not as savvy when it comes to football as a lot of fans are but even I could tell with my own eyes and by reading stats that he's a mediocre (at best ) player whose one good season was propped up by luck and fantastic defensive play. A quarterback running on fumes and a random bum both came in right after he failed to get it done in Denver and led them to a Super Bowl, then Tebow had to retire. What more is there to say, really? He never had the arm talent or psychological prerequisites to succeed at quarterback after he left Florida.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Didn't take long, did it?

Again with the Dak hate on Cowboyszone. This is getting old really f******* quick.

Well it doesn't matter who the qb is - even Aikman got criticized during the SB winning years, and even more so after that, for not throwing enough td passes, too many ints, etc.

Even if Dak wins a SB, then some will say it's only because he "had All Pros all around him".

It's already gotten old, but, my friend, it's never going away. Whoever replaces Dak will get similar treatment...

 

[Manwiththeplan]

He did. Tebow's deep ball is pretty much his only strength as a thrower.

If we're agreeing he was bust, yup, we good

it wasn’t a deep pass…was probably 70 yards after catch by Thomas

 

[chagus]

Well it doesn't matter who the qb is - even Aikman got criticized during the SB winning years, and even more so after that, for not throwing enough td passes, too many ints, etc.

Even if Dak wins a SB, then some will say it's only because he "had All Pros all around him".

It's already gotten old, but, my friend, it's never going away. Whoever replaces Dak will get similar treatment...

I was thinking it would all go away when Romo was out. Nope. Like you said, it just simply transferred to the next QB.

 

[Flamma]

Didn't take long, did it?

Again with the Dak hate on Cowboyszone. This is getting old really f******* quick.

I wouldn't worry about it. He has every chance possible to prove people wrong. Football is a huge team sport, everyone needs help from their teammates. No offensive line, no QB is good. Great offensive line and defense, all QBs are good. You can never please everyone. It's not like a pitcher where you can say, he has a 2.5 ERA, yeah he's good.

 

[kskboys]

it wasn’t a deep pass…was probably 70 yards after catch by Thomas

Seems to me that it was around a 30-40 yd pass, but I'm not interesting in arguing semantics, so how about if I just say a medium/deeper pass? Fact remains, tho, Tebow threw a great deepER ball. Couldn't do much of anything else as a QB except run for short gains up the middle and hand the ball off, but he threw longer passes well.

Just watched it. 20 yard pass. You're right about that. Medium pass, but for some reason PITT was playing everyone up. No one deep. Very strange D alignment.

 

[RonnieT24]

I never understood the near fanatical fanbase he had over the course of his career who seemed to believe he was a HOF player who just never got a real chance in the NFL. I admit I'm not as savvy when it comes to football as a lot of fans are but even I could tell with my own eyes and by reading stats that he's a mediocre (at best ) player whose one good season was propped up by luck and fantastic defensive play. A quarterback running on fumes and a random bum both came in right after he failed to get it done in Denver and led them to a Super Bowl, then Tebow had to retire. What more is there to say, really? He never had the arm talent or psychological prerequisites to succeed at quarterback after he left Florida.

Huh? Which psychological prerequisites were those? He was a smart kid.. I believe he graduated from Florida in three years.. He was very tough mentally, no doubt owing to his tremendous faith in God. He was very careful with the ball, pretty much would always rather run for 8 yards than throw the ball into traffic. I don't know how people would have a problem with that. Tebow absolutely was not an NFL level passer entering the league. But that surprised absolutely no one. What he needed was time to get there. Time to hone his mechanics and time to learn how to read NFL defenses and put NFL route combinations together in his head and do it inside of 3 seconds. Had Kyle Orton just not completely stunk up the joint he would have gotten that time. No one was expecting Tebow to come in to the league throwing for 5000 yards and 35 TDs annually. It's even more impressive that he was able to inspire that team to recover from a 1-4 start with Orton and make the playoffs. No he didn't do it with his arm.. He did it mainly with his legs and of course his inspirational leadership. Nobody ever claimed he was a HOF player. But while he may have been a mediocre (at best) passer he was absolutely not a mediocre player. Just because people didn't think the style he played could succeed long term in the NFL does not detract from the fact that for that stretch of games it absolutely did. The team was better with Peyton Manning.. wow.. there were about 30 teams that would have been better with Peyton Manning, who you say was "running on fumes?" In his first three seasons in Denver Manning threw for over 14,000 yards and 131 TDs including records 5477 yards and 55 TD in 2013. You clearly have a different definition of "running on fumes" than I do. It's fair to criticize Tebow's passing prowess or lack thereof, but you don't need to misrepresent the facts in doing so.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Seems to me that it was around a 30-40 yd pass, but I'm not interesting in arguing semantics, so how about if I just say a medium/deeper pass?

Well objectively, it wasn't. The line of scrimmage was the 20 and it was caught at the 37, so it was *less* than 20 yards down field. It was good 17 yard throw and an amazing 63 yard run by the WR

 

[Batman1980]

Huh? Which psychological prerequisites were those? He was a smart kid.. I believe he graduated from Florida in three years.. He was very tough mentally, no doubt owing to his tremendous faith in God. He was very careful with the ball, pretty much would always rather run for 8 yards than throw the ball into traffic. I don't know how people would have a problem with that. Tebow absolutely was not an NFL level passer entering the league. But that surprised absolutely no one. What he needed was time to get there. Time to hone his mechanics and time to learn how to read NFL defenses and put NFL route combinations together in his head and do it inside of 3 seconds. Had Kyle Orton just not completely stunk up the joint he would have gotten that time. No one was expecting Tebow to come in to the league throwing for 5000 yards and 35 TDs annually. It's even more impressive that he was able to inspire that team to recover from a 1-4 start with Orton and make the playoffs. No he didn't do it with his arm.. He did it mainly with his legs and of course his inspirational leadership. Nobody ever claimed he was a HOF player. But while he may have been a mediocre (at best) passer he was absolutely not a mediocre player. Just because people didn't think the style he played could succeed long term in the NFL does not detract from the fact that for that stretch of games it absolutely did. The team was better with Peyton Manning.. wow.. there were about 30 teams that would have been better with Peyton Manning, who you say was "running on fumes?" In his first three seasons in Denver Manning threw for over 14,000 yards and 131 TDs including records 5477 yards and 55 TD in 2013. You clearly have a different definition of "running on fumes" than I do. It's fair to criticize Tebow's passing prowess or lack thereof, but you don't need to misrepresent the facts in doing so.

Manning was a shell of his HOF self from Indy when he won the Super Bowl. Psychological prerequisites? Exactly what you said. Quarterbacks have to be able to take the snap, drop back from center, survey the field and then either get the ball to a receiver or run for yardage.

 

[RonnieT24]

Manning was a shell of his HOF self from Indy when he won the Super Bowl. Psychological prerequisites? Exactly what you said. Quarterbacks have to be able to take the snap, drop back from center, survey the field and then either get the ball to a receiver or run for yardage.

Yes he was.. but that was four years after Tebow's run.. not "right after." He threw 92 TDs over the next two seasons and set two NFL records (yards and TDs) in year two. He got dinged up in the Super Bowl year and his arm abandoned him. But those first three years in Denver were some of the best QB play the NFL has ever seen. And there is nothing "psychological" about taking the snap, dropping back, throwing to a receiver or running. Those are all physical acts. Is that what you meant? Was this a typo? Tebow's footwork and throwing mechanics needed refinement when he came into the league and he needed to develop the ability to read NFL defenses. He was far from the first young QB to fit that description. What made him different was that he was able to win some games while he figured the other stuff out by simply being a good football player and great inspirational leader. There is no shame in winning games in the NFL no matter how ugly it looks. People often overlook the fact that the same "amazing defense" that "carried Tebow" could not "carry" Kyle Orton who by any objective measure was 3 times the passer Tim Tebow was.. He just sucked as a football player.. and apparently as a teammate which he would show in his time in Dallas.

What happened to Tebow was unfortunate because I really think he could have had a decent career had things been allowed to play out according to the plan they had when they drafted him. Sit, learn, get better as a thrower, come in every once in a while and do some Wildcat .. Then maybe take over as the starter in year 3 or 4. Or maybe he would have spent his entire career as a Taysom Hill type.. I don't know.. I just know that starting before he was ready pretty much doomed him.. He would have been better off losing out that year and showing he wasn't ready so that Denver could have stashed him on the bench for 2 more years and let him sit behind Manning.

 

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