Terence Newman

[LatinMind]

Ill say it over and over. Newman needs to be moved to FS.

 

[jobberone]

Ill say it over and over. Newman needs to be moved to FS.

If they can replace him at CB then they may consider that move. I don't see that happening next year as it generally takes at least a year to get a rookie to play well enough at CB. My guess is it will be 2013 before they consider this as a permanent move.

Personally I'd like to see him play FS with the caveat we have a starting quality replacement for him.

 

[LatinMind]

If they can replace him at CB then they may consider that move. I don't see that happening next year as it generally takes at least a year to get a rookie to play well enough at CB. My guess is it will be 2013 before they consider this as a permanent move.

Personally I'd like to see him play FS with the caveat we have a starting quality replacement for him.

Sign Champ

 

[hammer1]

I've heard from someone that has ties close to the organization that Newman quit on Campo over a season ago.

Problem with doing that is you quit on yourself and your team too. I don't buy it. Newman has never been what he was billed to be coming out of KS.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Ill say it over and over. Newman needs to be moved to FS.

.. then you'll sound like a fool over and over.

Its painfully obvious to anyone who has been paying attention that Newman is FAR worse in zone coverage than he is man to man.

Now you want to move him to a position where he's basically playing a zone every down? The role he's playing now in zone defense has him trying to defend an area of the field while he's able to sit back and read things in front of him and look at the QB.. basically the same thing he'd be doing as a FS. He sucks at it, to put it nicely.

He hasn't played well all year, but when we were going man to man and he had his back to the QB and was simply playing a guy one on one he wasn't nearly as bad as he has been since we switched to zone. If we've learned anything from the switch in defensive scheme it should be that Newman would not fare well at safety.

 

[jobberone]

.. then you'll sound like a fool over and over.

Its painfully obvious to anyone who has been paying attention that Newman is FAR worse in zone coverage than he is man to man.

Now you want to move him to a position where he's basically playing a zone every down? The role he's playing now in zone defense has him trying to defend an area of the field while he's able to sit back and read things in front of him and look at the QB.. basically the same thing he'd be doing as a FS. He sucks at it, to put it nicely.

He hasn't played well all year, but when we were going man to man and he had his back to the QB and was simply playing a guy one on one he wasn't nearly as bad as he has been since we switched to zone. If we've learned anything from the switch in defensive scheme it should be that Newman would not fare well at safety.

You can't possibly know this. First of all Newman has been hurt since before the change to more zone defense. You can't evaluate a CB who is playing on an injured ankle and can't run well. And fans have little idea what is going on in the secondary most of the time watching via TV. Sure you can tell when its a simple fly pattern etc and the CB gets beat.

Newman is playing subpar because he is injured. I don't know how well he'll play in a zone and I'm not going to try until he goes thru a TC with hopefully his new coaches and an improved pass rush.

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

A very good corner that gets a lot of undue criticism.

I think your being very nice, he's an above average cornerback.

Ill say it over and over. Newman needs to be moved to FS.

Lol are you serious? He'll be 10x worse as a safety then he is a CB. We need a ballhawk/playmaker @ FS Newman never has been that and certaintly isn't now.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

It's hard to criticize a guy who has NOT missed a game due to injury this year, he's fought through it... I still got mad love for T-Newman!

 

[RoyTheHammer]

You can't possibly know this. First of all Newman has been hurt since before the change to more zone defense. You can't evaluate a CB who is playing on an injured ankle and can't run well. And fans have little idea what is going on in the secondary most of the time watching via TV. Sure you can tell when its a simple fly pattern etc and the CB gets beat.

Newman is playing subpar because he is injured. I don't know how well he'll play in a zone and I'm not going to try until he goes thru a TC with hopefully his new coaches and an improved pass rush.

I can't possibly know that he's not good in a zone, but you can claim to know the extent of his injuries and just how much it has affected his play on the field this year?

Ok..

 

[AdamJT13]

With his game-clinching interception Sunday, Newman is now the only cornerback in the league who has had at least three interceptions in seven of the past eight seasons.

 

[28 Joker]

I'm very confident that Terence Newman will be starting at LCB for the Cowboys next season. He's earned that right through out his eight year career. Some may say that his salary may be a little high next year, $ 8 million dollars is cheap on the blue-chip CB market. Just look up the salaries.

Moreover, Anthony Henry used to make a whole lot more money than Newman made. Yet, Terence Newman was the superior player. Yet, even back then, I read where some people thought Henry and Lito Sheppard were better. Where is Lito Sheppard now?

Furthermore, Newman was vastly underpaid for his performance from 2003-2007. The money that he will earn next year will have been earned from his past play and current value. Plus, Newman is only one year removed from a Pro Bowl season (alternate or not), where he shut down DeSean Jackson three straight times. Newman hasat least two prime years left, and I'm supremely confident in saying that. "People" have been trying to replace Newman since the 2007 draft due to his '"age'".

Look at Aaron Glenn from Texas A&M.

Aaron Glenn was drafted number 12 overall by the New York Jets. Glenn played 8 seasons for the New York Jets. Houston drafted Glenn in the supplemental draft of 2002. Where did Glenn go during his ninth season? Glenn went to the Pro Bowl.

Furthermore, Aaron Glenn started at CB for 11 seasons. At age 33, Glenn came to Dallas to be their nickel CB, and he did this for two seasons. Glenn was a mentor to Terence Newman, too. Terence Newman will turn 33 next September (late birthday), but it will only be his 9th season in the NFL, not his 11th or 12th.

When you are talking about a corner back the caliber of Newman, the ninth and tenth seasons are for sure prime years (IMO), all things being equal. People like to talk about Newman's chronological age, but they fail to note that Newman is only in his 8th year of play.

I remember having these debates when some called for Newman's replacement to be drafted when he was about to turn 29. They argued about his "age" or stated that "he's not that good", but theyfailed to account for the way that he is physically built, they way that he takes care of himself and trains, the quality of player that he is, his athletic ability, and the his number of years played.

Since then, Terence Newman has gone to the Pro Bowl at age 29 (fifth year) and 31 (seventh year). If "some" had their way, he wouldn't have even been on the team to make those Pro Bowls. Many of the "same critics" were really ready to get rid of him after the 2008 season, despite his very good play after returning from his first serious injury. There is statistical evidence that shows how much significantly better Dallas' defense performed when Newman returned healthy that season. Plus, all you had to do was watch the games. One example, Newman took Santana Moss all over the field, for the second time, and shut him completely down (again) and made two of the biggest plays of the divisional game.

Nevertheless, the Holmes play in Pittsburgh was a cherry picked "battle cry" from the anti-Newman minority. Never mind that Holmes was held in check for the rest of the game, and the Steelers didn't score on that drive.,

Newman was rated a top 5 CB before the 2009 season started and went to the Pro Bowl that season.

So, once again, Newman's name is once again topic for "discussion" on a defense that has under-performed across the board; just take heed.

Terence Newman will start at LCB for the Dallas Cowboys next year. I'm supremely confident in saying that. Newman has at least two prime years left for sure, imso. In times of crisis, you don't cut one of your very best players, especially when he is still in his prime. Newman is going to allow Dallas to address the poor safety play and defensive line and poor offensive line play.

A CB can be drafted (in 2011 or 2012) and groomed for at least the next two seasons, imso. The Packers acquired a player (Tramon Williams) who wasn't even drafted in 2006, and he basically became a starter in 2009. He is a full time starter now. They just signed him to a new contract

The talk to Newman to FS now is ridiculous, with all due respect. Newman is a blue-chip, pure cover CB. He's not a safety. I could see him moving into nickel CB duty down the road, but Newman isn't there at this point, imso.


Here is another name to ponder:

Walt Harris made the Pro Bowl in his 11th year. He was 32. Again, Newman has only played 8 years, not 12. Newman doesn't have the wear and tear of a player who has played more than 11 or 12 years. If Newman can continue to keep his head and legs healthy, he's going to probably shoot to play at least 12 seasons. Like I stated, his 9th and 10th years are going to be prime years, imso. Newman will play at 33 and 34, respectively. Plus, he has a late birthday.

In closing, there are some big names on this team who have a very, very good chance to be gone, but Terence Newman is going no where in 2011. I'm supremely confident when I state that.

This defense has struggled across the board, and the safeties and defensive line will be addressed, imso. Jay Ratliff has been pushed around this year, and it hasn't always been a double team, either (see the Eagles game). I'll say this for Ratliff and Ware, the DEs on this team have not helped their cause. Mike Jenkins has struggled with his technique, but I think that he can bounce back. He has been victimized by poor safety play, too. I've seen him play lights out once. If you do it once, you can do it again. Jenkins' play is getting better down the stretch. Terence Newman also provides guidance and leadership for Jenkins.

Also, Anthony Spencer has not performed up to his 2009 season. He's played better down the stretch. Igor Olshansky and Keith Brooking have been pushed around and exploited in coverage. The safety play has been very erratic, and it has hurt both CBs all season long, both safeties. There have been some games where DeMarcus Ware was quiet. However, I know that he's still had a good year, especially when you consider the overall current state of the defense.

 

[28 Joker]

With his game-clinching interception Sunday, Newman is now the only cornerback in the league who has had at least three interceptions in seven of the past eight seasons.

Great stat on Newman. Newman is a consistent, steady player.

Some of these same "critics" who always point to his interception total and criticise him for "not having enough" interceptions, are the very first people to jump on him when he gambles to get one and guesses wrong.

Plus, Newman didn't get an interception in the three games where he completley shut down DeSean Jackson last year. However, Jackson didn't get his 210 yards, either. They always seem to forget the coverage part to the equation.

 

[KJJ]

Your stand on this makes me think you are trolling because no one in their right mind could fail to understand why he's not playing well.

Because my stand differs from yours that makes me a troll who's not in their right mind? With your line of thinking that makes at least 90% of the board look like trolls who aren't in their right mind. At least I'm not alone. LOL

We also understand he's injured and trying to play CB on a bad wheel.

That's the number one excuse the Newman apologists keep using. Desean Jackson also had a bad wheel a couple of weeks ago. He was limping around and a few plays later took a short pass 91 yards for a TD.

Dez played on 2 bad wheels this season and had a rib injury but still ran past defenders making plays at receiver and as a returner.

Just about every player out there has something hurting the Cowboys wouldn't be playing Newman if he was as injured as some of you are trying to make it sound. Those are nothing more than excuses!

The problem here is not having someone to take his place. He shouldn't be trying to play CB. It's quite obvious he can't keep up. The reason they put a substandard player on the field is because he's still the best person for the job. That's a sad fact. We didn't keep enough decent CBs on the team this year. The position was badly played.

You just said Newman is getting beat far too often and that he's slower than in the past now you're saying he's a substandard player but here you are defending him and criticizing those who are critical of his play.

You're saying exactly what most fans here are saying about him so what's your beef?

Alot of teams are forced to play substandard players because that's the best they have at a particular position and most of those teams are struggling just like the Cowboys.

The Cowboys are playing several substandard players and these players need to be replaced with better players during the offseason or this team will continue struggling.

Combine the fact we are not getting adequate pressure on the QB along with substandard CB and S play and you get a defense that gives up 30 points a game and can't stop anyone.

The Cowboys have gotten some pressure this season but their coverage is so pathetic receivers are able to get open quickly.

We have players who make numerous mistakes in coverage and leave receivers wide open.

We just allowed Rex Grossman of all QB's to throw for over 300 yards for only the second time in his career and he produced 4 TD passes. Several of us here could probably complete a pass against our defense.

The Cowboys are on the brink of setting a franchise futility record for total points allowed in a season and most of those points have come through the air.

I don't see anyone putting all the blame on Newman but he's clearly part of the problem.

This is really simple and it mystifies me why people can't see it clearly.

Most everyone who's given their opinion on Newman sees it clearly even you're agreeing with most of what everyone is saying. You said he's slowing down that's a big part of his problem. If he makes even the slightest mistake receivers run right by him.

The Eagles entered the game 2 weeks ago looking to attack him because he's been beaten alot this season. Teams are targeting him now and this wasn't the case a few years ago.

 

[28 Joker]

I have cited multiple NFL sources or evidence that puts Terence Newman among the top 5 CBs in the NFL. I've put these sources up numerous times. They are dated from 2009 and 2010. Another NFL source rated Newman and Jenkins among the top 5 CB duos in the NFL. Furthermore, another NFL source rated Newman the second best CB remaining in the 2009 Playoffs, only behind Revis. AdamJT13 has intimate knowledge of the statistical measures that go into rating a top caliber corner back. Rafael Vela (via Joyner) has used statistical analysis to document Newman's stellar, consistent play at CB from 2004 to 2007.

The New York Giants didn't cut Corey Webster last year when their entire secondary and defense was in complete shambles. They added multiple safeties and defensive linemen to get more pass rush and hired a new defensive coordinator. Webster's base salary will be $ 8 million dollars in 2011, the same as Newman's base salary in 2011. $ 8 million dollars for a blue-chip CB is a bargain.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I have cited multiple NFL sources or evidence that puts Terence Newman among the top 5 CBs in the NFL. I've put these sources up numerous times. They are dated from 2009 and 2010. Another NFL source rated Newman and Jenkins among the top 5 CB duos in the NFL. Furthermore, another NFL source rated Newman the second best CB remaining in the 2009 Playoffs, only behind Revis. AdamJT13 has intimate knowledge of the statistical measures that go into rating a top caliber corner back. Rafael Vela (via Joyner) has used statistical analysis to document Newman's stellar, consistent play at CB from 2004 to 2007.

The New York Giants didn't cut Corey Webster last year when their entire secondary and defense was in complete shambles. They added multiple safeties and defensive linemen to get more pass rush and hired a new defensive coordinator. Webster's base salary will be $ 8 million dollars in 2011, the same as Newman's base salary in 2011. $ 8 million dollars for a blue-chip CB is a bargain.

Dudeeee.. Newman is NOT a top 5 CB in this league right now. Period.

Enough already with you referencing bloggers and forum posters as evidence. Its comical.

.. and do you even know what the term "blue chip" means?

Sheesh..

 

[28 Joker]

DeSean Jackson hurt his foot after the first play of the game.

KJJ and some others,

You all state that "Newman has slowed down", but you fail to acknowledge that Jackson was accelerating while Newman was caught in transition on that play. Just watch the play, or read Broaddus' analysis on that play. That was the difference on the play. Jackson had 210 yards, and 60 were on the first play. Andy Reid bragged about wanting to target Newman, but he went after him deep one time, and they never were able to get him deep again, the entire game. Plus, the Eagles had the perfect call on for that defense, and Vick had all day long to camp and throw. When Newman took Jackson man to man all over the field, Jackson was shut down three straight times.

Robert Meachem is one of the most explosive receivers in the NFL. He gained 1 yard of separation at the Dallas 45. The safety failed to protect his CB over the top, after the CB was past the 15 yard area of that specific coverage. NFL Playbook documented this fact and focused their entire analysis on critiquing Alan Ball. Plus, that play and possession should have never happened to begin with. Roy E. Williams let a fading, tired Saints defense of the "hook'em" when he didn't protect the game that was literally in his hands. He failed to execute the breast play and show a killer instinct. He's in Leon Lett territory, except Lett was a very good DT for some time.

Furthermore, you fail to acknowledge that the Saints run their WRs in and out to keep them fresh. (Meachem, Henderson, and # 16) Dallas' defense had to go back onto the field, on a short week, at the end of the game, when it looked like the game was going to be over. The Saints' defense was done, but the poor football security gave Drew Brees a free at bat.

In fact, it sure looks like Dallas should have drafted Meachem, instead, they gave Roy E. Williams a ridiculous contract and sold the farm to get him, too.

Newman stated that he guessed wrong on the big play yesterday. Johnston (Moose) stated that "Newman came out of his break late" on that play. If you think the ball is going elsewhere, that might cause you to appear to come out of your break late. Newman thought the ball was going in another direction. That has nothing to do with his speed. Newman caught up to that play by the way. His angle took him further than the ball traveled, but the ball was short.

Newman stated that they ran the same play at the end of the game, and he guessed right when they ran it again. The result was another huge interception against the hated Commanders.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

OMG.. this is great lol.

 

[jobberone]

I can't possibly know that he's not good in a zone, but you can claim to know the extent of his injuries and just how much it has affected his play on the field this year?

Ok..

I didn't devine the extent of his injuries pal. It's been reported wide and far.

Furthermore what's more logical? He suddenly lost a step or he's running slower than normal because he's running on an injured ankle? He's also playing with bruised ribs which may very well be a more debilitating injury.

I'm not a huge Newman fan. IMO, he's slightly underperformed his entire career considering his huge athletic talents. I don't think he's gotten enough turnovers either. I still recognize he's been in the top ten for most of his career and has been a well above average to superior CB in this league for some time.

His injuries are a known fact. If you were more reasonable and had less of an agenda you would be far closer to my opinion on this than what you are.

Your agenda is in plain sight for all to see. I could say other things but propriety denies it.

 

[Randy White]

how many more times Newman needs to be toasted for some people to realize that he's done. The getting beat is not the problem because every CB gets beat, however, only the good ones make those moments rare. In Newman's case, however, It's been a constant through most of the year. Wether it's man to man, or zone, the guy doesn't have it anymore. It happens to all 'em sooner or later.

 

[30yrheel]

newman has rarely played up to his potential/draft position in his entire career.
so we shouldn't be acting like it's all of a sudden he's gone downhill.
the one thing i like about him is that he's a good tackler, but he just doesn't make enough plays on the ball. he's always close, but not close enough.