Test results: Johnson's blood alcohol level was .072

[03EBZ06]

1) You don't ask if they did it.

2) Everyone deserves a defense, even the guilty.

What if your client just out of blue told you he did it and was guilty. He gives you a detailed information regarding that crime which he is charged with. What do you do?

 

[Twyst]

a .72 would be like 2 beers for the average person, this was blown way out of proportion IMO. Driving while drunk is bad, driving after a drink or 2 while under the legal limit is not bad IMO, Tank in his interviews seems to me to be a nice guy who has made some dumb decisions more than a guy who is a troublemaker

 

[Hostile]

a .72 would be like 2 beers for the average person, this was blown way out of proportion IMO. Driving while drunk is bad, driving after a drink or 2 while under the legal limit is not bad IMO, Tank in his interviews seems to me to be a nice guy who has made some dumb decisions more than a guy who is a troublemaker

Psst.

.072.

.72 is embalmed. Very little blood in the alcohol stream.

Oh, and in regards to the nice guy perception. I know a real nice guy. Used to call him Uncle Jimmy, even though he wasn't my uncle. Went to jail for hiring the execution of a Federal Judge.

 

[arglebargle]

Psst.

.072.

.72 is embalmed. Very little blood in the alcohol stream.

Oh, and in regards to the nice guy perception. I know a real nice guy. Used to call him Uncle Jimmy, even though he wasn't my uncle. Went to jail for hiring the execution of a Federal Judge.

Maximum John??

 

[Hostile]

Maximum John??

Yes sir, how did you know?

 

[arglebargle]

Yes sir, how did you know?

Well, only federal judge in the last half century to be shot down. But I was in Texas then as well and remember the furor. Extremism has it dangers.

Of course, I knew folks who ran Operation Phoenix in Vietnam, and were tied tightly to Iran/Contra, guns to Libya, etc....but they weren't Uncle Jimmys....

And yes, the 'nice guy' perception only goes so far. Civility and politeness are social skills, but they can mask most anything. Tank can be saying all the right things, but it appears the doing of them is still not quite there.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

What if your client just out of blue told you he did it and was guilty. He gives you a detailed information regarding that crime which he is charged with. What do you do?

doesn't matter, the lawyer always has to provide his client w/ the best defense possible, even if he knows of his client's guilt

 

[peplaw06]

Correct me if I am wrong Pep. Asking your client if they did it and not giving him a fair defense because of it is grounds for disbarment due to ethics violations.

I don't think it's a violation to ask them if they did it. It's just something most don't do. It's definitely a violation not to be a "zealous advocate" and give them the best defense possible. if you can't do that, you withdraw. So they kind of go hand in hand. If you know the guy (or girl) is guilty, it's hard to be the best advocate you can be.

What if your client just out of blue told you he did it and was guilty. He gives you a detailed information regarding that crime which he is charged with. What do you do?

If I was worried about the guy telling me whether he did it, I would tell him before hand NOT to tell me under any circumstances. If he just blurts it out, and you can't control him, you have a couple of options. You could still plea the guy out, or if you don't think you could defend him as well as is required, you could withdraw.

 

[Vintage]

It was once legal to own slaves.
It was once legal to send someone to prison for 20 years for stealing a loaf of bread.
It was once legal for a man to beat his wife or kids.
Sorry, but the "legal" excuse stinks.

Totally agree.

Grabbing a beer before heading home is on the same level as enslaving people and beating people.

And by totally agree, I mean you are out of your ****ing element.

 

[peplaw06]

It was once legal to own slaves.
It was once legal to send someone to prison for 20 years for stealing a loaf of bread.
It was once legal for a man to beat his wife or kids.
Sorry, but the "legal" excuse stinks.

Good catch vintage...

So burm are you saying it's going to be illegal to buy and/or drink alcohol someday? I think they tried that one time... can't quite remember mmmmm.... Prohibition anyone? We saw how well that worked out.

 

[burmafrd]

Whats LEGAL and whats NOT.
It does seem to move from period to period- DOESN"T IT?
Like with SMOKING. Look where that has gone in the last 20 years.
30 years ago Drunk Driving was ignored. Now its pounced on.
So your LEGAL excuses are just that- EXCUSES.
As usual with those - they refuse to answer the hard questions.
Shakespear had it right "FIRST, Kill ALL the LAWYERS"
Best line he ever wrote.

 

[burmafrd]

Most lawyers do not seem to care if they get a guilty man off so that he can victimize other innocent people. I always hope that someday those lawyers are VICTIMIZED themselves by someone another one got off. Now THAT would be JUSTICE.

 

[theogt]

Most lawyers do not seem to care if they get a guilty man off so that he can victimize other innocent people. I always hope that someday those lawyers are VICTIMIZED themselves by someone another one got off. Now THAT would be JUSTICE.

Just curious -- what do you do for a living?

 

[superpunk]

Just curious -- what do you do for a living?

Something involving statistics and random word capitalization - fo' sho'.

 

[peplaw06]

Whats LEGAL and whats NOT.
It does seem to move from period to period- DOESN"T IT?
Like with SMOKING. Look where that has gone in the last 20 years.
30 years ago Drunk Driving was ignored. Now its pounced on.
So your LEGAL excuses are just that- EXCUSES.
As usual with those - they refuse to answer the hard questions.
Shakespear had it right "FIRST, Kill ALL the LAWYERS"
Best line he ever wrote.

Most lawyers do not seem to care if they get a guilty man off so that he can victimize other innocent people. I always hope that someday those lawyers are VICTIMIZED themselves by someone another one got off. Now THAT would be JUSTICE.

First off... I really hope you've never done anything morally objectionable. Because that would be wildly hypocritical. It may have been "legal" but all that is an "excuse" for you to do it. "He who is without sin shall cast the first stone."

Secondly... I really hope you are never wrongly accused of doing anything that may cause you to face criminal charges. Your hatred and vitriole you spew towards lawyers would also bring up a bout of hypocrisy in your mind, when they're the ones getting your sorry (though innocent) butt off of whatever charges you face.

That's what you don't realize. You focus on the guilty who go innocent, while refusing to acknowledge the innocent who have gone free, or the innocent who are imprisoned. You spew the same crap every time one of these threads pops up, maybe because you felt wronged some time by an attorney, but probably moreso because someone YOU thought was guilty went free. All those wrongly accused who went free because of a lawyer be damned.

So what would be justice for you? Judging from your comments, justice would be for you to have to be rescued by a lawyer.

Here, you like quotes, how about this one. Everyone hates lawyers until they need one.

 

[Twyst]

Most lawyers do not seem to care if they get a guilty man off so that he can victimize other innocent people. I always hope that someday those lawyers are VICTIMIZED themselves by someone another one got off. Now THAT would be JUSTICE.

Everyone should have the right to have a lawyer who will fight tooth and nail for them. There wouldnt even be much need for trials if we did it any other way.

 

[peplaw06]

Everyone should have the right to have a lawyer who will fight tooth and nail for them. There wouldnt even be much need for trials if we did it any other way.

Burm doesn't care... he wants to go back to the days of lynching and witch trials.

 

[AbeBeta]

Everyone should have the right to have a lawyer who will fight tooth and nail for them. There wouldnt even be much need for trials if we did it any other way.

Interesting -- folks have the right but often not the means to do so.

 

[stealth]

Interesting -- folks have the right but often not the means to do so.

oh come on court appointed attorneys are the best kind!

 

[peplaw06]

oh come on court appointed attorneys are the best kind!

That's a pretty big misconception from what I've found also. Sure there are some horror stories about court appointed attorneys, but for the most part, they're very good attorneys. And there are probably the same kinds of horror stories for some of the ones who are paid. The two counties I've worked in, the requirements for being on the list for court-appointed attorneys are pretty stringent, at least moreso than you would think. And many of those attorneys have a lot of experience, a lot of them were prosecutors at one time.